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    Is Therapy Worth It For Being Ugly?

    But again, it's currently only truth because you say it is, that's not how things work. I don't mean to be stand-off-ish here, but saying there's no such thing as being ugly is just factually incorrect. How do you believe I've misrepresented myself? I believe I've given as much information as I...
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    Is Therapy Worth It For Being Ugly?

    It's Occam's Razor; the simplest answer is usually the correct one. So you have a person who is funny, kind, with a decent job, plenty of social hobbies and a muscular physique. This person has made it to his 30s without anybody being attracted to him, with many actively stating he is ugly...
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    Is Therapy Worth It For Being Ugly?

    Honestly, I'm not sure on that one. I know therapy can be provided on our national health service, but I've no idea what for, or for how long. It seems utterly bizarre to me to go into a doctor's office and say "Doctor doctor, I'm sad because girls don't like me!" and expect this person who went...
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    Is Therapy Worth It For Being Ugly?

    Honestly, I have no idea. I guess that's the difference between 'subjective' and 'objective': subjectively there are men who I think are worse looking than me, but are doing better than me. Objectively, they must be somewhat better looking than me, because more than zero people want to be with...
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    Is Therapy Worth It For Being Ugly?

    So, not exactly a "new" topic for me, but over the last year I've been open with the fact that I'm depressed, and it's down to the fact that women want nothing to do with me because I'm seen as unattractive. I've had zero girlfriends, and other than a handful of drunken one-night stands...
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    I’m an adult with no friends

    Talk to the person next to you. Really, that's the way these things tend to happen. Those friends we made in school? It's not because they were the absolute best people, it's because we were literally stuck in classes with them 35hrs a week, so we just talked to each other, and picked the ones...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    This again? We had this a couple of months ago, and I still don't feel I got to the bottom of it. You whinge and moan about being unskilled, not being able to complete basic "man tasks", and that you feel humiliated by it, but express zero desire to change this and actually learn any of those...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    If you don't mind me asking, what is it that's kept you from asking a girl out, or even making friends, at your age?
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    Beginning to feel suicidal

    Hi there. I'm really glad things turned around for you and that you held on in there. As I continue to mention in this thread, I am still not looking for "The Right Girl" (or any other phrasing) and generally just want to be found attractive by more people than zero.
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    See, I don't want to call 'bullshirt', it just seems like an odd move that anyone in these forums is hanging out at swanky rooftop bars and has no issue approaching a group of random attractive women, asking if they want to join them. Maybe it's a cultural thing, in the UK that's just not a move...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    Right... ballpark figure here sparky, how many times would you say you've been at a swanky rooftop bar, and approached a group of attractive strangers whom you've never spoken to before, to ask one of them out?
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    Right, but whatever it is, there's an audience, something is done to you in front of several others, that in some way lowers their perception of you. Someone who is already not going to go out with you, she's already made that up in her mind, telling that to you because you asked, does not fit...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    I can only speak from my own experience; I felt that Unsigned was speaking for all of us when he said that being rejected is humiliating, which has not been my experience. That is to say, whilst I am being rejected at a depressing rate, I don't consider it "humiliation". Humiliation is public...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    Speak for yourself, bud. I've got a rejection rate of damn near 100%, but I've never felt "public humiliation" as you describe it. Largely, because I tend to ask people out in a more one-to-one setting. Yes, hot guys have it easier, it's hardly a newsflash, but this idea that ugly people, and...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    I understand it's hard to take my word for it, but I honestly don't believe I'm only talking to shallow women, they really are from all different walks of life with different personalities and mindsets, personally I just believe that women wanting a man who embodies "The Full Package" includes...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    Absolutely not. Hand/eye coordination is a learned skill. We all start with a baseline of next to zero, we're flailing babies, and it is developed over time. Children who take up sports and physical activities have far better coordination than those who do not, you might say that being forced...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    I'm sure we've had this before, but there really is no such thing as 'talent' as in a magical gift you're born with. Tiger Woods isn't Tiger Woods because he's naturally better at golf than anyone, he's like that because his dad (also a pro golfer) put a golf club in his hands at 18 months old...
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    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    That's certainly an interesting one for you, what exactly about yourself do you think is insufficiently masculine to compete in today's dating game? Really, as society becomes more gender-neutral, a man no longer has to be the burly protector or the breadwinner to do well for himself, I know...
  19. M

    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    Yes, that's basically the mindset that is resonating with me, and I hate that it does. Most of my friends are moderately attractive to very attractive, and they don't believe me when I tell them it's a different world out there for me. Right, for the record I've got no confidence issues...
  20. M

    Men - do you feel yourself becoming an 'incel'?

    If it's a choice, it sure ain't my choice, it's theirs! 😂 Honestly, it feels like that entire reply was written by ChatGPT.
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