I believe I have a form of the Madonna-Whore Complex

[Mr. Sir]

Women, excuse my language:

I see 4 different kinds of girls. Girls I want to love, girls I want to ****, girls who are normal, and girls who are ugly. Actually there's probly more categories. But there have been so far 4 girls in my life, two when I was in HS and developed one-itis for, where I just saw her as a total goddess. Like everything just felt right. Now I know as an incel, I did all the loving in my head, but ya know. They need to have a pretty name, preferably one that ends with the letter A.

The first was a dancer when I was 14. When I saw her, I didn't have a horny desire like when I see a hot bimbo. Like there was a flame, I wanted to write poetry to her, I wanted to be the knight that went on a horrible journey and then consumated the love. The first girl I felt I was in love with, but I had no relationship with her. She didnt know I existed (more on this story later, it's not pretty)

Then there was this other girl when I was 17. She had been leading me on for 3 years. We were in a deep friendship. But everything about her, the giggle, the way she said my name, I wanted to hear her voice when I woke up in the morning, The fact that she was dating my effeminate friend behind my back destroyed me. She was too adorable to look at and accept that she belonged to someone else

Then there was this girl at my old school, then hijabi girl. It's that looking into their eyes. You dont think about how hot their body is, its the fire in their eyes, thats like the sensation of opening up a treasure chest.

There's this new girl at church who I just look at, and think this stuff about. Obviously I'm mature enough to not turn it into a fantasy.

But like, other plain girls, even hot girls, I'm not interested in. They need to be some kind of goddess that I just see. I dunno.

http://fotosa.ru/stock_photo/Comstock_JI/p_576700.jpg

Like when I look at the pic of this woman, I dont think about squeezing her ****s or sticking my **** in her ******. She's like a goddess. I want to smell her hair, look into her eyes, worship her, write poetry, and the fact that she's nude is just icing on the cake of passion.

 

[evanescencefan91]

aww those are sweet words

and also a great picture

eh your a man it happens, I've grown to finally tolerate after all these years

I'm so very sorry about what happened with that one girl that is terrible

I hope someday you'll find a hot girl that'll love you for who you are, and you can talk together and such


my final advice on this is
don't give up be brave
good luck




... and if she's got a hot bi-curious cousin...... email me

 

[SophiaGrace]

uhmn @_@ this is kind of too graphic at certain points. what do you want us to say?

 

[Badjedidude]

Well, all I can say is that some women have that affect on guys...there's just something about them that doesn't necessarily touch the sexual part of a guy's mind, but something deeper in him. I've seen women like that...women that I would love just to BE around, that I felt like their smile could just melt me instantly...and that "something," that spark inside of them has nothing to do with beauty or appearance. And it's different for every guy.

For instance, I'd say that your example photo shows a beautiful woman...but I don't see the same sort of "goddess" that you do. I'm sure it goes the other way around, as well. There are women that I might see as a "pure, beautiful goddess" and that you wouldn't see her that way at all. *shrug*

At any rate, this can be a particularly dangerous thing for guys. lol Don't put the ***** on a pedestal! Basically, all it takes to get through it is to keep in perspective, as you mentioned that you're trying to do.

There's nothing wrong with idolizing certain women to some extent...but it DOES become a problem when you attempt to form a relationship with the woman that you idolize. You're never going to have a level, equal relationship if you idolize the woman and put her far above yourself in your own mind. Besides, it's a bit unfair to put "goddess" expectations on a woman.

----Steve

 

[SophiaGrace]

whoa but I've put all the people I love on a pedestel..... :S

Bad?

 

[Lonesome Crow]

I will warship a woman only if she let me **** her brains out...on a Tuseday.
The rest of the week she just going to have to settle for playing tic tac toe.

 

[cheaptrickfan]

At some point you have to reconcile the fact that the madonna, the whore, the shy girl and the ugly girl can all cohabit the same body in one woman.

By putting women into such discrete categories, you are limiting them and telling them what they can or can not do:

To the madonna, "You have to be pure and can't be a sexual being;"
To the whore "There is nothing sweet, nice or redeeming about you, you are here just for ***;"
To the shy girl, "You will never be anything but a friend if you're lucky;"
To the ugly girl, "You will never be anything."

As an example, sometimes after a woman gives birth and makes that transition to being a mother (Madonna), her spouse may have conflicting feelings about how sexy she is which have nothing to do with excess baby weight or with the "trauma" of witnessing the birth. Sure, she has taken on a new role, but that does not negate all of her precious roles in life, one of which was obviously "lover."

Aren't multi-faceted people more interesting than shallow, single-sided people anyway?

And I'm not saying go out and find yourself a shy, ugly girl, what I am saying is try not to be so quick at assigning labels to people, or some day when you find that "nice girl" and it turns out that she has a sexual past or is the slightest bit kinky, I wouldn't want you to ruin things by treating her like a whore.

 

[h i]

To the madonna, "You have to be pure and can't be a sexual being;"
To the whore "There is nothing sweet, nice or redeeming about you, you are here just for ***;"
To the shy girl, "You will never be anything but a friend if you're lucky;"
To the ugly girl, "You will never be anything."

LOL

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i dont know how to word it. but youre using peoples physical attributes to attempt fixing your emotional issue. this is what leads to *** disorders. women have been known to do this too. its a little bit of hate, a little bit of desire, and a little bit of lack of experience. you search for people who you feel are worth something in society, someone you have a desire for, others you can put down, and so on... problem is, one person, doesnt let you do it all. which is why people either cheat, or sleep around. mtv has specials on stuff like this.

 

[Mr. Sir]

To the madonna, "You have to be pure and can't be a sexual being;"

This is incorrect. I never said the "madonna" was pure. I said she was passion, fire. She is sexual, but it's not the first thing that comes to mind. It's a different feeling then when I see a slutty college girl and just get a quick wood.

 

[cheaptrickfan]

To the madonna, "You have to be pure and can't be a sexual being;"

This is incorrect. I never said the "madonna" was pure. I said she was passion, fire. She is sexual, but it's not the first thing that comes to mind. It's a different feeling then when I see a slutty college girl and just get a quick wood.

Ok, my mistake then. I took it from your title. The madonna-whore complex usually refers to this dichotomy I mentioned in my post where a woman is either virtuous or sexy and never the twain shall meet.

Carry on.

 

[The-One]

I believe I can simplify your 4 kinds into only 2 kinds.

1)Girls that you want to do.
2)Girls that you don't want to do.

An ugly girl that you want to do? Why moan about her being ugly? You obviously find her attractive enough to do.

A girl you love but you don't want to do? What do do you love her for? What is the endpoint of this "love", how is it consumated? By blueballs and a tumble dryer?

 

[Lonesome Crow]

To the madonna, "You have to be pure and can't be a sexual being;"

This is incorrect. I never said the "madonna" was pure. I said she was passion, fire. She is sexual, but it's not the first thing that comes to mind. It's a different feeling then when I see a slutty college girl and just get a quick wood.

Ok, my mistake then. I took it from your title. The madonna-whore complex usually refers to this dichotomy I mentioned in my post where a woman is either virtuous or sexy and never the twain shall meet.

Carry on.

How can you forget?....you know you dressed like madona in the 80's.

 

[dreamer8]

At some point you have to reconcile the fact that the madonna, the whore, the shy girl and the ugly girl can all cohabit the same body in one woman.

By putting women into such discrete categories, you are limiting them and telling them what they can or can not do:

To the madonna, "You have to be pure and can't be a sexual being;"
To the whore "There is nothing sweet, nice or redeeming about you, you are here just for ***;"
To the shy girl, "You will never be anything but a friend if you're lucky;"
To the ugly girl, "You will never be anything."

As an example, sometimes after a woman gives birth and makes that transition to being a mother (Madonna), her spouse may have conflicting feelings about how sexy she is which have nothing to do with excess baby weight or with the "trauma" of witnessing the birth. Sure, she has taken on a new role, but that does not negate all of her precious roles in life, one of which was obviously "lover."

Aren't multi-faceted people more interesting than shallow, single-sided people anyway?

And I'm not saying go out and find yourself a shy, ugly girl, what I am saying is try not to be so quick at assigning labels to people, or some day when you find that "nice girl" and it turns out that she has a sexual past or is the slightest bit kinky, I wouldn't want you to ruin things by treating her like a whore.

Amen.

 

[cheaptrickfan]

How can you forget?....you know you dressed like madona in the 80's.

Oh hell no honey, I went from a button-down Oxford-wearing preppy (I had penny loafers, even!) to a spandex-wearing, big-haired metal girl.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

I believe I can simplify your 4 kinds into only 2 kinds.

1)Girls that you want to do.
2)Girls that you don't want to do.

An ugly girl that you want to do? Why moan about her being ugly? You obviously find her attractive enough to do.

A girl you love but you don't want to do? What do do you love her for? What is the endpoint of this "love", how is it consumated? By blueballs and a tumble dryer?

That's totally ******** man...I love to **** the woman I love brains out.

I get a feeling you havn't been with a woman that loves you or was in love with you before. I also get a feeling you havn't had a hawt babe
hitted on ya before and have nor a hawt babe totally **** your brains out.

You don't have to wear rubber. And when she gets done swallowing...
you kiss her. After you eat her out (which she totally loves)..she'll
kiss you back. It's totally awesume to watch a woman you love have
multiple orgasim. It's even more awesume to know that she loves you
and is in love with you...She walks around all day with a sparkle and
glow. An aura surrounds her. Her spirit is high. She gets wet just thinking
about ya....

half of your friends are thinking...WTF ??? how in the **** and why
in the **** would that hawt babe be all over him. And they actaully
ask you what's your secret....

Secret #1....stop being a ********

Secret #2...the bad boy image is actaully for other males to back the **** off or I'll kick some ***.
She has to feel safe with ya.

Secret #3 you treat a woman like a queen...she'll treat you like a king.
A good king never rule with an iron fist. A kind good will also defence his kingdom. He wins wars...becuase he picks his battles wisely.

 

[The-One]

That's totally ******** man...I love to **** the woman I love brains out.

I don't doubt that's it's true. I also don't doubt that you've misunderstood my post.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Nope it's not....
Plenty of hawt women have thrown themselves at me and ****** my brains out. I'm good enough and more than deserving.
If you expect the best...you'll get the best.

You havn't had the perttiest woman in the room come up to ya and throw herself at ya before?
It's a trip at first...but you get used to it after a while...

You havn't had women fight over you before???..it's a trip to watch cat fights...it stroke the hell out of my ego...but it is what it is.

You havn't been in bed with 2 women that are best of freinds and totally ****** your brains out before?
You gatta do that at least once before you died...it's totally awesume.

You havn't gone out with sisters before??? It's a trip becuase after you gone out with one of them...then you go out with the other.
You have *** with the current one (becuase her sister ripped your heart out) as the ex is sitting in the next room
You ain't lived until you've done sisters...
I tried to get the ex to join...but she was still pissed off at me.lmao

You havn't have a totally hawt babe go AWOL, go from cost to cost just so she can **** your brains out??...that's love man.

Have ever been stalked by 2 women at the sametime???...It's totally amazing. lmao

Have you even rolled into a new town. You met some hawt babe that you never met before on the first night and she totally
just gives it to ya???....

oh damn...I ma a man whore...excuse the **** out of me. Women be using me as a tool
I'm a fucken victim.lmao

can't help ya there...
Just becuase it's not true for you..dosn't mean it's not true for me.
Whatever boxed in limited thinking you have...is not my problem.
Are you sure you're still not lost in the matrix???lmao
That's the concept of that movie ya know...breaking out your boxed in thinking or programing.

Here...the thing man.
I'm obsessed with ***** or women...
But the mind is such a powerful thing. It ultimately creates my reality on the outside.
That's why I be getting beautiful women and ***** all the time. I draw them to me...
**** people say it works for other stuff....so it's neutrual.
The guilt and shame is what other people's moral and vaule that people wants me to think or not think about...
will fucken screw that...i ma be going to hell or I'm such a bad no good person or some ******** they come up with.
So I go into obssessing not going to hell through fears. It's neutrual. Hell, guilt, shame and fears ruled my mind.
That's totally ******** to me. I don't have to live or belive that way.
What so worng with 2 or 3 consenting adults having hard core ***??? Not a god damn thing. Your beliefs/thinking makes it so.
Are there people in this world that's not going to approve of what i do or how i live...of course...That's thier fucken problems or they don't
have to associate with me or be a part of my life. It's ok.... I have just as much rights to live this life as they do...I know that.
Evidently there's plenty of poeple and women that will associate with me.. Oh damn we're all a bounch of whores and going to hell...Errror.
If you think about being miserable all the time....there you go. You created that also.
If you think about feeling guilty...there you go
If you think you can't...there you go.
If you think about and talk about having blue balls...that's what you'll get too.

It is done according to your faith/belief/thinking..the riddle had been solved aeons ago.

I know some people are afraid of ***** or have sexual hang ups..through whatever guilt, shame conditionings.
Yes...yes, there's no such thing as miss right...just miss right now. I get it.
If that's the way a person wants to live thier life at the moment...then so be it.

 

[Badjedidude]

What is the endpoint of this "love", how is it consumated? By blueballs and a tumble dryer?

Lol I think you're confusing physical love (lust) with emotional love (romance). One does not HAVE to sexually consumate emotional love; it's just there. So yeah, it's very possible to love someone romantically and never actually have *** with them.

----Steve

 

[Lonesome Crow]

What is the endpoint of this "love", how is it consumated? By blueballs and a tumble dryer?

Lol I think you're confusing physical love (lust) with emotional love (romance). One does not HAVE to sexually consumate emotional love; it's just there. So yeah, it's very possible to love someone romantically and never actually have *** with them.

----Steve

That really ******** Steve...

I lust (wanting) after the woman I love. I want her all night and day.
She totally loves it...
She just use a differnent words to describe the samething....
"I'm madly in love with her or I'm very passionate"
It takes the guilt and shame out of it...FFS

 

[Badjedidude]

That really ******** Steve...

Lol or maybe it's my opinion based on personal perception.

I'm just saying that love and lust are two different things, and that people can experience one without the other. That's not ********, it makes a lot of sense, actually.

----Steve