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This is going to be a long and meandering post. You've been warned...

One of my biggest fears is dependence (possibly my biggest fear, haven't really ranked them all though). Times are tough and the world is a strange place. Sometimes, for whatever reason, we find ourselves unable to provide for our own needs in their entirety and often for unfair reasons. More and more people are turning to multi-generational living, more 'kids' (20s and 30s and 40s) are 'moving back home.' More 'parents' (60s and 70s) are moving in with their kids. And many never separated in the first place. Economies around the world continue to spiral downward, despite any rosy-colored propaganda spewed by the media. It isn't getting better. There were times, in the past, when I had to swallow my pride and lean on others because I had my child and her mother. It felt like death. In fact, I would have preferred death but for that, again, unfortunate notion of others depending on me. Damn, dependence...

Nearly a decade ago, we (my "family") arrived. Countless years of hard work, dedication, schooling, studying, planning, saving, living like hermits paid off. I was finally part of a dual-income household and for the first time in my life was not 'poor.' It only took three decades to climb above that. Two people, college-educated, working professionals, small but nice house, small but nice cars, perfectly capable of living within their means and of supporting one another beyond this to go even further: doctorates? businesses? etc... Well, that wasn't what was in store for me. Instead, it was total destruction and loss of family, job, home, credit, hope, and opportunity all brought about by selfishness and deceit. I know this club isn't exclusive, so I will forgo the pity party.

So, once again, after just peering above the ground line with bloody knuckles and missing fingernails...after a life of climbing furiously...I was kicked back into the hole. Well ****. This has been nearly seven years ago. I'm a different person and I've accepted that I needed to go through this to become who I am - better, stronger, more autonomous. For a while after the crash, I was incapacitated by what I'd been through - bad times those were. Hopeless. Nothing more dangerous than a man convinced that he's got nothing to lose and nothing to gain. Well, again, driven on by necessity, I put myself back together and was determined to fight. And fight I did. I changed my life entirely and I got back to work and I got back to school and I'm still in this mode. My capacity for anger and rage is nearly unlimited and approaches, if not surpasses, human in nature. So it's not even tempting to indulge it. If I did, total destruction would ensue and it would consume me as well. I've never hurt those close to me, but I've come very close to hurting myself. I literally can't go there. I don't want to self-destruct.

One of the things I like about being alone is that no one depends on me. Therefore, I don't have to feel like a failure if the bottom falls out, which it has in my life - time and time again. That way I don't pull someone down in with me. Despite being somewhat educated and making somewhat decent money, I still never feel good enough or like I have arrived. I'm pursuing my 2nd and 3rd degrees presently. I wish I could say this was chosen for cheerful reasons, but that would be a lie. I'm doing this out of fear of dependency. When I was younger as a troubled teen, I chose homelessness for a while over the charity of others and lived in my car. I've got a 'mean streets' mentality that must be kept at bay to function within daily life and especially within the professional world. A long time ago in conversation, I told a relative I'd rather end up dead on a street corner, frozen in place with a bottle of vodka than depend on others.

My image of myself as a provider was shattered when I realized it was all an illusion propped upon the trust of others. Not even as stable as a house of cards. Now, in my mind, I'll never be good enough because no matter how hard I try, someone can just pull the rug out.

So, long story short, I don't like depending on others and I don't like others depending on me. That makes relationships difficult. (This probably doesn't even belong here, but it was in my mind, so...)

Anybody relate?
 
Agreed.. I am born an independent person.. just coz i loved someone too much I depended on him and when we broke up things really got messed up.. i did not knw how to carry on with life.. Things just became worse.. then i went back to my independent self ...things started healing.. I don't like depending but when i find someone i trust enough to depend then i might think over the idea before letting my independent self..
 
Dear Jd,

This has to be the first time that I've seen you be openly vulnerable here on ALL, or tell your story. Good job. :) I"m proud of you. It's not easy to be vulnerable. It's very scary. (hug)

I can't say that I can relate to most of your life story, but I do admire you for going back to school. I hope it helps you in life. I know the great recession wasn't easy on anyone.

Currently I am living with my mom and I really don't see anything wrong with it due to the broken nature of my family. My mom's side of the family lives in Iowa, My father's side rarely keeps in touch, my brother is moving to New Zealand, and my father who is abusive lives in Florida. Broken. No one takes responsibility or cares for each other. I intend on being there for my mom as she ages. I hope someone will be there for you too as you grow old. Not everyone has that though.

You seem to view the world as a hostile place. That's how I view it too, but don't let that fear close you off to new relationships that may be beneficial for you. I've met people who are closed off and it made me wonder if it was even worth it to put out the effort to be their friend.

I know you recently suffered a terrible loss too, but you know, maybe that person will come back. They are young and that's how young people can be. Give it time and don't lose hope.

I really enjoy seeing you on your academic journey by the way. Maybe someday you will go to grad school too. I think you'd excel since you have a thicker skin than me. :) You'd not accept the nonsense.

-Soph
 
Thanks, Nuz
Thanks, Soph

I believe part of this, for me, is epigenetics as well. My dad has the same drive. He grew up poor, born on a reservation, cast out into orphanages, adopted into a very poor family. His sole/soul purpose in life became ensuring financial dependability at the cost of all other forms of dependability...
 
Well, first of all I have to thank you, JD, for reminding me why I chose to be alone in the first place. When I remember the dependency I had to endure in my previous relationships, I think it's better to be alone, responsible only for yourself.

I have to say I admire you, I really do. Not many people can literally hit rock bottom not once, but twice and live to tell the story. I applaud you for fighting through it all and giving your all to improve your situation. As for asking help from others, I too am too proud to do it, which has landed me into trouble in the past, but has ended up working out for the best in the end. I also agree with you that multi-generational households appear once again and continue to increase. I recommend that you read One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, though, it showcases perfectly how a family can stand through time (and **** themselves up) by sticking together and depend on each other.
 
No experience. Still there's something about the idea of depending on a partner that makes me uneasy.

Expectation for life-long commitment best applies in a society that imposes obligations on people, where leaving your spouse is viewed as a betrayal and the breaking of a social contract. In it's absence there's only trust in another's sense of integrity, or their continued happiness, or a mutual bond, and I'm not sure I could.
 

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