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desiderio

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G'day,

(Sorry. My life in 1,000 words or less...)

As far as my memory can be trusted, I was quite a social boy when I was younger; lots of friends in school; even seen as a leader when it came to decision making about what game to play at recess. And then we relocated, and it all fell apart... by the end of primary school, I only had 1 close friend, and whilst we went to the same high school, we only ever had 2 classes together, and drifted apart.

But that was ok, because I found a new niche of friends, geeks like myself for the most part, though again there was really only 1 of those whom I ever saw outside of school - socially, I guess you'd call it. But that was ok - I had finally convinced my parents of the need to buy a computer, and all that non-school time was well spent playing Dark Castle, or creating the world's most amazing relational Doctor Who Data Bank using Apple's HyperCard program. (Man that thing was amazing...)

When the girl that I'd been crushing on for a few years asked me to help her to get together with that 1 outside-school friend... it was like a slow release poison... and whilst she got what she wanted (with my help), I lost everything...

But that was ok, cos then I went off to uni. Didn't know anyone there, but of course, my amazing social skills... my ability to go to a party and... Well, thank god for the development of the World Wide Web and html chat sites! Who needed locally based friends (who never wanted to interact outside school/uni anyway, when I had Alamak, and The Park, and even good old dirty bianca's to hang out in and actually talk to people...

And never mind that I was 21 and had never had a girlfriend in real life, cos I had some great online girlfriends... Cali Baby from - you guessed it - California... Citrana from... yep, Orange Cou- Nah, she was from North-something I think... (More interestingly, She was from a BDSM room - ooh la la!) belle from Toronto... If you are seeing a pattern, it's - they are all from North America... Which was fine, but - I live in Australia...

In fact, I did meet a few local girls... 3... And I saw each of them in person... once... And never saw them again... (their choices...) But that's ok, I can take a hint... Short, ugly, socially inept... Doesn't take a second date to figure that out.

Then, after being talked into going to a New Year's Eve party, and doing my best not to fall into my usual wallflower habits... I met this girl, and she genuinely seemed to enjoy my company. She eventually said those words... "So are you going to kiss me?" and we were officially dating...

For a while, there was a small group of us who did stuff together... bowling... movie nights... bbq's... full on social life... but over time that faded, not that she seemed to mind - her own parents' opinion was that they had each other, and that's all they needed... she seemed to think that was a good model to base a relationship on... And I had no friends to get in the way... so life went on... we had a kid... fought over economics (ie distribution of money)... had another kid...

and all the while, as soon as she went to bed each night, I'd stay up for a few hours, going online and... well, I'll leave some things to the imagination... (did I mention she's regularly said "I could live without ever having sex"?)

But it's ok, cos... the way I see it, in 38 years I've only kissed 3 girls... the first in grade 1... then a hooker... and lastly the only woman who has ever said "I love you"... So I guess I really should just be grateful that there's someone to go crawl into bed with at 2am, and it's not an empty bed... except that I know there's nothing in my heart now for her... no pain when we fight... no pleasure when she's happy... should be grateful...

The problem with all this? Two months ago I was at the crux of it all, knowing I was sick of not actually having anyone I could really engage with... and then I met her... we spoke for all of 2 minutes on a chat site, before she had to go, but gave me her email... I wrote such a crazy long email to her, after those 2 minutes... and went to bed... then woke to find she had replied, "inline" (not just writing the reply at the top/bottom - but in a different color between, and sometimes amidst my paragraphs!), and just simply - it was like this incredible exciting heady rush of words that flowed between us for 6 weeks, including her offer to meet in person... and not just for coffee...

But I couldn't... I may be fine with faking love... but I'm not fine with cheating on that fakery... And so she moved on to someone else who wasn't married... someone she said she didn't feel that instant intensity with, but whom she hoped a future may present itself... And that's a good thing... for her... and I would never deny her that possibility, when I myself am not in a position to leave my wife...

But it hurts...

And again, I'm alone and hurting... in my own messed up life, of my own doing...

Hello lonely lifers.
 
Such a bittersweet story. I don't know what to say to cheer you up, but I read everything you wrote.


ahem..written. Phantom of the opera reference, anyone?
 
Are you sure she's not just put off by your porn use? I know when I found some porn in my husbands out of town bag a few months ago.. things haven't been the same. It feels like he cheated mentally. Im always "in the mood" if you know what I mean but he only initiates rarely and only when he's drunk.

I think in my case, my husband is not sexually attracted to me anymore. I know I am attractive because I get checked out and hit on sometimes. Do you think this could be the case for you? Do you still love her and find her attractive? Do you feel obligated to stay because of the kids?

If you don't both feel the same way about each other, ya'll need to talk to each other HONESTLY. I tried to have this talk with my husband several times but he's sticking with his story that nothing in our relationship is wrong and he loves me bla bla bla. I call BS. He can go weeks without trying to hug or kiss me.. never mind about the sex...

Im glad you haven't cheated on her yet but meeting girls online is a slippery slope.... it isn't fair to either of you to continue on if your longing for other people. Tell her the truth! It might hurt but she deserves that much, right?

Sorry if I came off as too blunt, your story struck a cord with me because I imagine my husband is doing the same thing online (meeting people and watching porn) while im in the other room longing for him to love ME.
 
hi Dandelion,

Love your sig...

Dandelion said:
Are you sure she's not just put off by your porn use? I know when I found some porn in my husbands out of town bag a few months ago.. things haven't been the same. It feels like he cheated mentally. Im always "in the mood" if you know what I mean but he only initiates rarely and only when he's drunk.

About 10 years ago she found out about the porn/cyber stuff... and yes, she was hurt by it... a lot... We talked, and talked... Part of it certainly was her lack of interest in sex... (she has since been diagnosed with Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome, which basically can either cause a woman to have a highly elevated, or severely low libido... one, or the other...) I would get depressed/upset/etc by her continual rebukes to my advances, so I'd give up and just go straight to the computer... It wasn't a lack of me touching, kissing, wanting her... Basically I have a 24 hour window per month when she genuinely is "interested" - about 2 days before her period... Can set a clock by it...


Dandelion said:
I think in my case, my husband is not sexually attracted to me anymore. I know I am attractive because I get checked out and hit on sometimes. Do you think this could be the case for you? Do you still love her and find her attractive? Do you feel obligated to stay because of the kids?

A part that I missed out above... About 2 years ago we had a fight (about nothing much). I stormed off to my office. I sat there, and soon realised - I didn't feel anything. Normally, we'd fight, and it would hurt inside. I mean - every time... fight, hurt... fight, hurt... But there was nothing... And there hasn't been anything since.

So, yes, I don't believe there is any love there any more... And yes, if we had no kids, I'd have ended things... but there are kids, beautiful kids, and I am divided whether they are better off in 1 home with 2 parents that are dysfunctional but just able to keep the roof over their heads... or split between 2 homes... with every likelihood of neither of us having enough money to do anything nice for a long time...


Dandelion said:
If you don't both feel the same way about each other, ya'll need to talk to each other HONESTLY. I tried to have this talk with my husband several times but he's sticking with his story that nothing in our relationship is wrong and he loves me bla bla bla. I call BS. He can go weeks without trying to hug or kiss me.. never mind about the sex...

Sometimes BS is just survival mode... Not a good thing, just saying... the truth can be hard when you've not told it for a while. :(

I do wonder if she feels the same, and we're both lying to each other... Like - I know things that she does which I used to just accept, I now loathe... And her reactions to things I do - I think she's feeling that too... It's easy to forget/forgive when you love the person... Not so much otherwise. A few months ago she did ask me if i really loved her... I wasn't sure if it was just "talking" or if she was seriously asking - testing the waters... But possibly like your hubby, I played dumb...

Dandelion said:
Im glad you haven't cheated on her yet but meeting girls online is a slippery slope.... it isn't fair to either of you to continue on if your longing for other people. Tell her the truth! It might hurt but she deserves that much, right?

She does deserve it... deserves to have the chance to go find someone new who does love her...

If there's one thing I now know though, it is that I can't cheat physically. When it was on the table (and there was a LOT on the table), I couldn't... I wont be that man...

Dandelion said:
Sorry if I came off as too blunt, your story struck a cord with me because I imagine my husband is doing the same thing online (meeting people and watching porn) while im in the other room longing for him to love ME.

Dandelion, thank-you for reading my tome, and thank-you for your honesty. Not blunt... There's no blunt.

d.
 
And thank you for reading my response and replying to it.

Im in a similar situation regarding the kids. I know it would hurt like hell but I would rather have the truth out on the table. If my hubby isn't "in love" with me anymore, I wish he could be brave enough to talk about it. Im still young and it would be easier for me (and him) to find someone new. I would respect him for his honesty and we would come up with a plan for the kids, no hard feelings kind of thing.

But if he cheated because he was too much of a coward to face me with the truth.. I would hate him and that would make it hard to be civil when it came time to discuss custody.

If you feel nothing for her anymore.. im pretty sure she knows that and can feel it. I also think that when she asked you if you still love her, she was trying to initiate that dreaded "talk".

If you approach this in a gentle and calm manner, maybe she will open up and you both can lay everything out and decide what can change to make you both happier. I know in my situation that is what I would want.
 

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