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VanillaCreme said:
Become immune to it? I don't know about that.

Yeah i don't know about that either. There are a few members on here that because of repeated rejections have become incredibly bitter and closed to any possibility that people may actually show interest in them and not be the ******** they automatically label them to be.

There have been scientific studies done that have shown that social rejection lights up the same part of the brain used to feel physical pain…and with physical pain I don't think you can become immune to that. It just makes your life a misery.
 
Despicable Me said:
I'm not sure why everyone here is getting so down on M for messaging a bunch of girls. Maybe it's not the best thing to just message a bunch of girls just to say Hi, but is it really going to hurt? Maybe some of you should give it a try instead of just condemning it? Worth a shot, huh? And maybe it'll work for some of you like it worked for M here. :p

In any case, just show some interest in her M. It sounds to me like someone is opening up to you, that's awesome. :)
She showed you some paintings so talk to her about that stuff. Tell her what you like about her paintings. Ask her if she does anything else like that. Tell her some stuff you like that might be related. Briefly mention something about your own hobbies/interests and see if she says anything. Follow along with the things she talks about and try to participate and actually show interest. Don't just ask her for "updates" on her hobbies. That would be weird. But maybe if you haven't talked in a while you could message her and ask if she has painted anything new lately, just to try start up a new conversation. Don't do it too often or else you'll come across as 'needy' or annoying. Just an occasional "How are you doing?" and things like that so you don't fall out of touch.
Also, if you think the conversation gets a little awkward at some point, apologize and tell her something like how you don't have that many people to talk to and you're 'a little out of practice' or something like that. Hopefully she'll understand.

If you're really wanting to know 'Why?' and it's bugging you not to know, and feel it's an appropriate time to ask, you could tell her you were just wondering why she's talking to you now when she never did before. Maybe she is actually lonelier than she appears. Maybe she was only mean to you before because she felt peer-pressure and she gave in, so maybe now she is trying to change or has already done so. Who knows? You can't know unless you ask. Might as well if you have nothing else to talk about.

Oh, and if you happen to see her around in real life, don't forget to give a friendly 'Hi' as you pass by or whatever. Don't linger for a conversation, unless it looks like she is wanting to talk to you, but just enough that it shows her a sign that you're acknowledging her existence.

I don't know how else to give suggestions about how to have a conversation. Just talk! It doesn't really matter what you talk about as long as you are showing interest in her or it is something she might be interested in. Think of it kind of like an 'exchange'. If she says something, you are expected to say something related in return, and it goes back and forth like this indefinitely.

I was just waiting for your reply. Well, you know, I open the forun almost 1000 times a day to see if anybody has replied. But it takes a lot of time to figure out what to say in return.

Yes everyone thinks I have done wrong. Then the worst thing that would happen as a result is that they wouldnt talk to me in future or talk bad about me to each other. Well, that was already happening. So I am not at loss. And look, someone talked to me and gave number withiut asked for. What could be better than that.


Batman55 said:
h3donist said:
Sending "hi" to 38 women and seeing who responds is quite a shallow thing to do as you aren't showing any genuine interest, you're just casting a net and seeing who you catch, regardless of whether you truly like them or not. It doesn't seem very respectful. What would happen if one did genuinely like you and was thrilled to receive a message from you, only for her to discover that her friends had received the same message? How special does that make her feel?

Are you sure about this? Don't we all have to become immune to rejection anyway? Don't we have to take risks? I could go on.

I see your point, but in my opinion as far as the OP goes, he's done worse.

Whats worse in it. Its not that I sat, collected list of 38 people and sent them HI. I was so ****** up and lonely that day that I got on facebook and sent Hi to every girl I saw. Not to guya because I didnt want get bullied or insulted. If guys dont want to talk, they talk ****** words. If girls dont want to talk, they just dont. Thats why girls.
 
h3donist said:
I don't think we have to become immune to rejection at all - on the contrary in fact, rejection is an important emotion to feel as it means a lot more to us when we are finally accepted. It's horrible I know, but to go through life avoiding rejection is to never feel any of the highs either. Reminds me of a song lyric "You have to risk your heart for love to find you" - dead true. Yes of course we have to take risks - that's what being alive is all about.

Accept it/become immune to it, relatively similar. Basically I meant learning to stop making "value judgments" about yourself once you get rejected. Of course, the fact remains nobody likes rejection, this won't change even with acceptance. But.. you can learn to cushion the blow, and that's done with experience... by taking risks. Imagine being a beekeeper. I think you get the analogy, haha.

Taking risks: precisely my point. That's why I'm surprised you would tell him not to send social media messages to his classmates. Even if it does seem shallow.. doesn't he have to try different things? I mean, everyone's telling him to reach out a bit, put himself out there, take risks; then when he does, you tell him to stop.. :rolleyes:
 
Batman55 said:
Accept it/become immune to it, relatively similar. Basically I meant learning to stop making "value judgments" about yourself once you get rejected. Of course, the fact remains nobody likes rejection, this won't change even with acceptance. But.. you can learn to cushion the blow, and that's done with experience... by taking risks. Imagine being a beekeeper. I think you get the analogy, haha.

Taking risks: precisely my point. That's why I'm surprised you would tell him not to send social media messages to his classmates. Even if it does seem shallow.. doesn't he have to try different things? I mean, everyone's telling him to reach out a bit, put himself out there, take risks; then when he does, you tell him to stop.. :rolleyes:

Okay, I can agree with the value judging. I think the association between rejection and self-value is a horrid one. Some people think that because they don't get what they want - that instant gratification - that they must not be good enough. Or if a girl/guy doesn't reciprocate their feelings, that they must not be good enough. And that's simply not true. It doesn't mean that a person isn't good enough. It means that you're not supposed to get everything you want, when you want it. That mentality of goodness forbid someone doesn't like a person, that person must now go throw a tantrum. It's childish and archaic.

However, I wouldn't equate sending random messages to people on a social networking site that he otherwise wouldn't even talk to as taking a risk. That's not taking a risk. That's not experience of life. That's sending random messages on a random social site. Don't even care if it's shallow or not; That's besides the point. Social networking sites have taken a life all on their own, but participating on them doesn't mean someone is experiencing life. That's like playing a rollercoaster game and saying that you've been on a rollercoaster.
 
VanillaCreme said:
Okay, I can agree with the value judging. I think the association between rejection and self-value is a horrid one. Some people think that because they don't get what they want - that instant gratification - that they must not be good enough. Or if a girl/guy doesn't reciprocate their feelings, that they must not be good enough. And that's simply not true. It doesn't mean that a person isn't good enough. It means that you're not supposed to get everything you want, when you want it. That mentality of goodness forbid someone doesn't like a person, that person must now go throw a tantrum. It's childish and archaic.

We agree mostly, in this case. But "childish"... that I could do without. Some people have a lot of trouble with rejection... some, like myself, are highly oversensitive. It's something I've always had to deal with, so I resent the "childish" implication and I wouldn't generally use it to describe other men who have trouble with rejection. Entitlement/narcissism may be a better description.. but let's be honest here, that's an epidemic in the kind of society we live in.
 
Batman55 said:
VanillaCreme said:
Okay, I can agree with the value judging. I think the association between rejection and self-value is a horrid one. Some people think that because they don't get what they want - that instant gratification - that they must not be good enough. Or if a girl/guy doesn't reciprocate their feelings, that they must not be good enough. And that's simply not true. It doesn't mean that a person isn't good enough. It means that you're not supposed to get everything you want, when you want it. That mentality of goodness forbid someone doesn't like a person, that person must now go throw a tantrum. It's childish and archaic.

We agree mostly, in this case. But "childish"... that I could do without. Some people have a lot of trouble with rejection... some, like myself, are highly oversensitive. It's something I've always had to deal with, so I resent the "childish" implication and I wouldn't generally use it to describe other men who have trouble with rejection. Entitlement/narcissism may be a better description.. but let's be honest here, that's an epidemic in the kind of society we live in.

The childish wasn't towards being sensitive. It was towards throwing a tantrum.
 
VanillaCreme said:
The childish wasn't towards being sensitive. It was towards throwing a tantrum.

I get it. Guess I misconstrued things a little :rolleyes:
 
VanillaCreme said:
Batman55 said:
Accept it/become immune to it, relatively similar. Basically I meant learning to stop making "value judgments" about yourself once you get rejected. Of course, the fact remains nobody likes rejection, this won't change even with acceptance. But.. you can learn to cushion the blow, and that's done with experience... by taking risks. Imagine being a beekeeper. I think you get the analogy, haha.

Taking risks: precisely my point. That's why I'm surprised you would tell him not to send social media messages to his classmates. Even if it does seem shallow.. doesn't he have to try different things? I mean, everyone's telling him to reach out a bit, put himself out there, take risks; then when he does, you tell him to stop.. :rolleyes:

Okay, I can agree with the value judging. I think the association between rejection and self-value is a horrid one. Some people think that because they don't get what they want - that instant gratification - that they must not be good enough. Or if a girl/guy doesn't reciprocate their feelings, that they must not be good enough. And that's simply not true. It doesn't mean that a person isn't good enough. It means that you're not supposed to get everything you want, when you want it. That mentality of goodness forbid someone doesn't like a person, that person must now go throw a tantrum. It's childish and archaic.

Huh...some people will spend their entire lives in a state of 'delayed gratification'. Describing that in terms of fate is not really appropriate. The reason people don't reciprocate is obviously because they're not attracted to that person, which probably has nothing to do with what that person does or or fails to do, obviously not a value judgement either.
 
ardour said:
Huh...some people will spend their entire lives in a state of 'delayed gratification'. Describing that in terms of fate is not really appropriate. The reason people don't reciprocate is obviously because they're not attracted to that person, which probably has nothing to do with what that person does or or fails to do, obviously not a value judgement either.

If you're trying to argue with me, I don't know why. Because that's essentially saying the same as I did. It doesn't have anything to do with the person if someone doesn't reciprocate. Which is why I said the connection between that and self-worth and value is a horrid one.
 

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