...or has our smug and entitled society just become obsessed with sociopolitical things? We get a free ride on the backs of the 5% of our population who are farmers and the 10% who work in truly productive jobs in indusstries such as manufacturing, so we have nothing to do all day except play stupid, manipulative, hypocritical, dishonest social games; but if the farmers and producers all quit we'd starve to death instantly because, in terms of things that really matter, we've forgotten how to wipe our own butts. So if any of us is a truly productive indivvidual with a sociopolitical deficit, she doesn't get far in life because it's sociopolitical bullcrap that now determines success; but is she really supposed to feel bad about herself because her life is real and not some dissociated fantasy like the lives of all the schmoozers?
are "social problems" really problems...
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TheRealCallie
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We are more adaptable than you think. If the farmers and producers all quit, we would not starve, we would adapt to survive.
As for social problems being problems....yes, they are. Anything you struggle with, for whatever reason, or makes you feel bad is a "problem." Hell, sometimes things that make you feel good are problems.
As for social problems being problems....yes, they are. Anything you struggle with, for whatever reason, or makes you feel bad is a "problem." Hell, sometimes things that make you feel good are problems.
Part of my point is that people with a social deficit should not feel bad about it provided we do something productive such as farming or carpentry. Social situations in a psychological realm that is detached from reality, are also detached from reality, and having "problems" at trying to be detached from reality is not something to feel bad about.
In fact, I'm coming to the conclusion that the rational thing for an intelligent high school graduate to do, if she has a social deficit, is to go to trade school to learn machine operation and leave law school to the dissociated psychopats who are suitable for it.
In fact, I'm coming to the conclusion that the rational thing for an intelligent high school graduate to do, if she has a social deficit, is to go to trade school to learn machine operation and leave law school to the dissociated psychopats who are suitable for it.
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I've been thinking about this for a while now. I think you are totally right, I don't think that people had much time to sulk about imaginary problems back when they were one dry season away from starving along with their children. What is mockingly called as "First world problems" on the Internet is real and people should fret less about problems that aren't even significant most of the time.
in fact, in a sense with regards to social life the "first world" is worse off than other cultures where there might be less money but also less isolation:
in Maslow's pyramid of needs social belonging is the first after food and shelter, and can be seen as one of the fundamental human needs.
So, yes, maybe one is not dying of hunger, but they might be dying of heartbreak…
in Maslow's pyramid of needs social belonging is the first after food and shelter, and can be seen as one of the fundamental human needs.
So, yes, maybe one is not dying of hunger, but they might be dying of heartbreak…
ABrokenMan
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Maslow's pyramid is rarely discussed; perhaps because it flies in the face of accepted "pop culture" psychology spewed perpetually by gumball machine degree "doctors" like Dr. Phil...
For example - you have to love yourself before someone can love you.
Tell me.... how can that be if you are shunned, ignored, rejected, belittled, mocked, picked on in childhood (or even as an adult) for whatever reason(s)? Note that the third segment from the bottom is belongingness. If you feel like you belong, and you are accepted for who you are, self esteem and potential for love can then flourish - positive experiences are a must.
However, listen to modern day therapists, psychologists, etc. Few, if any agree with Maselow's ideology.
Maybe that's why society is so missed up.
For example - you have to love yourself before someone can love you.
Tell me.... how can that be if you are shunned, ignored, rejected, belittled, mocked, picked on in childhood (or even as an adult) for whatever reason(s)? Note that the third segment from the bottom is belongingness. If you feel like you belong, and you are accepted for who you are, self esteem and potential for love can then flourish - positive experiences are a must.
However, listen to modern day therapists, psychologists, etc. Few, if any agree with Maselow's ideology.
Maybe that's why society is so missed up.
Tealeaf
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Why bring topics like this that openly demean loneliness on a website called alonelylife.com? It's pretty well-established that lack of human contact is no first world problem; even infants and very young children will suffer negative consequences without it. No one taught them how to be whiny first world *******.
I wasn't demeaning loneliness. I was saying that people can be excessively focused on social things to the point of losing touch with reality. Our top politicians are a prime example of that. But the need for a certain amount of human contacct? We all have that, within reasonable limits.
kamya
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If the farmers quit the government would just take the farms and pay someone else to do it. If the manufacturers quit then we'll find someone in china to do it. If the truckers quit companies will pay someone else to do it.
EveWasFramed
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mickey said:
That's a pretty insulting remark to make. Do you have something against attorneys?
Also, do you not realize that farmers, manufacturers, etc all have to have support from other industries?
kamya said:
That already happened. It was called NAFTA. Well, they didn't precisely "quit" but you get my point.
kamya said:
If _all_ of the farmers quit then there would be no one left who knows _how_ to do it, so we'd be paying a bunch of incompetents to screw it up and starve us to death anyway. Or, worse yet, to learn through trial and error and poison us with bad food.
Which is actually close to happening. Here in Canada, the average age of farmers is 67. Within 20 years the average farmer will no longer be physically capable of the backbreaking work that is farming (which is more physically demanding than any other occupation, including professional athlete). The only things left on farms then will be machines, and the only people overseeing them will be pencil-pushers. We could all starve to death even if all the farmers _don't_ quit.
The world now has alot of decadent people as well as diseased, elderly, welfare bums.
They need to die out.
If you disagree with me, if you really want to argue this point with me, I ask you the following: Are any of us going to live forever? Is there any combination of money, pills, procedures that is going to keep all of us going indefinitely?
If the answer to that question is no, well then, the obvious conclusion is that people need to die so that young, productive people can inherit what's left of the earth after industrial society has stripped it of all resources.
They need to die out.
If you disagree with me, if you really want to argue this point with me, I ask you the following: Are any of us going to live forever? Is there any combination of money, pills, procedures that is going to keep all of us going indefinitely?
If the answer to that question is no, well then, the obvious conclusion is that people need to die so that young, productive people can inherit what's left of the earth after industrial society has stripped it of all resources.
kamya
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mickey said:
Growing food isn't exactly the most complicated thing to do. Better yet, if the farmer's quit people would start growing more of their own food and being more self sufficient.
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SofiasMami
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mickey said:
Frankly, your posts don't make much sense and seem to be mostly non-sequiturs. My state is probably the biggest in the US in terms of agricultural production - in the billions of dollars (that's billion with a "B"). A lot of it is mechanized but farms also hire almost exclusively immigrant workers to do the "backbreaking work that is farming". No we're not all going to "starve to death".
And Tealeaf has a good point. If you're looking for sympathy for a viewpoint that dismisses the pain of feeling lonely, I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree.
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VanillaCreme
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kamya said:
I would love to grow my own food. That way, I know exactly what it is, and I'm able to maintain exactly what I need. I was actually thinking of doing tomatoes or potatoes. I've heard they're two of the easiest, aside from herbs.
You need the right soil. My mom used to grow here own food in gardens she had at two houses we lived in. One you could grow almost anything, corn (which the previous owners grew we removed it) lettuce, cucumbers, tomatoes, radishes, carrots, strawberries, pumpkins, onions, I'm probably forgetting a few but those are the ones I remember her growing every year. Place we live at now you can't grow ****. The soil is not made for vegetables, we tried and nothing would grow, the plants would sprout but that was about it.
VanillaCreme
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Yeah, the soil here isn't much more than **** and mud mixed together. What I would do is get large, durable containers and do it that way. Starting small, of course. Nothing that massive. Just big enough the plants have room to grow, but small enough that I could manage them.
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