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This is different though.
It's absolutely not the super criminal mastermind joker.
This is just a poor guy who works low paying job as an agency clown and is treated horribly because he is awkward and different.
This is not the "Jack Nicholson" joker.
It's really not even any Joker from the comic books.
It's pretty much any guy who was mercilessly picked on in school.
Watch the movie. It's very unique.
I agree, I feel like it painted a picture of a kind of man that went ignored in society for a long time.
The type to have a sick mother and no father figure. The type to be seens as weird and creepy due to a neurological disorder. Was interesting, I feel like people didnt like it because it peeked into the incel rage everyone was seeing online.
 
So I watched this last night, it was a bit disappointing to be honest. The production design is great. Phoenix puts in a good performance, though not his best.

It's obviously a laborious and pointless homage to the Scorsese/De Niro classic The King of Comedy with a bit of Taxi Driver thrown in, the connection is signalled by the casting of De Niro himself, which means that at various moments it’s a bit like The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver, only not as good.
 
Travis Bickle was closer in every way to an incel than Arthur Flek, but the film is a classic, and almost 50 years old.
 
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That reminds me, I'd been meaning to ask you -
from what I've read about NYC in the '70s and '80s, it looked like a pretty scary place.
As someone who was actually there during that time, what was it really like?
There was considerably more violent crime than now, but it was mostly in certain areas. and everyone knew of these areas.
Yes, there were random muggings in nice areas, but you would NEVER see a "flash mob" robbery at a 5th avenue luxury store.
So crime was more prevalent back then, but much less brazen.
There was a certain fear among criminals back then about venturing into certain areas. That fear now seems to be gone, or at least waning.

Personally, I can tell you there is an ENORMOUS difference as far as "ladies of the evening" go.
On a Saturday night on 11th Ave on the west side, or Park Ave on the east side, there would be hundreds upon hundreds of girls working.
And when I say girls, yes, I mean many (at least 50%) of them were teens. And their pimps were in full view.
The typical fee was 100/hr if you went to a hotel, and the hotels ranges from $20 to $30.
This eventually came to a halt once Rudy was elected mayor.
And that was when I switched from streetwalkers to escort agencies.
So for people who like to associate Rudy with what they feel are negative things, I would ask that you consider he ALONE was responsible for completely dismantling the Manhattan streetwalker scene and the parasitic pimps who abused and exploited these girls.
Hypocritical of me to say this, given that I participated as a customer?
Perhaps.
But I did care about and show concern to the regulars I had back then. They seemed not to care much about my concerns for them.

Lastly, the presence of peep shows and live sex shows was very common back then, especially in Times Square.
There were just so many.
Those days are long gone.
Now you have "The Lion King", "Ripley's", "Dave and Busters", "BB Kings", and "Madame Toussads".
The edge is gone on 42nd St.
I miss the old days.
I knew the risks and went in prepared.
It's now a "family friendly fun land", and TBH, not so much fun anymore...
 
There was considerably more violent crime than now, but it was mostly in certain areas. and everyone knew of these areas.
Yes, there were random muggings in nice areas, but you would NEVER see a "flash mob" robbery at a 5th avenue luxury store.
So crime was more prevalent back then, but much less brazen.
There was a certain fear among criminals back then about venturing into certain areas. That fear now seems to be gone, or at least waning.

Personally, I can tell you there is an ENORMOUS difference as far as "ladies of the evening" go.
On a Saturday night on 11th Ave on the west side, or Park Ave on the east side, there would be hundreds upon hundreds of girls working.
And when I say girls, yes, I mean many (at least 50%) of them were teens. And their pimps were in full view.
The typical fee was 100/hr if you went to a hotel, and the hotels ranges from $20 to $30.
This eventually came to a halt once Rudy was elected mayor.
And that was when I switched from streetwalkers to escort agencies.
So for people who like to associate Rudy with what they feel are negative things, I would ask that you consider he ALONE was responsible for completely dismantling the Manhattan streetwalker scene and the parasitic pimps who abused and exploited these girls.
Hypocritical of me to say this, given that I participated as a customer?
Perhaps.
But I did care about and show concern to the regulars I had back then. They seemed not to care much about my concerns for them.

Lastly, the presence of peep shows and live sex shows was very common back then, especially in Times Square.
There were just so many.
Those days are long gone.
Now you have "The Lion King", "Ripley's", "Dave and Busters", "BB Kings", and "Madame Toussads".
The edge is gone on 42nd St.
I miss the old days.
I knew the risks and went in prepared.
It's now a "family friendly fun land", and TBH, not so much fun anymore...
That's a lot like Montreal now, tbh. I live in one of those"known" areas. You don't see cops iften and they don't stick around when you do past sundown.
 
I still haven't seen any of the SS or Joker movies, but I know I'd love them! Always love the villains the most. Joker's right up my alley with most people I know.
 
Haven't seen this yet, but my brother raves about it.

It feels a little too late to reply to anyone, but the point made about free will. I agree, but the joker (not sure about this movie) is crazy. If it were just bad things happened so I chose to do this as revenge, I get that's wrong thinking. But someone as mentally diseased as the joker wouldn't understand, that's the point. I assume this movie is about how he finally snaps, and I haven't watched it yet bc it's so dark. I can see how it would be hard to relate to someone like this though.

I've been in medication before that made me feel like I was losing my mind, and in the interview @TropicalStarfish shared, Phoenix said this guy was supposed to be on 7 medications... The effect that can have on a person...

Anyway I might feel up to watching this today.
 
Haven't seen the newer Joker movies. I think film should set an example of the inherent goodness in people. I don't like the idea of an expose on just breaking a character and watching them rot to the core. Haven't seen the movie, though, maybe there is more to it than that.

I used to watch "The Walking Dead," (way back now, wow..). I was really disappointed when the main character Rick, was broken. I stopped watching after that.
 
Haven't seen the newer Joker movies. I think film should set an example of the inherent goodness in people. I don't like the idea of an expose on just breaking a character and watching them rot to the core. Haven't seen the movie, though, maybe there is more to it than that.

I used to watch "The Walking Dead," (way back now, wow..). I was really disappointed when the main character Rick, was broken. I stopped watching after that.

Same the dark survival stuff is really only entertaining as long as they have hope. Walking dead got way too dark for me. I remember a saying about how we have two animals in our mind and whichever one we feed more, that's the one that grows. It was meant more as a morality lesson, but I feel it applies here too.
 
Same the dark survival stuff is really only entertaining as long as they have hope. Walking dead got way too dark for me. I remember a saying about how we have two animals in our mind and whichever one we feed more, that's the one that grows. It was meant more as a morality lesson, but I feel it applies here too.
I am a huge lover of dark types of things. I really want to see anything Joker and I watched the entire series of The Walked Dead, except for the spin-offs as they weren't as interesting.
 

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