I Don't Think Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

[LoneKiller]

I don't know much about politics and such, but I think that Osama Bin Laden is alive. The circumstances surrounding his death are fishy. Obama is taking **** on both sides. If he divulges the death photos/videos people get on his case. By not divulging people get on his case. He can't win. He may as well make them public.

If the powers that be at the time managed to keep the true details and proof of JFK'S death, then Bin Laden should be just as easy. I guess one could ask what purpose would there be in keeping him alive, I don't know.

I do know this, the Bin Laden family has heavy financial interests within the United States. When 911 happened, all commercial flights were grounded.
The Bin Laden family was flown away on a private jet not a half hour afterwards. Just a thought, don't bite my head off.

 

[Minus]

... He may as well make them public....

I don't know what the purpose would be. There are already enough fake ones out there, that real ones would prove nothing. People will believe what they want to believe and not let fact interfere with that.

 

[LoneKiller]

... He may as well make them public....

I don't know what the purpose would be. There are already enough fake ones out there, that real ones would prove nothing. People will believe what they want to believe and not let fact interfere with that.

That's a good point. I never thought of it that way.

 

[Ak5]

Why would they fake his death? To what purpose?

The only reason is that the U.S. Government doesn't want Osama dead.

And yes, they should release pictures.

It's much easier to see a dead person who killed thousands than to see videos of your own people jumping off buildings.

 

[Badjedidude]

As Minus said: showing the pictures at this point would serve no real purpose.

I think a lot of people really overthink these things. Sometimes the world is simpler than you want it to be. Maybe people ought to stop coming away from thriller/spy movies actually BELIEVING that **** like that happens.

Osama is dead. The U.S. government wanted him dead and they killed him. I think it's as simple as that. We already have detailed rosters on the other higher-ups in Al Qaeda, and we're killing them off piece by piece.

What would be the point of preserving the figurehead?

 

[TheSolitaryMan]

As an English onlooker, I have to say I find it weird that almost every monumental American event in recent times has kind of a conspiracy theory attached to it by the populace.

Whether it's 9/11, Elvis Presley's death, the JFK assassination, alleged CIA experiments or (now) Bin Laden's death, there always seem to be really vocal groups that deny it happened or think there's a giant government coverup or something odd is afoot. I'm not sure why.

Perhaps it's because there's a strong theme of liberty in the USA, people question the government a lot? I think it's both good and bad.

In my mind, there's no doubt he's dead. I find it odd how no one questions the death of countless other prominent terrorist leaders in drone attacks (where the target's stronghold is left a pile of rubble and the body pretty much disappears or gets burnt up!) but the minute it's Bin Laden and he gets shot everyone is questioning whether it happened, whether he's alive, etc. etc.

At the end of the day, he was a misguided, evil idiot who wasted his life. A bearded, cowardly man who let those less intelligent than him die in the name of his "cause". It should be no surprise that he's dead, even if the media built him into some kind of legendarily elusive figure.

It always astonishes me that he had such a vast personal fortune, yet used it all on terrorist and criminal activities. Why the **** would you organise pointless terrorist attacks on a country miles away to "help your people" when you could just do it directly and non-violently with all that cash?

It's so irrational. And yet he could convince people to blow themselves up for that...unbelievable, really. I think it really shows how messed up the world can be.

 

[Fvantom]

Why would they fake his death? To what purpose?

possibly to boost Obamas falling approval ratings.

 

[TheSolitaryMan]

The US Government would also have to be pretty bloody stupid to fake his death. All he'd have to do is hold up a newspaper on a videotape and there'd be a tsunami of condemnation hitting Obama. His political career would be wrecked.

Just no way.

 

[Ak5]

Why would they fake his death? To what purpose?

possibly to boost Obamas falling approval ratings.

He could simply circulate a new video of him being alive.

Unless Osama is being bribed.....

 

[Fvantom]

Why would they fake his death? To what purpose?

possibly to boost Obamas falling approval ratings.

He could simply circulate a new video of him being alive.

Unless Osama is being bribed.....

the idea is that hes been dead for years and they only released it for approval rating, idk though, you cant believe anything these days

 

[Ak5]

Why would they fake his death? To what purpose?

possibly to boost Obamas falling approval ratings.

He could simply circulate a new video of him being alive.

Unless Osama is being bribed.....

the idea is that hes been dead for years and they only released it for approval rating, idk though, you cant believe anything these days

Oh that might be true, but it doesn't sound possible. If it happened under Bush he would have used it so his career can end in a "fine mark" and not a "dumb mark". But it could have happened a little while after Obama took office.

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Conspiracy Theories FTW. I love how funny they are.

 

[annik]

As an English onlooker, I have to say I find it weird that almost every monumental American event in recent times has kind of a conspiracy theory attached to it by the populace.

Whether it's 9/11, Elvis Presley's death, the JFK assassination, alleged CIA experiments or (now) Bin Laden's death, there always seem to be really vocal groups that deny it happened or think there's a giant government coverup or something odd is afoot. I'm not sure why.

Perhaps it's because there's a strong theme of liberty in the USA, people question the government a lot? I think it's both good and bad.

In my mind, there's no doubt he's dead. I find it odd how no one questions the death of countless other prominent terrorist leaders in drone attacks (where the target's stronghold is left a pile of rubble and the body pretty much disappears or gets burnt up!) but the minute it's Bin Laden and he gets shot everyone is questioning whether it happened, whether he's alive, etc. etc.

At the end of the day, he was a misguided, evil idiot who wasted his life. A bearded, cowardly man who let those less intelligent than him die in the name of his "cause". It should be no surprise that he's dead, even if the media built him into some kind of legendarily elusive figure.

It always astonishes me that he had such a vast personal fortune, yet used it all on terrorist and criminal activities. Why the **** would you organise pointless terrorist attacks on a country miles away to "help your people" when you could just do it directly and non-violently with all that cash?

It's so irrational. And yet he could convince people to blow themselves up for that...unbelievable, really. I think it really shows how messed up the world can be.

This is wall to wall good sense.

 

[freedom]

the only reason why i think they would keep him alive would be to vet him to gain intel on his organization's operations. just my two cents.

 

[LoneKiller]

I think he's alive. I can feel it in my bones. Like I've posted before,the Bin Laden family has a sick amount of money in the USA. When 9/11 happened, the Bin Laden family were on their way home in a private Jet, while all airports grounded the flights if memory serves.

 

[tedgresham]

As an English onlooker, I have to say I find it weird that almost every monumental American event in recent times has kind of a conspiracy theory attached to it by the populace.

Whether it's 9/11, Elvis Presley's death, the JFK assassination, alleged CIA experiments or (now) Bin Laden's death, there always seem to be really vocal groups that deny it happened or think there's a giant government coverup or something odd is afoot. I'm not sure why.

Perhaps it's because there's a strong theme of liberty in the USA, people question the government a lot? I think it's both good and bad.

In my mind, there's no doubt he's dead. I find it odd how no one questions the death of countless other prominent terrorist leaders in drone attacks (where the target's stronghold is left a pile of rubble and the body pretty much disappears or gets burnt up!) but the minute it's Bin Laden and he gets shot everyone is questioning whether it happened, whether he's alive, etc. etc.

At the end of the day, he was a misguided, evil idiot who wasted his life. A bearded, cowardly man who let those less intelligent than him die in the name of his "cause". It should be no surprise that he's dead, even if the media built him into some kind of legendarily elusive figure.

It always astonishes me that he had such a vast personal fortune, yet used it all on terrorist and criminal activities. Why the **** would you organise pointless terrorist attacks on a country miles away to "help your people" when you could just do it directly and non-violently with all that cash?

It's so irrational. And yet he could convince people to blow themselves up for that...unbelievable, really. I think it really shows how messed up the world can be.

Just because one is called paranoid does not mean he is incorrect. Ben Laden was a CIA stooge. He was an operative while the Soviets were in Afghanistan. You'd think we'd have a clue about how that turned out, huh?

There are some Americans who look for bad guys under every rock and conspiracies in every closet. Most of them are paranoid and nuts. Some, most likely, are spoilers, throwing legitimate researchers off the track. Elvis? Who cares. Kennedy? There's probably something to that but who knows?

Our history has proven repeatedly that our government cannot be trusted. They experimented on soldiers with LSD. They exposed hundreds of thousands to radiation. It's a rather long list. As a historian I've read quite a few accounts. Our government chooses to keep many secrets although our constitution calls for freedom and free flow of information. If they have nothing to hide I say throw open the doors of the CIA, FBI, and Homeland Security and let the people in. They don't. So...if something smells fishy there's usually something dead somewhere.

The problem is that ******** gets stirred up with discovered facts and obvious reality so much it's hard to tell one from the other. The Alex Joneses' of the world do not help matters. But the truth is that most evidence is hidden in plain view. All one needs do is dig deep enough. I've dug pretty deep. The dots are there, maybe not all, but enough to create a fairly good picture of dirty dealing and dastardly deeds.

On this subject, Osama? Who knows, if they did kill the guy it was just a publicity stunt for ratings. Even if they didn't, same thing. What's far more important are the atrocities and murders in Iraq and Afghanistan and who knows where else? And to the life of me I still have not figured out the justification for even being in Afghanistan now, other than fill up the pockets of military contractors. Ugh...

 

[blackhole]

he could be alive.

i think the hardest part for them to manufacture, would be all of the witnesses, such as his wife and children who reportedly saw his head explode.

idk.

and after the incident, there was a bunch of chatter and al qaeda came right out and said "he is dead".

how does the u.s. manufacture that?

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lol, maybe they shot him with a red paintball!

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i hope he is alive..and being tortured.

 

[Ak5]

It's just so much planning and organizing and stuff.

There has to eventually be whistle-blowers!

Kill the person eh? What about the family? Kill them too? And the neighbors? Them as well? The community? The entire city? The entire region?

It's impossible to cover all that up... In the end, even if they were covering it up, what about the agents who did the killings? Kill them too?

It's just too much to cover up.... If they were killing them to "silence them" we could just connect the dots of the dead people and get to the root of everything!

 

[tedgresham]

It's just so much planning and organizing and stuff.

There has to eventually be whistle-blowers!

Kill the person eh? What about the family? Kill them too? And the neighbors? Them as well? The community? The entire city? The entire region?

It's impossible to cover all that up... In the end, even if they were covering it up, what about the agents who did the killings? Kill them too?

It's just too much to cover up.... If they were killing them to "silence them" we could just connect the dots of the dead people and get to the root of everything!

There is a bit of a point to what you say but the reality is people can be forced to keep their mouth shut easier than you think. The Manhattan project was one of the largest projects in US history but it was a complete surprise to everyone not a part of it after the bomb fell. People forget, people are shut up, people are paid off or threatened. History is full of people looking their way. Hell, all the world denied the holocaust all the way through the war. If something comes to light after the fact don't ask who knew, is it real, etc., ask who does this knowledge and/or the action benefit?

 

[blackhole]

the manhattan project was before the internet,

hell,

it was before many people had phones.

today information circles the globe in an instant

from ANYWHERE

your computer, your car, your phone...

very hard to orchestrate a conspiracy nowadays.

 

[IgnoredOne]

He's dead.

I've orchestrated conspiracies. Its not easy. Conspirators backstab each other; P2 is the best example of an actual extant conspiracy and it essentially was a glorified frat club.