Thank you, Lonekiller- this is one of the more important threads. I'm a farmer and I haven't seen one single bee this year on my land. I dare say that the so called "traditional" farming is the main factor for the immune- system problems of bees. And "traditional" nowadays is meant to be highly intensive and enormously polluting farming. It goes without saying that I do not use any kind of chemicals, but everybody else around me does. A collegue of mine just lost all of his hives to chemical treatment- by plane! Of course there are more factors, like the Varoa virus and even the proliferating so called "asian hornets". But the main problem is the totally perverted and industrialized farming we do nowadays. Small wonder the whole planet will suffer enormously because of it. I meant to put up a Monsanto- thread. I won't, since I'm rather tired and too busy at the moment. Perhaps someone else would like to look into that? It is very edifying. And of course highly controversial....