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Glass Onion

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Greetings,

Forums are pretty foreign to me, but I thought I'd give this one a go for a lack of better options... And probably because I feel insignificant right now in the face of much more important things taking place, such as Bin Laden's death, the Canadian election, and the Royal Wedding last Friday.

I'm a 22 year-old third-year medical student, located in Montreal. To put it simply, I'm a solitary person, with few close friends, no girlfriend (never had one), and a family that just collapsed. My bout of loneliness and semi-depression started two years ago, when I had a crush on a fellow classmate who was super nice to me. I bought her some croissants from a local bakery, after she told me that she liked them after I brought them to a seminar one morning. At the very least, I thought it would make her happy and that she would want to get to know me better. After a month though, she became cold with me and started going out with someone else. That was a while ago, so since then I don't approach women the same way. Needless to say, I felt horrible and avoided her for months.

Around the same time, a lot of my friends, who are very busy people, fell into relationships and started spending less time with me. I decided that I needed to "work on myself" (I'm not sure how great that piece of self-help was). I started studying music theory, taking guitar lessons, and picked up saxophone again after abandoning for several years. I began to expand my CD, book, and DVD collection. I stopped studying at home, and began to frequent cafés. I started building plastic models. As a longtime vegetarian, I began to take animal rights more seriously, and began reading more on the subject and started volunteering for the cause. I tried to keep myself busy and be as independent as possible. I even reduced the frequency of my trips home to Quebec City. Finally, after the croissant-girl incident, I simply approached people with a friendly smile and not come on too strong, only to be met by "I don't have any more room for friends in my life" and so on.

Two years have passed, and no matter what I do, I'm not getting any results. I have virtually no one in my life, and I spend my evenings alone. I'm naturally nice and caring, and that seems to alienate me more than anything else. I've been constantly telling myself that I deserve better, but I constantly question that now. When I try to be vocal about my loneliness, people just dismiss me. Even my own mother won't listen, yet she'll say in the same breath that Prince William looks like a "fantastic man" and deserves love, and she doesn't even know him! My dad used to call me "weak-willed" and never gave me any advice, yet since his recent separation from my mom, he's been calling looking for an empathetic ear.

... I suppose this post is more of a rant than anything, but still, the big question is "what now?". I'm running out of options as to what I can do to overcome loneliness. Even online dating or internet pen pal services aren't working; for the latter, no one has even looked at my profile once, and it's been on the site for more than a week. Maybe I'm naturally unattractive. I don't know anymore... Anyone have thoughts on what else I can do?
 
Needless to say, I felt horrible and avoided her for months.

That wasn't necessary but why did she turn cold towards you, more details in what you meant by that.


"I don't have any more room for friends in my life"

What led to them saying that, I've never in my life ever heard such an excuse.

 
K..you did alot of things which is great...but what you didn't do
was get books on how to pick up women, how to have relationships
with women. How to be romantic.

I've had plenty of women asked me out...
K, even as a self proclaim stud like me is humble enough to
down load PUA books or CDs.lol

I changed my woredrob, worked out.
It's all good...my fiancee likes the way I dress and loves my smexy body. She likes me to dress a bit like I'm her rocker badboy.

No matter your prefernce or style you choose to go....be clean.
Personal hygene of course...but makesure ur nails r clean,
fresh breathe..(gum or mints). Makesure your shoes are clean
or semi new. Get rid of all those ****** up shoes or only wear them
for yard work. Trust me...women are into shoes.lol

I wear black shoes or tennis shoes for reasons.
My socks...lol I wear black socks, this way the dirtiness of it dosnt
show...you won't notice **** like until you sit down or when she's
pulling your pants off.lol
If you go white tennies...makesure your white socks are clean.lol

Why is it important???
Dude, chicks get all into the way they dress. They get all into little
details about thier make up, panties, shoes, jeweleries...etc.
What makes you think they're not going to notice little things
of how you dress? Even if she's not into style...she's going to
notice your cleaniness..You're going to be putting your hands
on her...kissing her and rubbing your body against her's.

Smell good of course..but don't over spray.

My fiance aint going to like this..but I've asked plenty of women
out. I've been rejected plenty but I kept on trying.
I was being a hunter.lol Dating was fun and sucked at times too.
Lots of money, time and energy....you get better as you go.
It's a percentage game...you just gatta keep on trying, keep
a positive attitude. I've gotten too good at it. I've dated multiple
women serveral times. Don't get hung up or worry about some
women saying your a womenizer and what ever thier morals N values
are. I stand out like a door knob. Women looks at me oneway or the other. I know who might like me and who won't give me the time of day...it's alright, I just keep on strolling. I know plenty of women
check me out. And I don't waste my tine on women that dosn't want me or like me.

A simple tip. I ware a braclet or a belt thats looks like its out of place.
Just a single object ..example, sometimes I'll wear a stud wrist band instead of a watch. Its conseal most of the time under my sport jacket, but it'll flash every so often...the same gose for my belt.

plus when women look at me. I catch them...then think
wow!!! ur sexy n hot. i'll get a smile, hair fling or sometype
of signal back from them.

You want results don't ya.

I'm in the relationship stage now. I still remember a lot of material
I learned from books N CDs pretainging to relationships.
I'll still listen to relationships seminars and stuff.
Having some challenges at the moment..so I'm using what I've
learned from those books N CDs to help me/us get through this.

Even in the sex department...I'm still learning.
Read books, watch vedios, talk to my finacee of how to totally get her
off and sexually satisfy her.
We came across a positions today that totally hits her G spot.lol
But it drives me totally crazy too. She's like on top of me...but
I have to sit up. Sex aint dirty . We're a couple and we both
wanna please our partner. It's fun, plus it just feels really, really good. We're both very romantic so it's not just the sex all the time.

Sweet, you play the guitar. I rip on it.
 
Ha, I didn't want to pack more details into my already-long initial message, but now that you ask :)... I again admit that two years ago, I was terrible with women. When I gave her the croissants, she took it pretty well. Afterwards, I would wait a week before approaching her again, as I didn't want to scare her off. This one time, I approached her during a break from a lecture on electrocardiograms. She sounded distant and just kept nervously flipping her notes instead looking me in the eye and offhandedly saying things like commenting on an EKG pattern or on how many slides were left in the lecturer's presentation. It was not that she ignored me, but she would often say things out of the blue that were irrelevant to the conversation topics I brought up. Another time, she stopped in front of me in the hallway, looked blankly over my shoulder, said "Have a good weekend", and walked off. I thought she was talking to someone behind me, but there was no one. One day, I approached her in the hallway after a lecture on heart failure, and I started asking her how she was doing (she had a slight flu at the time). She gave really short and nervous answers, started fumbling in her bag haphazardly, pulled out her phone and said: "I have to call my boyfriend", and ran off before I could say anything. That's when I started feeling horrible and avoided her.

I've thought about many ways as to why she could've acted that way. Perhaps I didn't approach her correctly; maybe she wasn't interested and didn't know how to tell me. I couldn't really say. Until recently, it had really been bothering me, so I sent her a message a few weeks ago attempting to explain what really happened, and... She actually replied! It was a friendly reply too! She said that she didn't know how to interpret the croissants and that she usually acts that way to guys who are really nice to her, as it blocked any possible form of attachment. I was told that she changed boyfriend frequently after I met her, so maybe she has issues with men. I'm not sure what message she was trying to get across to me.

Nonetheless, I wish she had told me. I'm not the type who wants to date a girl off the bat. I wanted to get to know her beforehand, and the croissants was just an icebreaker, not to get her clothes off. In retrospect, it was perhaps a poor choice.

As for your second question... beats me! Perhaps bad timing? Coming on too strong? Your guess is as good as mine!

alonewanderer said:
Needless to say, I felt horrible and avoided her for months.

That wasn't necessary but why did she turn cold towards you, more details in what you meant by that.


"I don't have any more room for friends in my life"

What led to them saying that, I've never in my life ever heard such an excuse.




LOL, thanks for all the advice. This is what a lot of guys have told me (i.e. Read Double Your Dating and all). I've meant too, but I've never gotten around to doing so. I accept some accountability for my loneliness, as I've more or less been hoping that simply waiting for one to come along while preoccupying myself with other things.

I hear what you're saying about the wardrobe. I've changed it probably four times in the past two years, so I'm still looking for the right look, but right now I'm mainly a casual shirt and pants person with dark brown shoes. That's the look med students normally wear to hospitals, so it's what I'm used to. I never wear baggy clothes, and I only wear hoodies when I'm at home or in situations when I'm fairly certain that there's no need to impress.

I do have a romantic side too. In fact, I'm a romantic at heart. 90% of the music I listen to proves that (stuff like The Beatles and U2). I'd like to find someone I could make happy and stand by, and I dream about it all the time. The problem may be that I don't put forward my desires into tangible results...

Erm... Thanks for all the info on your finacée's favourite positions and her G-spot. That was umm... very informative. :p

Lonesome Crow said:
K..you did alot of things which is great...but what you didn't do
was get books on how to pick up women, how to have relationships
with women. How to be romantic.

I've had plenty of women asked me out...
K, even as a self proclaim stud like me is humble enough to
down load PUA books or CDs.lol

I changed my woredrob, worked out.
It's all good...my fiancee likes the way I dress and loves my smexy body. She likes me to dress a bit like I'm her rocker badboy.

No matter your prefernce or style you choose to go....be clean.
Personal hygene of course...but makesure ur nails r clean,
fresh breathe..(gum or mints). Makesure your shoes are clean
or semi new. Get rid of all those ****** up shoes or only wear them
for yard work. Trust me...women are into shoes.lol

I wear black shoes or tennis shoes for reasons.
My socks...lol I wear black socks, this way the dirtiness of it dosnt
show...you won't notice **** like until you sit down or when she's
pulling your pants off.lol
If you go white tennies...makesure your white socks are clean.lol

Why is it important???
Dude, chicks get all into the way they dress. They get all into little
details about thier make up, panties, shoes, jeweleries...etc.
What makes you think they're not going to notice little things
of how you dress? Even if she's not into style...she's going to
notice your cleaniness..You're going to be putting your hands
on her...kissing her and rubbing your body against her's.

Smell good of course..but don't over spray.

My fiance aint going to like this..but I've asked plenty of women
out. I've been rejected plenty but I kept on trying.
I was being a hunter.lol Dating was fun and sucked at times too.
Lots of money, time and energy....you get better as you go.
It's a percentage game...you just gatta keep on trying, keep
a positive attitude. I've gotten too good at it. I've dated multiple
women serveral times. Don't get hung up or worry about some
women saying your a womenizer and what ever thier morals N values
are. I stand out like a door knob. Women looks at me oneway or the other. I know who might like me and who won't give me the time of day...it's alright, I just keep on strolling. I know plenty of women
check me out. And I don't waste my tine on women that dosn't want me or like me.

A simple tip. I ware a braclet or a belt thats looks like its out of place.
Just a single object ..example, sometimes I'll wear a stud wrist band instead of a watch. Its conseal most of the time under my sport jacket, but it'll flash every so often...the same gose for my belt.

plus when women look at me. I catch them...then think
wow!!! ur sexy n hot. i'll get a smile, hair fling or sometype
of signal back from them.

You want results don't ya.

I'm in the relationship stage now. I still remember a lot of material
I learned from books N CDs pretainging to relationships.
I'll still listen to relationships seminars and stuff.
Having some challenges at the moment..so I'm using what I've
learned from those books N CDs to help me/us get through this.

Even in the sex department...I'm still learning.
Read books, watch vedios, talk to my finacee of how to totally get her
off and sexually satisfy her.
We came across a positions today that totally hits her G spot.lol
But it drives me totally crazy too. She's like on top of me...but
I have to sit up. Sex aint dirty . We're a couple and we both
wanna please our partner. It's fun, plus it just feels really, really good. We're both very romantic so it's not just the sex all the time.

Sweet, you play the guitar. I rip on it.

 
From what you've said, I don't think you necessarily did anything wrong but that SHE has a problem when people are nice to her -she even said as much - which means it's her problem not yours. At least she finally told you and you can try and forget about that.

As to people saying that they don't have room for any more friends in their life - like alonewanderer, I've never heard that either.

As Lonesome Crow has said - don't give up. Keep trying. Good luck.
 
Glass Onion said:
When I gave her the croissants, she took it pretty well. Afterwards, I would wait a week before approaching her again, as I didn't want to scare her off. This one time, I approached her during a break from a lecture on electrocardiograms. She sounded distant and just kept nervously flipping her notes instead looking me in the eye and offhandedly saying things like commenting on an EKG pattern or on how many slides were left in the lecturer's presentation. It was not that she ignored me, but she would often say things out of the blue that were irrelevant to the conversation topics I brought up. Another time, she stopped in front of me in the hallway, looked blankly over my shoulder, said "Have a good weekend", and walked off. I thought she was talking to someone behind me, but there was no one. One day, I approached her in the hallway after a lecture on heart failure, and I started asking her how she was doing (she had a slight flu at the time). She gave really short and nervous answers, started fumbling in her bag haphazardly, pulled out her phone and said: "I have to call my boyfriend", and ran off before I could say anything. That's when I started feeling horrible and avoided her.

I've thought about many ways as to why she could've acted that way. Perhaps I didn't approach her correctly; maybe she wasn't interested and didn't know how to tell me. I couldn't really say. Until recently, it had really been bothering me, so I sent her a message a few weeks ago attempting to explain what really happened, and... She actually replied! It was a friendly reply too! She said that she didn't know how to interpret the croissants and that she usually acts that way to guys who are really nice to her, as it blocked any possible form of attachment. I was told that she changed boyfriend frequently after I met her, so maybe she has issues with men. I'm not sure what message she was trying to get across to me.

Ok here's a few opinions and views, none of which are going to be in a particular order and possibly schizophrenic.

She's lying
She's incredibly shy, maybe assburgers
Rape victim
She doesn't have a boyfriend
She could be an escort
May just simply not be interested

You should've tried harder chap :p, none of those things would've detered me, well maybe the boyfriend call. You're also waiting way too long to talk to someone you want to know, whenever a girl does that to me I never even consider them interested. They end up blurting it out but beating around the bushes beforehand though and build it into an awkward situation.

About the croissants and attachment, you could've joked around and said " Yea I hate it when women get attached to my croissants, they end up stalking me for more". Just mentioning the word attachment though is sort of weird, I'd take it as a hint that she's not interested.

Time to bring out your detective shoes and scope out her "boyfriends" if you're hotter, then you strike, not like a cobra but like a precision cruise missile strike. ( no gifts though, that's only works on asian girls who watch asian dramas)
 
Hahaha, none of them sound schizophrenic, safe for the assburger and escort hypotheses. :p

I probably should have tried harder, but that was way back in 2009. I've worked on myself a lot since then and I'll bet she's changed in many ways too (her FB status says "single"). In fact, I took a year off from med to do a master's degree in biomedical engineering, so we aren't even in the same class anymore. I haven't seen her in a long time and I actually don't expect to see her again in person. It was more or less something I wanted to get off my chest for my sanity's sake. Since writing her, I'll admit that the thought has crossed my mind that perhaps if today I were given a second chance to approach her, I would do things differently, and I've wondered how she would view me. I did tell her in my message that I regretted that we didn't become friends, and she said that we would probably cross paths in the future. Somehow, I remain doubtful. However, at least I got an answer from her, so I'll just have to let that be enough for me. In any case, it's not like I knew her all that well, so I should probably quit before I really start overthinking this. :p

alonewanderer said:
Ok here's a few opinions and views, none of which are going to be in a particular order and possibly schizophrenic.

She's lying
She's incredibly shy, maybe assburgers
Rape victim
She doesn't have a boyfriend
She could be an escort
May just simply not be interested

You should've tried harder chap :p, none of those things would've detered me, well maybe the boyfriend call. You're also waiting way too long to talk to someone you want to know, whenever a girl does that to me I never even consider them interested. They end up blurting it out but beating around the bushes beforehand though and build it into an awkward situation.

About the croissants and attachment, you could've joked around and said " Yea I hate it when women get attached to my croissants, they end up stalking me for more". Just mentioning the word attachment though is sort of weird, I'd take it as a hint that she's not interested.

Time to bring out your detective shoes and scope out her "boyfriends" if you're hotter, then you strike, not like a cobra but like a precision cruise missile strike. ( no gifts though, that's only works on asian girls who watch asian dramas)

 

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