Is Therapy Worth It For Being Ugly?

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MysteriousTelephone

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So, not exactly a "new" topic for me, but over the last year I've been open with the fact that I'm depressed, and it's down to the fact that women want nothing to do with me because I'm seen as unattractive. I've had zero girlfriends, and other than a handful of drunken one-night stands, absolutely nothing, not even a match on any of the dating apps I'm on.

I've spent years working out and improving my jobs in hope to change this, but has been ineffective. So I have a muscular physique, renting with a fairly decent job, but that's not helped me. I'm very social, part of several clubs and hobbies that do have an inflow of single women looking for a man, seen a lot of men get 'snapped up' very quickly. I've got no problem easily approaching people and holding a conversation, which has led to making new friends very easily, but on the topic of anything further it defaults to "Ewww, no!", I would say I get made fun of for being ugly about 2-3 times per month, every month, for as long as I've been alive. So you might say this is not something I've made up or need to "boost confidence about", it's fairly conclusive evidence at this point.

This, for many years now, has brought me to a depressive state, because the idea of just living, going to work and seeing friends for the next 40 years, while being ugly & unwanted, just makes me want to kill myself. There really is nothing else I want, other than to be wanted by more than zero people, and if I can't get it, what's the point?

Though I've asked my friends for advice over the years, it's largely been unhelpful; they've led very different lives and don't seem to understand, or even believe where I'm coming from. They mean well, but just point to distractions such as "Why don't you go travel the world?" or "Have you thought about moving house?" as though these things are in any way related to the situation I'm describing. I feel like people are very quick to suggest things, but aren't ready for a follow-up question. When they say "Why not go backpacking across the world?" I will ask "How does that help with the being ugly & unwanted thing?" they just go quiet and can't really provide an answer.

Now, to the topic of therapy. I've recently confided in a close friend just exactly how I'm feeling, and it's made her worried as you'd expect. She believes I should go to a doctor about this and begin therapy. I'm torn. On one hand, I have to accept her point that what I'm doing is not working, so I need to try another approach. On the other hand, I'm not fully convinced that talking to someone about my childhood is in any way going to solve the "ugly & unwanted" situation that I'm in. The best case scenario that I can think of, is that I'll continue to be ugly & unwanted, but I'll.... feel better about it? I just don't see it as a solution to the problem I'm having, but at the same time I agree that something needs to change or it's possible that I will end up killing myself.

I feel very stuck as there seems to be no "set path" to getting what I want, there just seems to be a list of "Well you might feel better about it?" suggestions.
 
Ok, so just calling it unattractive like you want, let me ask you this. How do you think other unattractive people get thru life? How do they get partners? There are many people who we might consider unattractive, but they’ve managed. So what are they doing differently to you? In that way, a therapist might help you change your viewpoint.
 
On the other hand, I'm not fully convinced that talking to someone about my childhood is in any way going to solve the "ugly & unwanted" situation that I'm in.
I've gone to therapists twice in my life.
The first guy was in 2004 and he was actually very decent. A nice understanding guy who was also reasonably priced (for the time).
Did it make me stop seeing escorts and find a GF?
No.
But he did have some good advice and probably could have helped me further, but I decided to just quit the sessions.
He also had a fantastic insight about something in my life.
Correctly predicted what my "sugar baby" at the time would do when I tried to break off with her.
I should have stuck with seeing him.


The second guy was terrible. Saw him in 2016. Very expensive. Was more than double the first guy.
Told me how "fascinating" my "hooker stories" were and that I should write a book.
Gave me no usable advice.
I quit after 4 session (which were 45 mins, not 1 hour).
180 mins and $1040 that I will never get back...

So...my advice is...it depends on the therapist. Give it a shot and go with your gut.
If you think he is helping, then stick with him (or her).
If not, dump them like dirty bathwater.
But give it a shot. It certainly can't hurt.

BTW, do you have any female relatives around your age?
Maybe they can try to set you up?
 
Ok, so just calling it unattractive like you want, let me ask you this. How do you think other unattractive people get thru life? How do they get partners? There are many people who we might consider unattractive, but they’ve managed. So what are they doing differently to you? In that way, a therapist might help you change your viewpoint.
Honestly, I have no idea. I guess that's the difference between 'subjective' and 'objective': subjectively there are men who I think are worse looking than me, but are doing better than me. Objectively, they must be somewhat better looking than me, because more than zero people want to be with them. I can't explain it. You watch Jeremy Kyle and there's a smackhead with three teeth having two women fighting over him, and I can't get a date.

BTW, do you have any female relatives around your age?
Maybe they can try to set you up?

I've definitely asked my female friends around my age, to varying results. One did try to set me up on a fairly blind date, but at the point where we swapped photos, she mysteriously lost interest.
 
My thought: what have you got to lose? Seeing a therapist is either going to help or it won’t. If it does, then more power to you. If it doesn’t, at least you can say you tried. Do you have coverage for therapy through work or would you have to pay out of pocket?
 
Personally, I think therapy would be good for most people. Like Ringwood said, what do you have to lose? Worse case scenario, it helps you in other areas. Everyone has those other areas.
 
Honestly, I have no idea. I guess that's the difference between 'subjective' and 'objective': subjectively there are men who I think are worse looking than me, but are doing better than me. Objectively, they must be somewhat better looking than me, because more than zero people want to be with them. I can't explain it. You watch Jeremy Kyle and there's a smackhead with three teeth having two women fighting over him, and I can't get a date.
So doesn't that give you more of an insight that it's not your looks then, so perhaps therapy or at least some sort of tutorials in self-confidence or people skills might help? Ugly people are exuding something that is attracting others, whether it be money, charm, power. Charisma. I think it's charisma. Once we can nail that charisma skill we'll have people desperate to be with us.
 

Is Therapy Worth It For Being Ugly?​

Why would therapy have anything to do with being ugly? There is no such thing as "ugly". It doesn't exist. If you think it exists then there's your problem. So, maybe therapy can cure you of thinking people are ugly.
 
Why would therapy have anything to do with being ugly? There is no such thing as "ugly". It doesn't exist. If you think it exists then there's your problem. So, maybe therapy can cure you of thinking people are ugly.
There a DEFINITELY ugly people around. Let's not pretend there aren't. I know the arguments that you're going to put forward, but let's be totally honest. There are people who we would feel totally uncomfortable sitting next to for various reasons. If you say otherwise, you're a liar.
 
There, you see how easy it was to identify your problem?. Now all you need to do is to expell yor demon and go forward in life. 🧐
No, he's right.
I can admit that I am ugly.
How do I know?
Because I have never had a girlfriend.
If hot girls didn't want me my whole life, OF COURSE I am ugly (unattractive to hot girls).
There are guys to whom hot girls THROW themselves.
I am not one of those guys.
Therefore I am ugly.
That's just the way our disgusting post 1960s world works.
 
No, he's right.
I can admit that I am ugly.
How do I know?
Because I have never had a girlfriend.
If hot girls didn't want me my whole life, OF COURSE I am ugly (unattractive to hot girls).
There are guys to whom hot girls THROW themselves.
I am not one of those guys.
Therefore I am ugly.
That's just the way our disgusting post 1960s world works.

That's some terrible logic right there. I've never had a girlfriend myself, yet I can't recall a single time anyone called me ugly in a serious way, and the only time I rememeber it was a joke. I've lost count of how many times women said I'm attractive or good-looking and, oddly enough, girls used to love me when I was a kid. One girl I used to know actually swore to me she would marry me once she could, but since my father, who was then divorced, broke up the relationship he had with the girl's mother, I never saw her again. She was probably like 6 at the time and I must have been 8 or something. Crazy stuff. Still, no girlfriend.
 
That's some terrible logic right there.
I can agree with that. Just cause you haven't been with someone doesn't mean you're ugly. Besides I like to believe most people understand attractiveness isn't just how a person looks. Pretty childish to think that. It's like others said before charisma/other skills/being funny and money don't hurt of course/stability is looked for and all. Just hooking up is a different thing too. Anyway I think most people understand attractiveness involves a full package and therapy for anything is dope. I've never had therapy but I've had a couple therapeutic friends and that was sweet.
 
Also like no offense with that word childish I used whatsoever. I don't do this advice stuff much at all and I mean I do childish **** all the time too
 
No, he's right.
I can admit that I am ugly.
How do I know?
Because I have never had a girlfriend.
If hot girls didn't want me my whole life, OF COURSE I am ugly (unattractive to hot girls).
There are guys to whom hot girls THROW themselves.
I am not one of those guys.
Therefore I am ugly.
That's just the way our disgusting post 1960s world works.
Why not blame it on a fixation for ugliness or hairstyle or choice of shoes or the way you hold your fork and knife when eating noodles or the lack of pronoun usage or beginning most sentences with "basically" or clarifying a point by saying "in terms of"? I know thousands of guys who've never had a girlfriend - for those reasons - but not one of them for "being ugly".
 
That's some terrible logic right there.
Worse than terrible.

On the contrary I think is is the ONLY logic to apply.
Real world results matter.
If attractive young girls have never thrown themselves at me, I am not attractive.
Therefore I am unattractive/ugly.
I think that makes perfect sense.
 
On the contrary I think is is the ONLY logic to apply.
Real world results matter.
If attractive young girls have never thrown themselves at me, I am not attractive.
Therefore I am unattractive/ugly.
I think that makes perfect sense.
If that relieves you burden of thought then cherish it.
 

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