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A lot of posts on here from people complaining over the while that I've frequented this site have shown me one major thing that a lot of people can take advice from.

If you are out of shape, unfashionable, socially inept, "independent" (non-conformist).... then society is not going to care about you. Society cares about being in shape, being fashionable, they like to talk, and they typically like popular things.

If you dont make the effort to date, then people aren't going to notice you. You can't just sit around being a nobody, dressing what isn't considered attractive, being fat, and mumbling to yourself and expect anyone to be interested in you.

There seems to be a lot of blaming going on in these forums, I know a lot of people come here for help. But it gets old to see the same thousand posts with someone who is "independent" and doesnt like "the game" when it's apparent that its some out of shape anti-social person who at 27 still wears their video game t-shirts can't figure out why people aren't interested in them. Sure, there are people out there that want that, a VERY VERY VERY small portion of people.

You all know this before you post your topics, you just want someone to tell you that it isnt YOUR fault, it's societies. Hell, how many of these posts actively attack society in them?

Don't blame other people for not wanting you when YOU arent willing to make yourself into whatever people want. It's apparent from I would say somewhere in middle school how we have to act and be to be a viable member of the social entity that is humanity.

You aren't special, unique, or anything else that lets you be exempt from these rules. If you were, you wouldn't be on these forums needing help because you then would be exempt from the rules and not have problems.

So instead of sitting here whining, put down the doughnuts, go run some, pick of a copy of "mens health, womens health, GQ, whatever," go to a NICE place to get a haircut (guys you too), and realize that you aren't a tool for fitting in, you are simply someone that fits in. Your confidence will go up as you look better, people will talk to you more, like you more, and you will feel better.

I know, I know, who am I to say this? I'm the guy who spent x number of years as that independent person, then I grew the hell up. Now I'm in shape, I dress nice, I wear what is fashionable, i look DAMN good, I'm confident, comfortable, and women THROW themselves at me.

Sorry if you don't like a bit of tough love, but it gets old seeing people blame other crap when they KNOW what the problem is.


PS: No, I didnt follow the book when I wrote this HOWEVER, I seriously recommend picking up "How to win friends and influence others" I know it sounds like a cheesy self help book but its been around for a long time and is actually a GREAT read, good for more than just friendships or relationships too, will help out with business or whatever.
 
Conform! Conform! Everyone get in line, act like this, talk like this, dress like this. Your life will be much better if you're a drone and become a image of a person who's a dime a dozen. This world wasn't built by dreamers and individual thinkers who thought outside the box. Everyone stay in the box. Conform! Conform! /sarcasm



The rest of you who have your own mind, and aren't some boring cookie-cutter drone, you're the people who make life interesting and worth being a part of. Keep at it. Be who you are and not who everyone else wants you to be. Sure, it comes with a few problems, but so does any decision in life.

The drones don't like the individualists and the individualists don't like the drones. They'll probably never be friends. But there's plenty of free thinkers in this world and that's who the individualists are best suited for.

Free your mind, free your soul. Be the person you were meant to be, not the person someone else told you to be.

I'm gonna wear my Rorschach t-shirt, I'm gonna be over weight, I'm gonna be a social ******, and I'm not gonna give a flying rats tookus what society thinks because society isn't my friend.

“A friend is someone who understands your past, believes in your future, and accepts you just the way you are.”
 
I completely agree with everything tehdreamer said.

The answer isn't to just act the way everybody else wants and what everyone else thinks is good. I would much rather be myself and be accepted by only a few than be someone who I am not and be accepted my many. As has been said, those are the interesting people, not people who would just be a cookie-cutter model.
 
'You laugh at me because I'm different....

I laugh at you because you're all the same...'
 
yea... im just going to be me and no one else. i like what i like, age doesnt matter. if i tried to be something im not i would be more unhappy. i am who i am and i make no apologies for it.
 
Who the hell wrote "the rules," anyway? Give me a break. I've done just fine being my own person. I know that the friends whom I have made like me for who I am rather than for how well I conform to a ridiculous set of rules.

Your recent attempts at "tough love" just come across belligerent and arrogant. It is entirely up to you, and perhaps you really don't care how people receive your comments, but you might want to work on your tone a bit, then maybe people wouldn't get their backs up at your posts.

Also, this is at least the 2nd post I've seen from you recently where you are bragging about how many women have been throwing themselves at you since you wised up.

Congratulations on your success. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are just like you and would like scads of people throwing themselves at them, but others might be content with just that one special person.
 
Hmmm... what about if you've tried to follow the herd and it led you off a cliff?

Thinking it's possible to turn on this magic social confidence as easily as a light switch is ... well ... good for you. But it sounds like Joe Cole telling me "Hey ANYONE can play football right, just kick a ball and try really hard and you'll be snapped up by a Premiership Club [or NFL whatever for those fans of alternative sports]". Just coz it's worked for you (and fair play, ya lucky get) don't make the false assumption that it's the same for everyone.

Would you tell someone in a wheelchair they could walk like everyone else if only they stopped moaning about a lack of ramps? Nope.

So far I've not seen any posts that blame mainstream society for that poster's social problems. I have seen occasional, understandable bitterness that certain parts of society assume that just coz THEY find it easy to integrate, they can treat the people who don't find it easy like S**T.
 
Papabear said:
A lot of posts on here from people complaining over the while that I've frequented this site have shown me one major thing that a lot of people can take advice from.

If you are out of shape, unfashionable, socially inept, "independent" (non-conformist).... then society is not going to care about you. Society cares about being in shape, being fashionable, they like to talk, and they typically like popular things.

If you dont make the effort to date, then people aren't going to notice you. You can't just sit around being a nobody, dressing what isn't considered attractive, being fat, and mumbling to yourself and expect anyone to be interested in you.

There seems to be a lot of blaming going on in these forums, I know a lot of people come here for help. But it gets old to see the same thousand posts with someone who is "independent" and doesnt like "the game" when it's apparent that its some out of shape anti-social person who at 27 still wears their video game t-shirts can't figure out why people aren't interested in them. Sure, there are people out there that want that, a VERY VERY VERY small portion of people.

You all know this before you post your topics, you just want someone to tell you that it isnt YOUR fault, it's societies. Hell, how many of these posts actively attack society in them?

Don't blame other people for not wanting you when YOU arent willing to make yourself into whatever people want. It's apparent from I would say somewhere in middle school how we have to act and be to be a viable member of the social entity that is humanity.

You aren't special, unique, or anything else that lets you be exempt from these rules. If you were, you wouldn't be on these forums needing help because you then would be exempt from the rules and not have problems.

So instead of sitting here whining, put down the doughnuts, go run some, pick of a copy of "mens health, womens health, GQ, whatever," go to a NICE place to get a haircut (guys you too), and realize that you aren't a tool for fitting in, you are simply someone that fits in. Your confidence will go up as you look better, people will talk to you more, like you more, and you will feel better.

I know, I know, who am I to say this? I'm the guy who spent x number of years as that independent person, then I grew the hell up. Now I'm in shape, I dress nice, I wear what is fashionable, i look DAMN good, I'm confident, comfortable, and women THROW themselves at me.

Sorry if you don't like a bit of tough love, but it gets old seeing people blame other crap when they KNOW what the problem is.


PS: No, I didnt follow the book when I wrote this HOWEVER, I seriously recommend picking up "How to win friends and influence others" I know it sounds like a cheesy self help book but its been around for a long time and is actually a GREAT read, good for more than just friendships or relationships too, will help out with business or whatever.

Okay, I'm a guy that's had two relationships within the past year, the last of which was with an attractive woman eight-years younger and from an upper-middle class family living in a nice neighborhood, who used to drive ME around as I have no car. So even though I'm single now... I'm doing alright.

No offense, but it does not surprise me in the least that someone in the military is advising others to conform. That's basically one of the main requirements, following orders. You also live in Kentucky. That doesn't exactly strike me as a bastion for unique individuals, non-conformists and intellectualism. I mean, is a first date Wal-Mart followed by the UFC fight?

And if it sounds like I'm generalizing... well, that's kind of a pot calling kettle black situation, right?
 
I wouldn't mind a date being taken to the Walmart and then watching a UFC fight.
 
Papabear said:
If you are out of shape, unfashionable, socially inept, "independent" (non-conformist).... then society is not going to care about you. Society cares about being in shape, being fashionable, they like to talk, and they typically like popular things.

I care more about the people I know and meet than some nebulous entity called society. Society might not care, but I care about them and they care about me :)

Papabear said:
If you dont make the effort to date, then people aren't going to notice you. You can't just sit around being a nobody, dressing what isn't considered attractive, being fat, and mumbling to yourself and expect anyone to be interested in you.

I agree that if you want something, you have to get off your *** and make a move. It's your life. Own it.

Papabear said:
There seems to be a lot of blaming going on in these forums

Some people come here to get help and advice, others come to socialize. Some come to vent, and others just like to wallow. But the people who are feeling vulnerable could benefit from a more tactful and caring approach. There are better ways of communicating your ideas. I would suggest reading How to Win Friends & Influence People.

Papabear said:
You all know this before you post your topics, you just want someone to tell you that it isnt YOUR fault, it's societies. Hell, how many of these posts actively attack society in them?

You're making broad assumptions about people you don't even really know. That's probably why what you said was so silly. I don't know how many posts here attack society. If you could give an actual statistic, then maybe you could start to make an actual point.

Papabear said:
You aren't special, unique, or anything else that lets you be exempt from these rules. If you were, you wouldn't be on these forums needing help because you then would be exempt from the rules and not have problems.

Again, maybe you should try the ideas put forth in this book.

Papabear said:
Sorry if you don't like a bit of tough love, but it gets old seeing people blame other crap when they KNOW what the problem is.

You really don't have to stay here and read our frustratingly misguided drivel. If you want to stay and be helpful, you could take a few lessons from here. But if you have a savior complex, we've had our fill of that kind of arrogance. Thank you ;)
 
With that being said, this might be a bit early, but before this turns into the mud-slinging match of the century, this thread shall be closed.
 
Here's the thing...

ANY bit of truth or useful advice you may have for anyone else, is rendered null because you have the "appearance" of looking down your nose at everyone else and you use NO tact when trying to give advice to others. In fact, you really don't come across as trying to "help" or "give advice" as much as you do putting others down and being condescending. "Tough love" doesn't really work for many people. It just makes them feel that much worse about themselves, especially when ther person passing out the tough love appears to be downright hateful.
You should consider tempering your words. Seriously.
 
Oh, and it's "How to Win Friends and Influence People". Most people know the titles of books they recommend.
 
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