ardour said:
MisterLonely said:
The idea that women can score way above there averaged beauty score is in this thread "blamed" on women, where as it could mean there are more men out there that have kinks and/or fetishism's, it could also mean that men are less influenced by "beauty" than we are led to believe, and it could also mean that men are quicker to lower their standards compared to women.
Or it could just mean that men overall find women more attractive than women find men.
I think women do have an edge over men in looks. But its because women on average have spent a lifetime perfecting their looks and spend a great deal more time then men on personal appearance. How many of you guys spend 10-15 minutes in the mirror before going out? Also women have the advantage of makeup, which gives them another boost in attractiveness. Its also a doubled edged sword as makeup raises the standard of beauty for them so high that many women tend to look 'ugly' without it.
I'm not gay, but its quite obvious to me theres just as many good looking guys as there are good looking women, same with average looking guys and and average looking women. But thats just based on how they look in the face.
There difference between the sexes and attractiveness might be in sexuality. Men can only look sexy if they have big muscles. Big muscles is hard to obtain for men, so most lack them. But men can get aroused by the breasts and *** on an average woman, no matter what size they are, and no work is needed by the woman, so most have this sexual attractiveness by default. If a man is slightly overweight, hes considered to have an unattractive 'dad bod'. If a woman is slightly overweight, shes considered thick and still sexy. Even a very overweight woman is considered by some men a BBW. So its much much harder for a man to be sexy then a woman. I think this plays into women rating guys lower then men do them. I think its possible if a guy lifts weights and becomes physically impressive, he can dramatically raise his sexual appeal to women.
Then theres the difference between what each *** says they desire, and what they actually need. A man may think he wants a 21 year old with big breasts who loves ***. But in reality a 32 year old woman with small breasts who respects him and makes him a better man is actually what he needs. A woman might think she wants a popular alpha who is big and strong, but in reality an average built guy who is honest, caring, and always there for her is what she needs. The man I mentioned has allowed his *** drive to think for him. He's primarily concerned in a woman's sexual ability and overlooked his need for a capable partner. The woman I mentioned has allowed her want for protection and security to override her need to be loved and cared for. The sad thing is, its quite likely 80% of women AND men struggle to see past the 'wants' of a partnership to ever really grasp the 'needs'. This is why older men sometimes leave their wife of the same age to run off with younger women, and why women might run away from their lowly but faithful husband to be with a more wealthy alpha. They simply care more about their wants then needs. They already have 80% of what they need in a relationship, but they desire that last 20% more then anything. Most of the time the younger woman or alpha doesnt provide the 80% they received previously.
So yeah, I think both sexes have their issues. The *** drive of men tends to screw up their thinking, and a woman's desire for being taken care of and security tends to screw up hers. You just have to find the people who are woke to this. The guy who realizes a good supportive woman is better then a trophy wife. The woman who realizes a loving, caring man is better then a rich playboy. Sadly I think these people are few.
Personally, Im not interested in playing the game the 80% want. If you become a PUA, then your playing the game.
Look at the ridiculous advice in this article for how to deal with hypgamy in women
- Work out 3-5x a week
- Meditate for 20 minutes daily
- Read for 30 minutes daily
- Start a business
- Work on your style
- Go out 2-3 nights a week and learn game
[font=Roboto, sans-serif]Now, however, there’s TREMENDOUS social mobility—you can be born in the bottom 5% of men and work your way up to the top 5% within a matter of 15-20 years. It isn’t that hard.[/font]
http://www.masculinedevelopment.com/female-hypergamy-advantage/
The author calls men 'butthurt' who find hypergamy distasteful, but at the same time look at the lengths hes willing to go to in order to appease this particular set of women. I'd much rather be butthurt then a desperate lackey who spends the majority of his life improving himself just so he can reach some silly standard set by shallow women who will likely drop you just as fast as they found you for a better catch. Notice how he mentions spending 15-20 years of your life to reach the top 5% of men to attract such women 'isnt that' hard. What an *****.
So yeah... if you become a PUA, your playing the game. The problem is, as a man, you start every game down 20 points. Your bound to lose over and over again before winning. Many men have tricked themselves in believing somehow doing this makes them a real man. How exactly does approaching numerous women who have no interest in you make you anything but a desperate loser? This is exactly what women want. They want random men approaching them, which boosts their ego. And they will only pick the 20% 'best' who approach them. Why? Because they can. Because men give them that power.
The way Im going about it? Im going to be the best man i can be. If I stay single forever, so be it. At least I've maintained my dignity and I didnt sell out to try and appeal to a woman who doesnt need another ego boost. If a woman who is somewhere in my ballpark shows mutual interest in me, I'll attempt to take the next step. The crappy game it seems 80% of the population plays? I'm sitting it out.
