Being fired from work?

[sk66rc]

I guess in reality, ethic & legality are 2 different thing... Something can be perfectly legal but seen by public, & others, unethical... Or, doing something right, or ethical, can actually be "illegal" or against the "company policy" & get you fired... Right or wrong aside, what's the most "B.S" reason you ever have gotten fired for? I knew a girl who got fired for being "too pregnant"... Not sure what the official reason she was given, if any, but they said it was her job performance & something to do with the liability issues... I was once was from a pizza place while I was in high school... I lived about 5 minute drive, or 15 minute walk, from work... It was snowing pretty heavy & I didn't wanna drive in that weather... I was scheduled in the morning & I woke up late... Since I was gonna be walking to work, I called my boss & told him I'll be late for about 10 minutes due to weather... He said it was fine... In that short time, he got a call from district manager & I guess the conversation went south... When I showed up 10 minutes late, he said I was fired for being late... Really?

 

[zibafu]

The thing is, you can really be fired for anything, if the company wants to get rid of you they will. I work... in a certain toy store, that I cannot name due to contractual obligations, , but Ive heard all sorts of stories about managers getting taken to a cafe by the director and being handed basically their years salary in a cheque to leave, and, well when you're getting offered 25k at once, most of them take it, some will be clever and still take the company to court for unfair dismissal and get another wad, but this stuff happens.
The Laws are all very well and good, but if its cheaper for the company to fire you illegally, they will do.
Take into account that most people, especially teenage - early 20's don't know their rights, or cba with hassle cause their lives are sooooo hard as it is, and get fired, then don't take the company to court over it, companies can get away with lots of things. Also consider that employment laws are civil laws, not criminal, so the worst a company can expect is to be sued, if the ceo were to face jailtime for firing someone illegally, then you could guarantee that companies would shape up.

Most companies will avoid certain things tho, sacking someone racially, well that's a massive bad bit of publicity for them, but customers arent gonna bat an eye if they find out an employee was sacked for being late once.

Even if the company wants to do it all fairly so they dont get sued by an employee, they can follow all the procedures and still get rid of you for anything.

A disciplinary for example, don't have to be for a specific incident, just call it job performance issues every time, and then get rid, if you ever got a single job performance disciplinary, I would say start looking for another job because they probably want to get rid of you.

Its all ******** tbh, capitalism = ********

 

[WildernessWildChild]

These are the kind of things that make me appreciate a union a bit more. I'm not going to say they're perfect but a good one does look out for its members, even those who don't deserve it (meaning those who live to seduce the canine on a daily basis).

A couple of years ago I worked for a company that had mislead me as to the role I was hired for. I tried to be a 'team player' and adapt to the role they gave me but it was pretty demoralizing to be reporting to someone who's incompetence was legendary. After a year of frustration and anger I was ready to move on, had found the job I know have, and was going to give my notice. That very same day one of the large and in charge types came from the city to release me from my duties as I had been deemed 'uncooperative'. Kind of funny how it worked out, by releasing me they had to give me a nice bit of severance that I wouldn't have been eligible for if I'd quit- I looove irony. When I realized my final cheque was a certified one I couldn't pass on the urge to tell him how appreciative I was of the 'opportunity' and time I'd had with the company and that I'd planned on giving my notice that day- the change of expression on his face was AWESOME. It got even better for me about six weeks later when I finally responded to a number of phone messages they'd left me- they had fired the incompetent ******* I'd suffered under, realized that the feedback he'd given them about my job performance was largely untrue, and asked if I'd be interested in coming back in the role I'd originally been offered. My response was 'are you out of your mind- take a cut in pay to go back to work for a sleazy outfit like yours?'....I hung up the phone and that was the end of it.

Worked out good though. I miss construction but the career change I've made has been good for me- better pay, more opportunity, respect from those I work for and with, and lots of time off to be with my daughter. Getting fired was good for me

 

[Regumika]

Its all ******** tbh, capitalism = ********

First off, I'm not siding with anyone on this. I do agree that it's stupid that you can get fired for anything, but I also agree that there are some employees that you just have to fire. Now, I live in California, US. A state where there is a law that says any company can fire you for any reason, or NO reason at all.

Now, we all need to understand that Businesses aren't charities. If they aren't capable of performing up to expectations (or causes harmful influence), then it IS in the company's interest to let them go. True there are some cases (like the pregnant woman) that is out of her control and in that case it is the company that is in the wrong (greed).

In the case that people are offered lump sum to resign.. they're lucky that the company even offers money.

I think a lot of us think that "decency" in business dealings has become the norm? It's really a bonus, and somehow we have adopted that "bonus" should be the "standard", like we all deserve something that we weren't supposed to even be given.

 

[sk66rc]

Being that a lot of the states U.S. are considered "at-will employment" states, in a lamest term, employers can terminate you for just about anything, as long as it falls with in legal terms, weather it's ethical or not is a totally different story... Makes me sad that in this state of economy, it's really turned into a "employers market"...

 

[Regumika]

"employers market"...

How else should it be? You hire people for their capabilities and capacities to help the company grow. while working for the company, the employee provide services/items to people/companies that want to buy them. If they are a person that disrupts the flow from moving smoothly.. that employee needs to go.

The flip side is also true. You have no idea how often an employee HAS to go but you can't fire them because the law is protecting them.

 

[sk66rc]

"employers market"...

How else should it be? You hire people for their capabilities and capacities to help the company grow. while working for the company, the employee provide services/items to people/companies that want to buy them. If they are a person that disrupts the flow from moving smoothly.. that employee needs to go.

The flip side is also true. You have no idea how often an employee HAS to go but you can't fire them because the law is protecting them.

Being once a business owner, I completely understand... Only if it was as simple as that... But also coming from working many different retail stores, some of their mind set is, why pay higher wage when you can fill the same position with 4 - 6 part timers for the same cost... Right now, I'm currently working for a company... I get paid little shy of $20/hr... Though it isn't all that much, it comes out to roughly $800/week before tax... They can actually hire 4 part timers & schedule them around 40 hours a week combined @ $8/hr... With cut hours, company doesn't have to pay for benefits... So, in the end, they'll increase manpower while saving in cost... Then they complain about people not being competent... Morals going down due to people getting paid so little & not getting enough hours... Seen it so many times... Of course anybody can give worst case scenarios all day long... Point I was referring to was when an employee is actually qualified (skills sets & experiences) & have the knowledge (educations like specialty schools & degrees) to back it up, at least they used to have some leverage... Companies used to reward people like that... Instead, their attitude now is, with the economy the way it is now, there are 12 - 15 people willing to take your job for less money, well qualified person, people who are more qualified that those said & willing people, are more hesitant to demand for what he's fairly worth & possibly fear for his job because employers are willing to let them go for more bodies for less money...

Oh, and as far as the flip side is concerned... I'm not saying employers can fire people willy nilly... But because of the "at-will employment" clause in labor law in may states, it may not be as hard as many people think it is... You can even get fired for bad mouthing the company you work for on facebook on your day off... http://socialmediatoday.com/mike-allton/1247406/why-you-cant-fire-employees-complaining-facebook... Phrase to pay attention being "A single employee who comments on their own, with no participation from other other employees, receives no such protection. That could potentially be considered libel, depending on the nature of the comments, and business owners would be within their rights to terminate employment and perhaps even seek restitution."... What's that mean? Say the wrong thing even on your own time about the company can get you fired... There are factors, I know... There are loopholes, I get it... I'm just saying, if there's a way, they'll find it...

 

[Sci-Fi]

Never been fired for any bs reason. But man I had one boss who did a whole lot of unethical, immoral, illegal, and dirty things to his employees.

 

[sk66rc]

Never been fired for any bs reason. But man I had one boss who did a whole lot of unethical, immoral, illegal, and dirty things to his employees.

Lol, I had a boss one that my job depended on weather he took his medication for the day or not... I got fired & re-hired in 27 seconds flat... Once, he fired 17 people... He called for a meeting with them 3 days later & apologized... His excuse, "Ummm... Sorry, guys... I've been having some anger issues & I didn't take my medication that day... I'm better now... Your jobs are there if you still want it..." That was weird...