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  1. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    It is not a random sentence, but a crucial one. It clearly states that what you pretend to be the main view is a minority view. You can ask yourself why if it is all unreliable, then why it is only a minority view that he never existed. It is not like scholars are stupid. I also wonder what...
  2. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    I never thought of it that way, I must say. Love is love only only applies to consenting adults, of course. So two cousins, if one of them is a minor would not apply as "love is love". But if they are adults and both male, then I guess the issues with the gene pool would not apply. The disgust...
  3. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    Yes, sure, some random guy on a forum is much more reliable. At least Wikipedia articles can be debated by others, and adapted.
  4. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    Yes, it has to be on some site with lots of exclamation marks, links to UFO sightings, then it is true...
  5. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    Again, not true. Wikipedia: and Is muhammad a historic figure?
  6. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    You are wrong, and it is obvious you are not objective at all. You want to frame me, to kill the topic. You are not answering the topic but attacking me personally. One of the persons who sent a like to your posts, also sent me some insulting private mails on this forum. The truth is not what...
  7. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    Religions generally want to control sexuality, it gives them power over people. But if you look at it the rules are made to cause maximum growth for that religion. Forbidden same *** (because wrong thought of no offspring), and only marriage possible if conversion to islam, and then children are...
  8. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    I don't understand what you mean by "they", you mean islam or democratic laws? Just to prove my point about incest, recently there were some scandals in the Netherlands where a doctor from a fertility clinic used his own sperm to father hundreds of children. The women who got pregnant this way...
  9. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    As far as I am concerned you are using two strategies. On the one hand black and white, where you exaggerate what I say to make it look ridiculous, that is indeed a black and white discussion. Like "Do 100% of the muslims...?" The other is drowning the issues by asking inumerous philosophical...
  10. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    True, that is also my experience. As soon as they have a bit of an own interpretation, they are quickly frowned upon (at best). Just to be clear, when I came on this forum I was still doubting my sexuality, hence the nickname 'insecure'. Since then I made some progress and now I do think I am...
  11. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    That is a strange question. Muhammad invented islam, and he was a violent man who conquered territories. Also, I don't see what difference it makes. It would make a difference if muhammad would never have been part of any conquering, and that only started with his followers. Of course not. Why...
  12. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    I still think that one of the biggest reasons they are against homosexuality is the fear that people will not reproduce, so the faith and its power will not grow fast enough. Personally, I don't care what people believe in itself, it is how they act upon it. Incest is of course a different...
  13. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    The conquering started with Muhammed himself, you can see that on wikipedia, just as an example : So the violence did not start after his death, he was violent himself. Not true, the example I gave is from schoolchildren in 2023, they were the ones shouting Alloa Akbar on that rainbow day...
  14. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    The government tries to protect those rights, and tries to get a climate of acceptance, that is why it is shocking when you see groups of muslims trying to attack those rights, like in the case where they were shouting Alloa Akbar in the playground when it was a rainbow day. I don't agree with...
  15. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    That last part is the point, and there is where the violence comes from. First, that muslims believe that islam is not just for muslims, but for everyone. Second, that it is the literal word and there is no discussion on it. That is a dangerous combination.
  16. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    Hmm, that theory is not really convincing. Sure, hot temperatures can make people less tolerant (they also make you sleepy, and take it a bit more easy when working), but you can also become less tolerant by the books you read. Most of those least tolerant countries are islamic, and the least...
  17. insecure

    Why is there so much violence against LGBTQ coming from islam?

    As a person who until very recently doubted his sexual preference (just read my initial messages here) living in Belgium I have always wondered why islam is so virulently against LGBTQ, and it also made me anxious. I am not saying that every muslim is violent, of course. I just see that if you...
  18. insecure

    Why do Christians condemn LGBTQ as Evil?

    I don't know where you get that impression. If you simply read the history of islam it is full of violence, and I am not talking about the worldly leaders, but the book itself and the history of its leader (Muhammed), which is inherently violent. The list of most dangerous countries for LGBTQ is...
  19. insecure

    Why do Christians condemn LGBTQ as Evil?

    You sound just as dogmatic as many religious people. All religions HAVE to be equally bad, because of some form of balance. While as an atheist I am not a fan of religion, I do think there is a hierarchy in dangerousness of religions. If all of them were equally intolerant, the list of most...
  20. insecure

    Why do Christians condemn LGBTQ as Evil?

    In that case, this forum topic should not be permitted then, because it specifically asks about religion, and as people have different opinions, it can only lead to a kind of debate. Of course it will always be a little bit more complex than that. However, look at this list objectively. This is...
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