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sadmoongaze

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It's been a painful day and I suppose every day is like that for me. But today just hit really hard. I'm not worth love and acceptance and it hurts. I feel ashamed really. So much do that I want to give up. I can't keep pushing to better myself when it's in vain.

If I violated a rule saying this, I am sorry. But life hurts too much.
 
I am very sorry you are feeling this way. Would you like to talk about your day?
 
I am very sorry you are feeling this way. Would you like to talk about your day?

It's hard to explain in full. I don't matter at work or anywhere in life. More so, there are a lot of things bothering me, like feeling like my sobriety is meaningless and feeling as though I have no reason to keep going on anymore. Also, I really hate the holidays.
 
I don’t know you well enough, but unless you’re some remorseless monster that harms innocent people then why wouldn’t you be worthy of love?

There have been many rejections and many people who find me ugly or unworthy for one reason or another. Even being considered "nice" has been seen as a bad thing. And you know what? Fine....I'm not worth love and acceptance. But I wish that it wasn't all around me or that I just did not care. But I do and it hurts.
 
There have been many rejections and many people who find me ugly or unworthy for one reason or another. Even being considered "nice" has been seen as a bad thing. And you know what? Fine....I'm not worth love and acceptance. But I wish that it wasn't all around me or that I just did not care. But I do and it hurts.
Your mistake is that you're taking on the unworthiness of THOSE people's love as being your own. In other words, you're accepting that just because certain people don't like you means that you're unlikable, and that isn't the case (unless you're the monster that I mentioned - are you?) If you surround yourself with the wrong people, you will always feel unworthy, out of place, unaccepted, etc. And I'm tired of people knocking niceness. My integrity is important to me, my principles that I adhere to, my beliefs and my philosophies. If my way of thinking isn't harming anyone around me, I am not going to change anything just to suit the expectations of others. If people don't like me, avoid me, hate me, etc, I either have to decide to become a hermit and forget about them, or I move to somewhere else where the society is a bit more accepting of me. I'm not going to remain in place and just whinge about my life situation over and over. If you're putting up with it, then you're either not serious enough to do anything about it or you're not really bothered by it enough. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, it's not always easy, I know it for a fact because advice I provide here is for my own benefit as well, but too many people on this forum must just get something from whining about their situation over and over and over again because they don't want to take that decisive step to make a notable change in their life situation. They raise all sorts of excuses, but when one is truly serious, one finds a way to make a change. If you don't make a change, then nothing will change. Period.
 
Your mistake is that you're taking on the unworthiness of THOSE people's love as being your own. In other words, you're accepting that just because certain people don't like you means that you're unlikable, and that isn't the case (unless you're the monster that I mentioned - are you?) If you surround yourself with the wrong people, you will always feel unworthy, out of place, unaccepted, etc. And I'm tired of people knocking niceness. My integrity is important to me, my principles that I adhere to, my beliefs and my philosophies. If my way of thinking isn't harming anyone around me, I am not going to change anything just to suit the expectations of others. If people don't like me, avoid me, hate me, etc, I either have to decide to become a hermit and forget about them, or I move to somewhere else where the society is a bit more accepting of me. I'm not going to remain in place and just whinge about my life situation over and over. If you're putting up with it, then you're either not serious enough to do anything about it or you're not really bothered by it enough. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, it's not always easy, I know it for a fact because advice I provide here is for my own benefit as well, but too many people on this forum must just get something from whining about their situation over and over and over again because they don't want to take that decisive step to make a notable change in their life situation. They raise all sorts of excuses, but when one is truly serious, one finds a way to make a change. If you don't make a change, then nothing will change. Period.

I won't say that you're wrong. But you know....I would like to think I have made an effort to change or better myself. Stuff like being sober for six years and overcoming my feeling of driving enough to get my license. But I can't do this anymore. I don't think it's entirely me not wanting to. I just don't feel I have anything left. I just am tired.
 
......I would like to think I have made an effort to change or better myself. Stuff like being sober for six years and overcoming my feeling of driving enough to get my license. But I can't do this anymore. I don't think it's entirely me not wanting to. I just don't feel I have anything left. I just am tired.
That's a commendable effort on your part being sober so long, and you should be proud of that achievement. When I say change, I don't necessarily mean change your personal self, I mean literally change where you are and what you do. Short of being held captive, or committed to caring for someone, you are free to go elsewhere and find new life. As for saying you can't do it anymore, well, you're still alive aren't you? You're still mobile, still able to move about unencumbered right? Being tired is still an excuse, unless you have certain health conditions that actually prevent your being active, and still some people can manage to do stuff. While you're alive, while you've still got blood pumping thru your veins, you're practically obligated to keep striving. You have a right to happiness like anyone else.

Hey, you know how when you get a cut on your skin and blood flows, then stops, then scabs over and heals, and maybe leaves a little scar, which eventually might fade? That's you body telling you that it wants to keep going, to keep living, to keep surviving for more life. Your body wants to keep going and it's only your mind that decides otherwise. Your heart will decide when your body has had enough by beating for the last time. It's your duty to keep it going until it decides otherwise.
 
That's a commendable effort on your part being sober so long, and you should be proud of that achievement. When I say change, I don't necessarily mean change your personal self, I mean literally change where you are and what you do. Short of being held captive, or committed to caring for someone, you are free to go elsewhere and find new life. As for saying you can't do it anymore, well, you're still alive aren't you? You're still mobile, still able to move about unencumbered right? Being tired is still an excuse, unless you have certain health conditions that actually prevent your being active, and still some people can manage to do stuff. While you're alive, while you've still got blood pumping thru your veins, you're practically obligated to keep striving. You have a right to happiness like anyone else.

Hey, you know how when you get a cut on your skin and blood flows, then stops, then scabs over and heals, and maybe leaves a little scar, which eventually might fade? That's you body telling you that it wants to keep going, to keep living, to keep surviving for more life. Your body wants to keep going and it's only your mind that decides otherwise. Your heart will decide when your body has had enough by beating for the last time. It's your duty to keep it going until it decides otherwise.

You said that some people on here whine over and over. I'm sorry but I feel that's a bit unfair. Your advice, which I assume works for you, isn't a one size fits all. And no, I'm not obligated to keep striving. I'm tired and it's not so much of an excuse as it is a painful reality that I am doing my damn best not to fully give in to. Because I don't want to live anymore. And whether it's cowardice or insanity that's stopping me....well, I don't fully know. What I do know is that the way I feel is very complex and changing things like where I live is not really a feasible option.

And if I may say, I hate the word change. The reasons are due to some pretty negative experiences with someone who kept saying that to me, but at the same time, made it where it did not matter how much I actually made any effort to do so. And I suppose maybe they were right because right now, I don't feel like those changes I mentioned really matter. I want them to but I can't see it right now.

So I'm sorry for not being more appreciative of what you're saying. But I hate life, I hate living and I hate that everything that I am doing is in vain. And yes, I very much realize that this could be seen as whining.
 
You said that some people on here whine over and over. I'm sorry but I feel that's a bit unfair.
But some do, whether you feel it's unfair or not.

Your advice, which I assume works for you,
As I've said many times, I preach my words to folks on here because I need to hear it myself, but that doesn't mean I heed my own advice all the time, or even enough of the time.

..... it is a painful reality that I am doing my damn best not to fully give in to.
Which is what? What are you actually doing?

Because I don't want to live anymore. And whether it's cowardice or insanity that's stopping me....well, I don't fully know.
How about "instinctual self preservation"?

What I do know is that the way I feel is very complex and changing things like where I live is not really a feasible option.
I have no doubt it feels very complex to you. How have you addressed your feelings? Getting off the booze is a great start, but what are you doing to help yourself see a positive path in your life? When I say changing where you live, I mean, not just trading one apartment/house for another, but being in a new sort of environment eg, from a bustling city to a open countryside, from being surrounded by people who treat you like the plague to a place where you are welcomed to be a part of.

And if I may say, I hate the word change. The reasons are due to some pretty negative experiences with someone who kept saying that to me, but at the same time, made it where it did not matter how much I actually made any effort to do so. And I suppose maybe they were right because right now, I don't feel like those changes I mentioned really matter.
Substitute the word change for reinvent, or growth, or metamorphosis then.

...but I can't see it right now.
Correct. And this is the issue with so many people on this forum. They can't see it right now. They need to be in a better place, a different place. You must have heard so many people over your lifetime say "I wish I knew then what I know now" or "20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing".

So I'm sorry for not being more appreciative of what you're saying.
You don't need to apologize to me. You don't even have to appreciate what I'm saying to you. I just hope I can perhaps open your eyes a little to a different perspective. You need to reach out to people who are willing to accept you into their circle and feel part of a group, feel some worth, some value, so you can make a positive difference to your life, and maybe someone else's.

But I hate life, I hate living and I hate that everything that I am doing is in vain.
You hate the way life is right now for you. You hate living the way you’re living now. You feel it's all in vain because you can't find a way to tackle your challenges in a way that can make a positive difference in your life. Find little things you can work on, one small building block at a time to make progress. Do you smile at yourself in the mirror? I bet you don't. Just start with that. Every day when you get up and look in the mirror, smile and say "I have the right to be happy." Sounds pathetically simplistic doesn't it. But why not do it every day, and see how you feel in a month's time? But don't just say it; say it like you believe it, because it's bloody true dammit.

And yes, I very much realize that this could be seen as whining.
I don't care if you whine. Just start doing things to develop yourself into a more positive person. Make a list of everything that bothers you, from the littlest thing to the biggest, and then think of what things might make you happier, then think of how you can slowly address the smallest things and work from there. Sure, it's a big task, but you've got the rest of your life to work on it, and if you're happier in the end, then job well done.

Sometimes we make things sound so complex and in our heads it appears that way, I know, but when we put pen to paper and start listing all of our problems down, a) we have started to define our challenges and b) every challenge has some sort of solution, so we can start to break down our challenges and start making headway to a better life, a more contented life.

I can't force you to do anything you don't want to do, and honestly, most people just aren't prepared to do what it takes to make a difference, so you have choices to make I guess. People have had it worse than you and made choices that took them to more positive situations and some made their choice to worse situations. If you put the word "winners" to all the people in the world who seem to have their lives sorted out and have lives that you'd enjoy having, then just say to yourself (as I often do) "I'm not giving up just to prove you (“winners”) are more worthy than me."

The spark of life chose to ignite within you man. It wants to keep lit. Keep it lit.
 
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