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putter65 said:

That is quite depressing. I hope that I am able to start a relationship with a woman before I am in my forties otherwise I don't know what I'd do. Being in a relationship does not play on my mind as much these days which is probably due to the fact that I am distracting myself by going to the gym and swimming so I am focused on losing weight instead.
 
Hearmenow2012 said:
putter65 said:

That is quite depressing. I hope that I am able to start a relationship with a woman before I am in my forties otherwise I don't know what I'd do. Being in a relationship does not play on my mind as much these days which is probably due to the fact that I am distracting myself by going to the gym and swimming so I am focused on losing weight instead.

it is best to 'forget about it' and do other stuff, enjoy yourself the best you can with hobbies and interests etc. Live your life to the full and keep a positive attitude and be happy. I think that is possible without a woman in your life.
 
putter65 said:
Hearmenow2012 said:
putter65 said:

That is quite depressing. I hope that I am able to start a relationship with a woman before I am in my forties otherwise I don't know what I'd do. Being in a relationship does not play on my mind as much these days which is probably due to the fact that I am distracting myself by going to the gym and swimming so I am focused on losing weight instead.

it is best to 'forget about it' and do other stuff, enjoy yourself the best you can with hobbies and interests etc. Live your life to the full and keep a positive attitude and be happy. I think that is possible without a woman in your life.

That is pretty much what I am doing. It's not like I think about being in a relationship 24/7. There are other things in my life that I enjoy and that make me happy, however sometimes it is easier said than done to remain positive. This process of me losing weight will benefit me in the long run so I'll remain focused on that for now.
 
Hearmenow2012 said:
putter65 said:
Hearmenow2012 said:
putter65 said:

That is quite depressing. I hope that I am able to start a relationship with a woman before I am in my forties otherwise I don't know what I'd do. Being in a relationship does not play on my mind as much these days which is probably due to the fact that I am distracting myself by going to the gym and swimming so I am focused on losing weight instead.

it is best to 'forget about it' and do other stuff, enjoy yourself the best you can with hobbies and interests etc. Live your life to the full and keep a positive attitude and be happy. I think that is possible without a woman in your life.

That is pretty much what I am doing. It's not like I think about being in a relationship 24/7. There are other things in my life that I enjoy and that make me happy, however sometimes it is easier said than done to remain positive. This process of me losing weight will benefit me in the long run so I'll remain focused on that for now.

yes it is tough sometimes especially when you see people start dating or a woman who you think is fantastic.
 
So basically this proves that in general woman will not go out with men-who have low incomes, in general men have never considered a womans income. Sad but true ladies.
 
putter65 said:

Really? Did you actually READ the article?

The Office for National Statistics report suggests that men who have not committed to long-term relationships or whose marriages have been ended by divorce are finding it harder to win partners once they reach middle age.

‘People think that it is cheaper if people don’t form families. It isn’t.

‘The Government could start by ending the 25 per cent discount on council tax for people living by themselves. It’s crazy. It is fining people who live together.’

The huge number of men who say they are living alone, however, could be partly accounted for by the benefits system, which penalises couples and pays far greater handouts to women who say they are single parents.

Well over a million couples are thought to be ‘living apart together’ to secure the highest possible tax credits and benefits.

Harry Benson, of the Marriage Foundation, said: ‘People can lose large sums in tax credits and benefits if they say they live together. This has an effect in that people choose not to live together, or say they don’t live together. However it may be that the sheer weight of family breakdown is causing an increase in men living alone in their 40s and 50s.’

It IS NOT about why women aren't interested in you, it doesn't say why women aren't interested in certain men AT ALL. It is about the misconception people have about living alone and the growing trend towards it. It also shows that WOMEN LIVING ALONE IS ON THE RISE. That article is not about "Men over 40 this is why you are alone and women don't want you".

If I see this thread turn into another women bashing thread it will get shut down and people will be banned.
 
Sci-Fi said:
putter65 said:

Really? Did you actually READ the article?

The Office for National Statistics report suggests that men who have not committed to long-term relationships or whose marriages have been ended by divorce are finding it harder to win partners once they reach middle age.

‘People think that it is cheaper if people don’t form families. It isn’t.

‘The Government could start by ending the 25 per cent discount on council tax for people living by themselves. It’s crazy. It is fining people who live together.’

The huge number of men who say they are living alone, however, could be partly accounted for by the benefits system, which penalises couples and pays far greater handouts to women who say they are single parents.

Well over a million couples are thought to be ‘living apart together’ to secure the highest possible tax credits and benefits.

Harry Benson, of the Marriage Foundation, said: ‘People can lose large sums in tax credits and benefits if they say they live together. This has an effect in that people choose not to live together, or say they don’t live together. However it may be that the sheer weight of family breakdown is causing an increase in men living alone in their 40s and 50s.’

It IS NOT about why women aren't interested in you, it doesn't say why women aren't interested in certain men AT ALL. It is about the misconception people have about living alone and the growing trend towards it. It also shows that WOMEN LIVING ALONE IS ON THE RISE. That article is not about "Men over 40 this is why you are alone and women don't want you".

If I see this thread turn into another women bashing thread it will get shut down and people will be banned.

no I skipped it. Just read the bit about women not wanting to date a man on a lower income which I thought was interesting and relevant to my situation.

Don't be so touchy, let people have their say !


Parabolani said:
So basically this proves that in general woman will not go out with men-who have low incomes, in general men have never considered a womans income. Sad but true ladies.

in the UK, it seems so
 
Um I do consider any potential girlfriend's income. I'm not sure I want to deal with somebody that will be a drain on my finances. I could trade away a potential relationship for having enough food, paying bills, health, etc.
 
So basically this proves that in general woman will not go out with men-who have low incomes, in general men have never considered a womans income. Sad but true ladies.

these are all just statistics and averages though. people may be attracted to potential partners that are more successful, but it doesnt mean all of them or to say that: women will NOT go out with men-who have low incomes. also, everything is relative. my income is high compared to some people and may look attractive to certain people, but then may also look like a joke to some other people.
would a higly paid executive or career woman that makes 2x as much as myself be interested in a blue collar tradesman? maybe a majority of them wouldnt give me a second look. but not to say all of them are like that. and on that same scale, i should be able to pick up any girl that makes half what i make? I should be like a god to them.

here is one more statisitc to add into the equation. my wife is an office manager and makes ALOT more than i do. the girlfriend i had before my wife was studying to be a lawyer and is one today. where as i have always been a scruffy tradesman. (well maybe not scruffy, but you know what i mean)

my point being. none of this is absolute. only stats and averages.
 
Uhm. The article says "one reason could be that middle-aged women with good qualifications and jobs have little interest in forming relationships with lower-earning men."

Aside from that being one possible reason, and the next logical question, "who could blame them if they do?", considering the woman would have spent a considerable amount of time and resources into bettering herself career-wise and would, one could assume, be more likely to want a partner who did the same with his life, the article isn't even about that. Try reading it next time.

Besides, a lot of people who choose to stay alone are not lonely.
 
The figures themselves are quite interesting actually

They show the split between men and women living alone in this age group is quite equal 1.28 million Men to 1.14 women. Its only the INCREASE in men living alone that is higher, they have just caught up with women in overall numbers. All it shows is that in this day and age there are a lot of people living alone and the figure is rising for both genders and is currently about the same level for both.

Before anyone starts quoting the Mail's analysis of the figures it should be noted the Daily Mail is notoriously right wing, it hates immigrants, single parents, europe anyone on benefit. Its always completely unbalanced, so the lines..


"The huge number of men who say they are living alone, however, could be partly accounted for by the benefits system, which penalises couples and pays far greater handouts to women who say they are single parents."

Is unsubstantiated guess work to serve its agenda

This gibberish...

"‘This is a fall-out from the spread of casual unions and the effective state discrimination against marriage.’ She added: ‘The growth of numbers of people living alone is very expensive indeed, in terms of state benefits, the need for more development and health and social services care, because people who live alone are more likely to need the NHS or social services."

Is just insulting, assuming people who live alone are all on benefits and in need of social services. It also manages to try and have a pop at same *** couples before it finishes.

Usual Daily Mail *****, it loves marriage and princess Diana, hates Gays and anyone lower than middle class and with half a brain.
 
Barbaloot said:
Uhm. The article says "one reason could be that middle-aged women with good qualifications and jobs have little interest in forming relationships with lower-earning men."

Aside from that being one possible reason, and the next logical question, "who could blame them if they do?", considering the woman would have spent a considerable amount of time and resources into bettering herself career-wise and would, one could assume, be more likely to want a partner who did the same with his life, the article isn't even about that. Try reading it next time.

Besides, a lot of people who choose to stay alone are not lonely.

on the news site, some people have made comments like that. They are not lonely etc.


perfanoff said:
Um I do consider any potential girlfriend's income. I'm not sure I want to deal with somebody that will be a drain on my finances. I could trade away a potential relationship for having enough food, paying bills, health, etc.

it wouldn't bother me what she did.


Hank2 said:
So basically this proves that in general woman will not go out with men-who have low incomes, in general men have never considered a womans income. Sad but true ladies.

these are all just statistics and averages though. people may be attracted to potential partners that are more successful, but it doesnt mean all of them or to say that: women will NOT go out with men-who have low incomes. also, everything is relative. my income is high compared to some people and may look attractive to certain people, but then may also look like a joke to some other people.
would a higly paid executive or career woman that makes 2x as much as myself be interested in a blue collar tradesman? maybe a majority of them wouldnt give me a second look. but not to say all of them are like that. and on that same scale, i should be able to pick up any girl that makes half what i make? I should be like a god to them.

here is one more statisitc to add into the equation. my wife is an office manager and makes ALOT more than i do. the girlfriend i had before my wife was studying to be a lawyer and is one today. where as i have always been a scruffy tradesman. (well maybe not scruffy, but you know what i mean)

my point being. none of this is absolute. only stats and averages.

a woman on POF while chatting to me did say I wasn't weathly enough for her.
 
EveWasFramed said:
*facepalm*

Again? Really? More? Seriously? Enough?

Of course. I don't think we fully understand the gravity of their situation yet - it needs at least another 50 threads and de-railed threads for us to fully comprehend it.
 
Think of a dating website where you have a list of things you consider important, income, looks, good sense of humour, wants/doesn't want kids, smokes, likes going to movies, the list on those sites goes on forever, there are an immeasurable number of things people look for in a partner, everyone is different. Some people are more materialistic than other people thats just the way the world works.

The thing is, EVERYONE here surely knows this. How many threads on here however are about "what men want" or "what women want" as if everyone wants the same thing and there is one universal rule that governs what everyone is looking for, as if all tastes are equal, all aspirations, personalities, qualities, morals are exactly the same...

Everyone knows this is not the case, but still every day another thread pops up and lots of posts follow saying "All people look for is x & y, so I never had a chance" So why is it that everyone knows this is rubbish but everyday these same stupid conversations arise???

I think the answer is that some on here are actually more obsessed by the thought that certain people wouldn't be interested in a relationship with them rather than to acknowledge that others might. They just can't handle the idea that they might not be everyone's perfect catch.

So its more about a deep seated belief that no one should overlook what they have to offer, a suppressed ego that just can't except that they are not adored by millions. A quote from a song seems appropriate, "with your triumphs and your charms... while they're in each others arms". Blame the world, but you're just fooling yourself.
 
The Good Citizen said:
Everyone knows this is not the case, but still every day another thread pops up and lots of posts follow saying "All people look for is x & y, so I never had a chance" So why is it that everyone knows this is rubbish but everyday these same stupid conversations arise???

+ 10 :cool:
 
The Good Citizen said:
Think of a dating website where you have a list of things you consider important, income, looks, good sense of humour, wants/doesn't want kids, smokes, likes going to movies, the list on those sites goes on forever, there are an immeasurable number of things people look for in a partner, everyone is different. Some people are more materialistic than other people thats just the way the world works.

The thing is, EVERYONE here surely knows this. How many threads on here however are about "what men want" or "what women want" as if everyone wants the same thing and there is one universal rule that governs what everyone is looking for, as if all tastes are equal, all aspirations, personalities, qualities, morals are exactly the same...

Everyone knows this is not the case, but still every day another thread pops up and lots of posts follow saying "All people look for is x & y, so I never had a chance" So why is it that everyone knows this is rubbish but everyday these same stupid conversations arise???

I think the asnwer is that some on here are actually more obsessed by the thought that certain people wouldn't be interested in a relationship with them rather than to acknowledge that others might. They just can't handle the idea that they might not be everyone's perfect catch.

So its more about a deep seated belief that no one should overlook what they have to offer, a suppressed ego that just can't except that they are not adored by millions. A quote from a song seems appropriate, "with your triumphs and your charms... while they're in each others arms". Blame the world, but you're just fooling yourself.

I know it's over by The Smiths - great song !
 
1) There's less social pressure to get married and stay married.

2) People are generally poor at treating their partner like a cherished human being and not a resource.

3) After a few initial tries, people lose interest and energy.
 
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