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Oh I didn't know the green one was mean! Haha. I thought she looked determined and powerful! So I gave her to you! The middle one looks bimbotic - thus I took it! haha! And the blue one looks sweet and kind, thus Broken!

And who's Mojo Jojo?

Oh dear. You'd wonder what my childhood was like, wouldn't you. Haha.
 
ladyforsaken said:
The middle one looks bimbotic - thus I took it!

ROFL LMAO!!! :D

Buttercup "green" is mostly misunderstood so actually you were spot on lol.

Blossom "red" is the opposite of "bimbotic" :D. She's kind of like the smartest one of the trio, very you!

Bubbles "blue" ah yeah total sweetheart like Broken.Prone to being distracted by kittens though

Mojo Jojo AKA evil mastermind (perfanoff, please don't kill me :D)


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Haha! I see!

Oh no, then I think you should take the middle one! Or Broken! You both decide lol. I should take the blue because I have an absolutely soft spot for kittens!!!! Sighs.

That mojo jojo looks like he means business. :\
 
That monkey looks like a mastermind with ulterior motives. Poor guy doesn't seem to get some love though. So I refuse :)
 
Veruca and Lady *hugs*
We are "one for all, all for one", colour really doesn't matter :)

Perfanoff is Mojo Jojo....Rofl :D can't help laughing :D
 
Awww, see? All giggles and internet hugs, isn't your life better now?

If not, try this: do some exercise so that you are happier with the way you look. The world is filled with shallow people, obssessed with surfaces, so make yours as good as it can get, even if the result is not you.

Now that your alter has a chassis, you can begin building a personality that will make you into a functional member of society. Suppress the bits people dislike about you, emphasise the bits they like, adopt positive characteristics you lack. Fake it until you make it.

You can sit at your keyboard / iPad / whatever and fill your tummy on compliments from well-meaning www.friends, or you can get to work and create a better life, even if it means choosing an alter over the real you.
 
lusker said:
Awww, see? All giggles and internet hugs, isn't your life better now?

If not, try this: do some exercise so that you are happier with the way you look. The world is filled with shallow people, obssessed with surfaces, so make yours as good as it can get, even if the result is not you.

Now that your alter has a chassis, you can begin building a personality that will make you into a functional member of society. Suppress the bits people dislike about you, emphasise the bits they like, adopt positive characteristics you lack. Fake it until you make it.

You can sit at your keyboard / iPad / whatever and fill your tummy on compliments from well-meaning www.friends, or you can get to work and create a better life, even if it means choosing an alter over the real you.

Ya know, I do like your attitude. This forum is nice and all, but you shouldn't forget what keeps you back in your actual life anyway.

The only thing I disagree with is not being yourself. If you want to change your life for the better, you have to change the real you, without faking it. It's a subtle difference but it's important. Do not just emulate, understand why something ought to be done or said in a certain way.

Anyway, +1 for you - it was overdue.
 
Veruca said:
The logical aspect of my mind knows to not believe what they had said, but I think my self esteem was gone at such a young age, that I don’t know how to find it or form one now.

For awhile, I felt ok. I was working out and that improved my physical appearance and moods, but this last year, I’ve put on quite a bit of weight and I’m feeling horribly depressed again. Sometimes, I have trouble getting out of the house because I think I’m just too ugly.

So anyway, as a way to survive in the real world given this low self esteem problem, I think I developed an alter ego of sorts.

But over the years, I’ve just grown more and more insecure, and the worse I feel about myself.


I’ve been trying to be more conscious of how I behave around people so as to bridge the inner self and outer, but it seems like the minute I meet someone, I automatically turn into a different person.

I know exactly what you mean, although its somewhat different for me I'm pretty sure we're in the same boat more or less.
I really, truly hate myself and especially the way i look, and when I was younger I sometimes wouldn't be able to leave the house because, like you, I thought i was too ugly and I just didn't want people to see me.
But now i just don't give much of a **** (unless its a chick I like, in which case my thoughts point out my every conceivable flaw and I then paradoxically want to end the conversation as soon as possible even though I'd like to talk to her as long as possible.) (or if I'm just having a bad day.)
Except instead of an alter ego i just sort of go blank, sort of like auto-pilot i guess. I don't say much, try to be courteous, and I end up just being sort of unfeeling.
which works out fine for the most part but when I, say, take interest in a woman its sort of a problem, because even though i want to say how I feel it seems like It'd be so out of character that It'd just weird everyone out (especially her). And then they give this wide eyed look of shock when you go from some unfeeling husk to "Hey beautiful, wanna see a movie later?"
But the longer you keep up your default public/work/ persona the weirder it's gonna seem when and if you eventually do break through and the longer you'll needlessly suffer in your own self constructed prison.

So my advice is next time you're around a friend, acquaintance, coworker or whatever just actively force yourself to say something outside of the usual for your sort of alter ego and more like what you really want to say, and would say if you didn't have to worry about what they or anyone else thinks and just roll with it.don't worry about whether everyone likes you or hates you, just do whatever you'd really do.

(within reason of course, you still probably shouldn't call your boss a moron or tell him you wanna bash his face in, it usually doesn't go well) :club:
 
perfanoff said:
Ya know, I do like your attitude. This forum is nice and all, but you shouldn't forget what keeps you back in your actual life anyway.

The only thing I disagree with is not being yourself. If you want to change your life for the better, you have to change the real you, without faking it. It's a subtle difference but it's important. Do not just emulate, understand why something ought to be done or said in a certain way.

Anyway, +1 for you - it was overdue.

Thanks. I only suggested it because it worked for me.

I can't be myself, because I'd be in gaol or dead or living in a cave (last option appeals to me a lot), so an alter is the best I can be. It lets me survive in the world, so I thought it could also work for someone else.

The idea that I could be forgiven, and put away the alter for good, fills me with hope. Hope is weakness, because it lowers my defences and self discipline; someone with less baggage might achieve it, but not me.

Thanks for the plus. I don't expect to get many.
 
Hey lusker,

Indeed, I do feel tonnes better when I workout/put effort into the way I look. It may be a superficial thing, but I agree with you; life's a little easier when you look a certain way. And why not make life a bit better for yourself in that respect right?

And I understand what you mean about choosing alters. It really depends on the environment you're in. For most of us, I think its safe to say that we don't have to be extreme with our roles. We may have to "tweak" our behaviour/personalities in order to survive, but for others, like yourself as you have said, the alters may need to be more extreme. Ultimately, we do have to do whatever it takes to survive.

I think I'm very blessed that I can still strike a balance between the two. Everyone's comments has certainly helped me realize that its not a lost cause, that a lot of people experience this problem and we have a choice in how we deal with it based on our circumstances.

I do have to say that I find having online friends beneficial though. I've met a lot of wonderful people online, and it isn't about the compliments, rather that a community such as this one can provide the much needed support I can't find in real life. And I'm grateful for that.

Thank you for your advice! :)

Hey there DeadSun,

I'm sorry you're in the same shoes too. But thank you for your suggestion. In addition to being aware, I'll also try to do what you said, the opposite of what I would usually do and see how it goes.


Just want to say thanks to everyone for your advice! Its helping loads!
 
Veruca said:
I think I'm very blessed that I can still strike a balance between the two. Everyone's comments has certainly helped me realize that its not a lost cause

Good luck. Be who you want to be!
 
Veruca said:
Hey guys,

I’ve been struggling with this issue for awhile and every time I try to start a thread about it, I feel so exposed that I delete it :(

But a friend suggested I try to put it up here as having others share their experiences might help.

Basically, deep down, I have zero self esteem or self worth. Growing up, I was bullied a lot by family and school/college mates. And while I have lovely parents, their only fault was that they made it seem like they were embarrassed of me. I was always too talkative, too opinionated, too loud, too silly. I was also on steroid medication for 12 years which made me chubby (and has messed up my metabolism for life), and the fact that I was dark, made me the target for all kinds of insults in my society.

The logical aspect of my mind knows to not believe what they had said, but I think my self esteem was gone at such a young age, that I don’t know how to find it or form one now.

For awhile, I felt ok. I was working out and that improved my physical appearance and moods, but this last year, I’ve put on quite a bit of weight and I’m feeling horribly depressed again. Sometimes, I have trouble getting out of the house because I think I’m just too ugly.

So anyway, as a way to survive in the real world given this low self esteem problem, I think I developed an alter ego of sorts. It helped in the beginning, I was confident, assertive, able to deal with insults without bursting into tears.

But over the years, I’ve just grown more and more insecure, and the worse I feel about myself, the worse my alter ego becomes. I feel like I’ve become a very disagreeable person now. I’m argumentative, patronizing, sometimes I exaggerate to try and impress others.

And I have this need to always try and become someone the other person would like, as opposed to just being myself. Because ultimately, “myself” is just not good enough and I am so terrified of having everyone I like, dislike me (which ironically is happening already).

None of this is me and I feel extremely guilty and plain awful the minute I’m alone. I don’t want to offend anyone, that’s the last thing I want to do. But for some reason, everything that comes out of my mouth while in the company of others, is the opposite of what I really want to say or really feel inside.

I’ve been trying to be more conscious of how I behave around people so as to bridge the inner self and outer, but it seems like the minute I meet someone, I automatically turn into a different person.

I hope this makes sense. I’m trying to post this without deleting it because I feel such anxiety over this whole thing right now.

So if you guys have similar experiences or have any advice for me, I’d be grateful :)

Thanks

Just my opinion and experiences:

I feel with you, but I can assure you, that this surely is no Alter Ego or anything like that, in my opinion. As well as it isn't a role you play for others.
I once had a similar discovery about myself and I was pretty unsure about it, as I was pretty unsure and unstable in general at that time.
I watched and read too much about evil Doppelgänger and inner demons, to realize it at that time. A splitting personality seemed more easy as explanation back then, but later I gained other views on the subject.
Now, I think that I understand it as a kind of "development". We have a very complex personality, with lots of different traits, some stronger, some weaker... but is that fixed in stone? I don't think so, I think it is more flexible and changes with time and our experiences. As well, our reactions to situations change with them as well and so, it surely can be possible that we change our habits for certain situations.

However, habits don't change easily and without reason, so if you changed them, then it really has a meaning, in my opinion. In general, it seems like it is easier this way, so we do it. "Adapting", you may call it. =)
So I think, you don't need to worry about multiple personalities, as it most likely is just a new side of yourself. A part of the whole you are, not more, not less. =)

Veruca said:
Indeed, I do feel tonnes better when I workout/put effort into the way I look. It may be a superficial thing, but I agree with you; life's a little easier when you look a certain way. And why not make life a bit better for yourself in that respect right?

That's always good to hear, but you shouldn't forget that you already are very pretty. ;)
 
That's a really good point, PyramidHead I didn't even think of that. I suppose some aspects of myself, even if they only reveal themselves when socializing are a product of adaptation, and that may not be a terrible thing. I guess at the end of the day, the real question is whether my actions and behaviour cause me guilt or not, so I'm letting my conscience guide me here :)

And thank you for the compliment :D!
 
That sounds scary, yikes! :D

Also just noticed Mike's words of wisdom in your sig. LOL!
 
Nothing scary at all when Rosebolt is involved. He's cupid, remember? :)

And - yes. LOL.
 
Veruca,

Okay, here's my perspective on this ...

You say that you always feel the need to become someone the other person would like. Okay, so, let's do a quick thought experiment ...

Imagine a very bizarre person who is wrong about everything, and by 'everything' I mean everything in the world. Think of the most misinformed person you know and then multiply that by infinity. The Earth is flat to this person and the Moon is made of green cheese. They quite literally can't open their mouth without being wrong (the sad truth is, we all know at least one person who comes pretty close to this).

At the same time, this is also the most supportive, most benevolent human being you have ever met, the quintessence of kindness and goodness, the embodiment of all of your hopes and dreams and beyond.

Try to imagine developing a relationship (any form of relationship) with a person like this. How exactly would you go about this affair? I think it's pretty clear that letting a person like this into your life would mean surrendering yourself to a lifetime of uninterrupted misery.

Think of how this relationship would work. How would you interact with this person exactly? Would you actually go to the length of correcting them or even debating them every time they said something that is clearly wrong? Or would you instead completely subsume to their ignorance and resignedly agree with everything that came out of their mouth, no matter how outrageous or intellectually offensive? Even if you felt nothing but unadulterated, unconditional love for this person, you would quickly find that even the most benign forms of interaction with them require phenomenal levels of patience on your part.

Imagine the following scenario.

You come home from a stressful day at work where you were mercilessly mobbed by one of your superiors. This person (let's say she is your roommate) greets you with a smile as warm as the sun.

"Hey, what's up? Omg, what's wrong?"

You collapse on the sofa, dissolve into tears and proceed to tell her the harrowing story. When you are done, she serenely concludes "Oh, kiddo, all bosses are like that. They are monsters who can change shape and want to take over the world, this is their tactic. They want to crush us. We need to be strong."

Tears quickly recede in an urge to engage in a debate on evolutionary biology, but you quickly find your composure.

"It's okay, I don't want to talk about it anymore. I'm going to fix myself something to eat."

"No, please don't, let me do it. You had a rough day and you need to relax, just sit here and I'll make you something. Let's see ... How about a vegetable soup with little dust bunnies? I hear it's really good for your heart."

How long do you think you would last in this setting? What would it take for you to accept that you were better off having no friends at all? At which point would you realize that you need to extricate yourself from this friendship as a simple matter of maintaining your sanity (or indeed saving your life)?

And yet, doing so would effectively mean letting go of the person you have been waiting for your entire life.

If the idea of being in any way associated with a person like this is beyond anything you feel would be humanly possible for you to maintain, then you are guilty of just that - being a human being. In fact, chances are, within five minutes of meeting this person they would effectively wipe out any chance of even touching on the outer edge of your social circle.

Yet, please notice that they are all that you have ever looked for in a friend - they personify all of those precious character qualities that you could have only hoped to find in one person, until now. So, what are you going to do? You're going to let go of all of it.

The point is that human affairs are complex and often made up of conflicting interests and causal links that are not immediately obvious. Decisions people make with respect to who they associate themselves with are often arrived at by virtue of ethical consideration and sometimes sheer necessity, as in the case of the above mentioned friend. As nice a person as they may be, outside of the Flat Earth society (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ ), they are unlikely to enjoy much of an appeal.

So, in many cases, a person's failure to react in a way that would align with our expectation is just a reflection of the specific circumstances of their own life. A refusal to employ someone with a law degree from Harvard says nothing about this person's expertise in law and could be a simple case of the position already being filled. Likewise, a refusal to perceive someone as our best friend could be nothing more than a statement of our loyalty to someone else who already fills that spot.

And as depressing as this may sound, consider the alternative: How would you live your life knowing that your spouse is one chance encounter with an attractive stranger away from filing for divorce? That the amount of time a close friend can allocate to you will become progressively smaller as new friends come into her life? Not only would this make for a life of ceaseless anxiety and render us completely unable to form meaningful bonds - it would completely dissolve the concept of ethics as we know it.

There are, of course, also those who are for one reason or another simply emotionally or intellectually unreachable. Doing what is ethically right - often by their own admission - is not part of their mental landscape. Their sense of ethics doesn't extend beyond whatever gets them to where they want to be in the shortest time possible. They don't care about empathy or people being nice to them, nor do they even notice when somebody is. They're simply not civilized like that. This is how wars get started - some people simply don't know better than to settle disputes violently. And once again, you can hardly hold it against them - they are nothing more than a product of an environment that failed to deliver for them. They are 21st century troglodytes, basking in their own world of utter intellectual depravity, blissfully unaware of the ripple effect they are having on their surroundings. This in part goes back to what I was saying on the other thread about the chemical origins of feelings and behavior.

So, I wish more than anything, Veruca, that I could deliver a line like "If the way you are on the forum is anything like the way you are in real life, you have nothing to worry about, just be yourself and everything will eventually fall into place". We all know, however, that life doesn't always pan out like that. Some people don't care if you are nice to them - some because they don't know how to and some simply because they can't allow themselves to care (at least not to the extent that you might want them to). It might be that your next crush is the nicest person you have ever met who also happens to be happily married. Maybe a good friend from work will move abroad and the challenges of living in a foreign country will prevent her from maintaining regular contact with you.

The only rational approach to your problem is to ask yourself what it is that you really want and how that will affect your environment, and then play your best odds on that. What kind of people do you want to surround yourself with? What kind of people do you find you get along with the best? Is it kind, generous people? Highly intellectual people? Curious, inquisitive people? A combination of all? Then work your way down from that. Look at what normally attracts these people and what kind of people they tend to associate with. Kind, loving people (people like yourself, that is) are probably that way for a reason - meaning they are actively aware of the effort they are expending to be that way. Curious people would probably appreciate being treated in kind - that is, your being as curious about their life as they are about yours.

Simply put, you need to strike the correct balance between what you think is the most ethical lifestyle choice you can make and what will get you where you eventually want to be. If you think that the way you are right now around people, this other person that comes on is unethical, then just stop being that way. Take a chance on doing the right thing and see where it gets you. Letting go of the past is a difficult thing to do, but if you feel that the way you treat people by being this way is having a negative effect on your life and the lives of others, then at the very least you have a moral obligation not to be careless like that. Put your best person hat on and live your dream. Hopefully, it will create a filter around you that will keep the junk out and only let the finest people through.

There is a saying that I really like, you may have heard of it: "I always wanted to be somebody. Now I realize I should have been more specific." I think it applies to your situation just about perfectly.

But still, when all is said and done, the most you can do is play the odds. The good news is, if you do this, the odds are something will eventually work out.
 

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