Are you a kind person just because you do something kind?

[doiiit]

Some people can be evil even if they are seen as kind.
They can loath and despise homeless people but they pretend they feel empathy and donate money to them just so people will see him as a kind person even though he would rather want to kill them all.

He doesnt help people because he actually feels for them he helps them because he wants people to like him.

Do you really think that is a kind and good hearted person?
Or just someone cold-hearted who is buying himself respect.

 

[meekthoughts]

If it's to the extreme that he/she wants to kill people... that's not a good hearted person. Or if that person really doesn't feel any kind of good feeling from helping others, than I suppose they are not entirely kind.

Most people do donate or do kind-hearted deeds because they feel empathy or have good hearts. But at the same time, every person does kind acts to make themselves feel better or for people to think positively about them to some degree. It's human nature - all that dopamine or whatnot sending pleasure signals to our brain. There's nothing wrong with that. It's still good intentions.

If you do a good deed and you don't feel good about yourself for that or you want other people to hate you for that, then there's probably something wrong.

 

[Badjedidude]

No, you're not a kind person if you do a kind thing.

Hitler took good care of his dog Blondi, and by all accounts spoiled her and loved her. That was a kind thing, no? Yet most see Hitler as the truest embodiment of evil in humanity.

So no, doing a kind thing does not make you a kind person.

I'd say... if the MAJORITY of your actions are kind, then you are a kind person.

 

[Felix]

It has to be trully kind... they can also 'fake it'...

I think true kindness is not valued these days. So people don't practice it a lot...

 

[SophiaGrace]

doing something kind while thinking evil thoughts still means you have done something kind.

 

[paulo]

a complete basterd being kind is still just a basterd doing kind things.
doing kind things doesnt make you a kind person.
being a kind person does make you do kind things.

 

[Bread]

Agreed with Jedi, doing mainly kind things makes you a kind person- it's sadly easy enough for any evil bugger to feign kindness short term for gain.

 

[Doubt The Rabbit]

doing something kind while thinking evil thoughts still means you have done something kind.

This is true, haha. A similar discussion arose in the chat yesterday.
The way I see it, even if you know an evil person who did a kind thing for you, thank them. Even if you KNOW they're evil, what they did for YOU was kind.
But to obsess over their true intentions is something that's a waste of time, especially if their hatred isn't directed towards you specifically.
I don't like threads like this, because you can't change a person's nature, and who is anyone to feel they have the right to do it anyway?

Agreed with Jedi, doing mainly kind things makes you a kind person- it's sadly easy enough for any evil bugger to feign kindness short term for gain.

I disagree with both you and Stever. A hateful person can go his entire life doing kind things and being known as a kind person, but that person is still hateful.

A kind person is one whose actions are driven by an innate desire to care for others' wellbeing in a way that fits the individual's needs, not one's own.

That's what I feel a kind person is.

 

[Bread]

I disagree with both you and Stever. A hateful person can go his entire life doing kind things and being known as a kind person, but that person is still hateful.

A kind person is one whose actions are driven by an innate desire to care for others' wellbeing in a way that fits the individual's needs, not one's own.

That's what I feel a kind person is.

Er. I can't think of any scenarios in where a truly hateful git would actually go and do good his entire life, or any long-term endeavour for that matter, without some goal of gain in his sights he strives to achieve. Maybe my mind's a tad tired after a long day, dunno...

Still, I guess repeat offender goody-two-shoes would possess this innate altruistic streak, since most good one can do, is towards one's surroundings and fellow men- who don't hesitate to punt that sucker over to the gutter and steal his wallet. Maybe a tad cynical, I guess. Sorry for rambling.

 

[RJLJD]

Immanuel Kant and Deontological Ethics: the only thing that is truly good is a good will.

i deeply believe that. doing good things for people is still wrong if you're heart is not in the right place.

a drug dealer may provide income for his family, which will help his loved ones to a better life, but that does not mean that by working in his trade he isn't destroying the lives of the people he sells to.

doing good things for the wrong reasons is hollow.

 

[freedom]

the latter.

it's like when someone at work kisses the boss's ass just to get on his good side. he's not doing it because he likes his boss (or the taste of ass on his lips), but because he's getting something out of it.

 

[Sci-Fi]

I wish employees kissed my ass. I'm not THE boss, but I'm their boss. The owner is my boss, if my employee(s) screw up I hear about it then they hear about it, sometimes twice if I get it from my boss. But none of them and I mean none ever felt the need to kiss my ass. It would have been nice to get my ass kissed, at least some part of me would get affection. Just as long as there was no tongue action going on, that is just gross.

Anyway, thought that might be funny, back on subject. I agree with what BJD said.

The way I look at it, is that it's just nice and makes you feel good to do kind things for people. You have to be one messed up SOB to enjoy causing others pain and grief and believe you me, those people are despicable wastes of human life.

 

[doiiit]

so to summarize what we all have came to conclusion is that its pointless to do nice things if you only or mostly just want people to like you.

Because if everyone is smart like me then we still wont give any respect to someone who for example makes a huge donation at a festival for example.. because all he wants is to buy respect and status.

dont forget give me lots of +rep for awseome thread

 

[DreamerDeceiver]

I'd like to think that I'm kind, but I would never make that the only motive for me to do good things. I agree with Jedi completely.

 

[Doubt The Rabbit]

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I disagree with both you and Stever. A hateful person can go his entire life doing kind things and being known as a kind person, but that person is still hateful.

A kind person is one whose actions are driven by an innate desire to care for others' wellbeing in a way that fits the individual's needs, not one's own.

That's what I feel a kind person is.

Er. I can't think of any scenarios in where a truly hateful git would actually go and do good his entire life, or any long-term endeavour for that matter, without some goal of gain in his sights he strives to achieve. Maybe my mind's a tad tired after a long day, dunno...

Still, I guess repeat offender goody-two-shoes would possess this innate altruistic streak, since most good one can do, is towards one's surroundings and fellow men- who don't hesitate to punt that sucker over to the gutter and steal his wallet. Maybe a tad cynical, I guess. Sorry for rambling.

No, no I was hoping you'd bring that up, because, the best medicine for an evildoer is retribution. I consider myself a mostly kind person, and if someone steals my wallet, I will kindly do my best to enlighten his life by bringing him the ************* pain of hell.

Then, he'll go about his life a changed man No more stealing wallets!


I was mostly saying, though, it's not the act that makes the person, even if it's an act of kindness. Sounds a bit egg-or-chicken though, huh?

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so to summarize what we all have came to conclusion is that its pointless to do nice things if you only or mostly just want people to like you.

Because if everyone is smart like me then we still wont give any respect to someone who for example makes a huge donation at a festival for example.. because all he wants is to buy respect and status.

dont forget give me lots of +rep for awseome thread

If you were smart, you'd not give two ***** about the person who made the donation and just be happy knowing that a donation was made.
The vast majority of people you meet won't do things for you out of altruism. Sometimes you just gotta know that they're going to want something in return and prepare for that moment.

Also, asking for reps reduces your respectability. People give reps because they feel a post was good, not because the poster asked.

 

[SofiasMami]

I don't think merely doing something that you yourself deem as kind makes you a kind person.
Would you donate a kidney to a dying family member? Would that make you kind or just looking out for one of your own? Would you donate a kidney to a dying stranger? How about donating a kidney to a prisoner serving a life term for murder? (yes, this does happen in real life) Don't they all deserve to live? Or not? Who decides?
Have you ever anonymously done something kind that no one ever found out about and that you never got a pat on the back for? Or maybe it feels better to do something kind that we're going to get credit for -

Teresa

 

[doiiit]

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I disagree with both you and Stever. A hateful person can go his entire life doing kind things and being known as a kind person, but that person is still hateful.

A kind person is one whose actions are driven by an innate desire to care for others' wellbeing in a way that fits the individual's needs, not one's own.

That's what I feel a kind person is.

Er. I can't think of any scenarios in where a truly hateful git would actually go and do good his entire life, or any long-term endeavour for that matter, without some goal of gain in his sights he strives to achieve. Maybe my mind's a tad tired after a long day, dunno...

Still, I guess repeat offender goody-two-shoes would possess this innate altruistic streak, since most good one can do, is towards one's surroundings and fellow men- who don't hesitate to punt that sucker over to the gutter and steal his wallet. Maybe a tad cynical, I guess. Sorry for rambling.

No, no I was hoping you'd bring that up, because, the best medicine for an evildoer is retribution. I consider myself a mostly kind person, and if someone steals my wallet, I will kindly do my best to enlighten his life by bringing him the ************* pain of hell.

Then, he'll go about his life a changed man No more stealing wallets!


I was mostly saying, though, it's not the act that makes the person, even if it's an act of kindness. Sounds a bit egg-or-chicken though, huh?

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so to summarize what we all have came to conclusion is that its pointless to do nice things if you only or mostly just want people to like you.

Because if everyone is smart like me then we still wont give any respect to someone who for example makes a huge donation at a festival for example.. because all he wants is to buy respect and status.

dont forget give me lots of +rep for awseome thread

If you were smart, you'd not give two ***** about the person who made the donation and just be happy knowing that a donation was made.
The vast majority of people you meet won't do things for you out of altruism. Sometimes you just gotta know that they're going to want something in return and prepare for that moment.

Also, asking for reps reduces your respectability. People give reps because they feel a post was good, not because the poster asked.

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i was just summarizing in that post what most people have in this thread came to conlusion to.

and how else i get +rep becus i made a awesome thread but i dont get any rep. my respectabiliyu shjouldnt have anything to do with it.