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M_also_lonely

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I have a friend whom I met few weeks ago. She is someon you can call a true friend. When she came to know the fact that I have trouble meeting people, she made me meet her friends. They were friendly to me, it was clear that they were behaving to be, because she had told her so to make me comfortable. But they are so smart, they talk so fast and topics that I dont understand. I was invited to her house and she was behaving differently than she does with me. Like, sometimes when they talk abd I ask them to explain, she said, "Leave it, you won't understand."
Everyone around me tells me so, " Leave it, its not for you."
Now I feel like I dont deserve her friendship. I feel lile I deserve nobody.

World is too smart for me to be involved with. I still feel lonely as before.

I want to tell her that I am too dumb to be her friend, but I dont know how to. How can I tell her and unfriend her??
 
M_also_lonely said:
I have a friend whom I met few weeks ago. She is someon you can call a true friend.

How can you call her a true friend? You said you just met her a few weeks ago. True friendship takes a long time to develop.

M_also_lonely said:
I want to tell her that I am too dumb to be her friend, but I dont know how to. How can I tell her and unfriend her??

You want to personally go up to someone and unfriend them like you do on Facebook? Ok.

Here's a tip. If you don't understand what they are saying try remembering what they were talking about and then when you go home do research on it. Then when you see them again bring up that subject and talk about what you learned about it.
 
To me it sounds like you're shy/introverted or don't socialize well in groups. What you are experiencing is "feeling left out."

If you do not socialize very rapidly like extroverts do, it doesn't make you dumb. It just means you need to find friends who will treat you as equals within a group setting (which this girl doesn't, because you are shy/awkward, possibly?) or perhaps other shy/introverted folks who prefer to socialize 1-to-1.

"Group dynamics" is utter crap, anyway. It's fake and full of distortion. If you're not good in groups, it is even worse.
 
M_also_lonely said:
I have a friend whom I met few weeks ago. She is someon you can call a true friend. When she came to know the fact that I have trouble meeting people, she made me meet her friends. They were friendly to me, it was clear that they were behaving to be, because she had told her so to make me comfortable. But they are so smart, they talk so fast and topics that I dont understand. I was invited to her house and she was behaving differently than she does with me. Like, sometimes when they talk abd I ask them to explain, she said, "Leave it, you won't understand."
Everyone around me tells me so, " Leave it, its not for you."
Now I feel like I dont deserve her friendship. I feel lile I deserve nobody.

World is too smart for me to be involved with. I still feel lonely as before.

I want to tell her that I am too dumb to be her friend, but I dont know how to. How can I tell her and unfriend her??

If her friend group has a lot of history together, they will have alot of "inside jokes" and stuff they talk about that has context to it. It's not necessarily stuff to do with being smart, just stuff to do with knowing each other. If that's the case, then you might want to stick it out long enough to become part of the context. Or at least to see if it will happen. It doesn't take a long time to build history within a stable group.

A good group of people should allow both the stuff you don't know about, and stuff you do, as you hang out and gain history. But if they always exclude you, that must feel bad.

I have a little mantra I say to myself, if I have to or want to stick with a group. I just repeat to myself: "It's not about me. It's not about me". It helps get over the bumps sometimes.
 
Things like this are why I avoid joining groups in anything more than the fringes. I will never belong.

The best thing I learned is that it's not my fault that I don't belong or that I should be ashamed. This is just the world, or at least how this society is structured. Social groups are designed specifically to exclude.

As much as we'd like to tell ourselves that it doesn't matter and we're still human, the reality of society is that it does matter.
 
there is no hope said:
Things like this are why I avoid joining groups in anything more than the fringes. I will never belong.

The best thing I learned is that it's not my fault that I don't belong or that I should be ashamed. This is just the world, or at least how this society is structured. Social groups are designed specifically to exclude.

As much as we'd like to tell ourselves that it doesn't matter and we're still human, the reality of society is that it does matter.

True.



When the last reply in the post was yours, this section on the main page read "When you dont deserve someone there is no hope" LOL
 
Heh, at least I made someone chuckle today. Little things. :)

It's difficult to maintain friendships between un-equals though, and even though many like to pretend that people are more or less equal, the reality of social hierarchy is unavoidable and colors everything, even in places where we're supposed to be free and worthy. Temporarily suppressing this reality requires severe mental conditioning, but it usually comes back to haunt those who try to fit in.

There are small things someone can do to be friendly and approachable as an outsider in a social group; oddly enough, they're not the things many people have suggested me to do, like "be myself". Being myself usually leads to quick shunning. I don't think ANYONE is themselves, being around other people necessarily requires someone to alter their state of mind based on who they are around. Stubborn people like myself hold on to the belief that a person is a person wherever they are, but the truth is that people engage in reality control (i.e. "doublethink") and alter themselves every day, and that is part of the price of participating in this society. I'm not talking about people suppressing themselves and faking confidence, I am saying that quite literally someone becomes a different person in the context of a social group.
 
Why not just be friends with her, just do things together. You don't have to socialise with her friends. They are her friends because they have a connection, but you might not have the same connection. You may also meet another person like you met her, but they might not get alone with your first friend. That is ok there is no rule that everyone has to be friends and get along.

It seems a shame to stop being her friend because the group setting wasn't right. How about just suggesting doing things together and if she suggests meeting her friends again either say you rather wouldn't as you don't feel comfortable around them, or go and just be yourself, so what if you don't understand, there is always something to learn, like a previous poster said remember what it was a look up.later, it might make a conversation go better at a later date. Also you may know things they have no idea about. Just try and enjoy the moment.

Good luck.
 
But why does she make me her friend when her other friends are so better than me? I will never be able to be as good and smart as them. I have nothing to offer her, there is nothing I have that makes me equal to her. Then why?? Is she planning a prank on me like those classmates did in the past? Why is she being good with me when I dont deserve that?
 
M_also_lonely said:
But why does she make me her friend when her other friends are so better than me? I will never be able to be as good and smart as them. I have nothing to offer her, there is nothing I have that makes me equal to her. Then why?? Is she planning a prank on me like those classmates did in the past? Why is she being good with me when I dont deserve that?

Who says her friends are better than you? Who is that to decide? Just be you, she obviously sees something in you she likes, because she is investing her time. You may think you have nothing to offer her, but she may think differently, maybe you are different to her other friends and she likes that, I have friends who are very different from one another and I value that individuality. Maybe she feels good around you?

Try not to think about pranks, anyone who does that is cruel. She maybe worth the risk of it to have a good friend.

Maybe just try and enjoy each situation for what it is. Be mindful when not around her so that you don't over think things. I know all that is easier said than done but it is worth a try.
 
M_also_lonely said:
But why does she make me her friend when her other friends are so better than me? I will never be able to be as good and smart as them. I have nothing to offer her, there is nothing I have that makes me equal to her. Then why?? Is she planning a prank on me like those classmates did in the past? Why is she being good with me when I dont deserve that?

The negativity you have about yourself is bringing you down, making you doubt yourself and making you feel not good enough.

You ARE good enough.
Going off what BeyondShy said, do you have a smartphone? You could always discretely look up whatever you don't understand at the party. If not, looking it up when you get home is a good enough.
I also agree with the advice of Batman, Sometimes and She-Ra. You are overthinking things again.
 
M,
You have to stop saying people are better than you. You are just fine. Please just be yourself, smile and enjoy the company. Noone is hanging with you out of pity, and you are not stupid.

So...start acting like you belong (because you do), and you will feel more confident. "fake it til you make it".

Don't force yourself to be lonely when there are people that WANT to be your friend.
 
M_also_lonely said:
Then why?? Is she planning a prank on me like those classmates did in the past? Why is she being good with me when I dont deserve that?

You won't know unless you go through it. Accept your friend for the person you like and try not to worry about what may happen.
If you approach something with a can-do attitude, you are far more likely to achieve better results (even if you're 'faking it til you make it').

If it's some elaborate prank, take them to court and spend the money on something nice for yourself :)
Just my opinions, I also think you are over-thinking this. Try to relax a little, let it be what it will be and take it as it comes, after all worrying about it won't change things (other than perhaps lend a negative influence of doubts)
 
It sounds like you might just be new to their circle so you might not get everything they're talking about. "A few weeks" is a short time but if you're around them for longer you will start to understand them better.

People can certainly act different in a group than when you're with them one on one but that's not because of malice or anything there's just more people to focus on. So their main focus isn't always going to be on you and sometimes they will talk about stuff you just won't get but they're probably not trying to make you feel like honeysuckle or anything. Maybe if it's really bothering you try having a discussion with your "main" friend when it's just you and her and maybe she'll explain some stuff and give you some advice or reassurance. If she's your friend and she really understands how you have trouble in these situations she will help you.

I have the same trouble in groups and it all goes so fast for me in those conversations, even though I know the people well. But they know that about me and it's no big deal so I don't stress about it.

I doubt it's some sort of conspiracy against you.
 
M, just relax. You wanted a friend so bad, but now you get one and you want to "unfriend" her? Come on man.
No more of this "I'm not good enough". You're fine the way you are. She accepted you, so accept her. And try to accept her friends, too. Even if it's a little uncomfortable you can get used to them and eventually you won't feel uncomfortable anymore, or at least you'll figure things out and the socialization will help you learn how to socialize better for the future.

In high school I met a friend almost exactly like you're talking about. She also had me hang out with her friends a few times and I was extremely uncomfortable. I felt very similar to the way you do. She was a good friend back then. She was basically the first friend I ever really had. Having her helped me to learn how to socialize a lot more. Honestly I never learned to be very comfortable around her other friends but I also didn't see them that much. I did ignore all the stuff I didn't understand, though. There's no point in worrying about it. And if she says 'you wouldn't understand it' she probably means something just her friends talk about and nothing important enough to explain, and maybe something you'll figure out later. Just let those things go and enjoy the rest of the time. There's no point in 'comparing yourself' to her other friends, either. You're different than they are, you're a different person, that's why she likes you.

Now stop beating yourself up and go have some fun. This is what you wanted, after all. Enjoy the time you have. There will be time for worrying later.
 
there is no hope said:
It's difficult to maintain friendships between un-equals though, and even though many like to pretend that people are more or less equal, the reality of social hierarchy is unavoidable and colors everything, even in places where we're supposed to be free and worthy. Temporarily suppressing this reality requires severe mental conditioning, but it usually comes back to haunt those who try to fit in.

Un-equal? Hardly. Again ask yourself is this supposed to be a supportive kind of site, or a site where you should spread your brand of pessimism and (unintentionally perhaps) encourage people to give up, like you have apparently?

The reality is people are *generally* equal. If you want to go ahead and talk upper-class vs. lower-class then yes there are differences according to wealth and such. People will be treated differently based on this. But if you are talking about specific social situations like this one, the problem seems that he is shy and awkward. Which in fact does *not* make him "lesser," it makes him different than the others in the group. Nonetheless it does seem like you place high value on "popularity" or act is if extroverts are of "greater" value. Perhaps I'm wrong on that; if not, I feel sorry for you.


One last thing btw, you may find helpful. I find it helpful. The only opinion of yourself that really, truly matters is your own. If you can learn to like yourself and feel secure, then all that other BS you're seeing both on and offline about people being "less value" just goes away, it doesn't matter anymore. It won't happen overnight, I certainly haven't done it. But try at least.
 
Batman55 said:
there is no hope said:
It's difficult to maintain friendships between un-equals though, and even though many like to pretend that people are more or less equal, the reality of social hierarchy is unavoidable and colors everything, even in places where we're supposed to be free and worthy. Temporarily suppressing this reality requires severe mental conditioning, but it usually comes back to haunt those who try to fit in.

Un-equal? Hardly. Again ask yourself is this supposed to be a supportive kind of site, or a site where you should spread your brand of pessimism and (unintentionally perhaps) encourage people to give up, like you have apparently?

The reality is people are *generally* equal. If you want to go ahead and talk upper-class vs. lower-class then yes there are differences according to wealth and such. People will be treated differently based on this. But if you are talking about specific social situations like this one, the problem seems that he is shy and awkward. Which in fact does *not* make him "lesser," it makes him different than the others in the group. Nonetheless it does seem like you place high value on "popularity" or act is if extroverts are of "greater" value. Perhaps I'm wrong on that; if not, I feel sorry for you.


One last thing btw, you may find helpful. I find it helpful. The only opinion of yourself that really, truly matters is your own. If you can learn to like yourself and feel secure, then all that other BS you're seeing both on and offline about people being "less value" just goes away, it doesn't matter anymore. It won't happen overnight, I certainly haven't done it. But try at least.



Value judgements are what they are. For me personally (since I'm sure this is intended as a character attack on me, and some may confuse my position) - I only see people as unworthy of a place in the world when they repeatedly make it clear they stand for perpetual inequality and social hierarchy for its own sake and act in the interest of the same. Such people generally don't care what I think. Even then, when those people no longer have a place in the hierarchy, I'm willing to forgive them so long as they are no longer a threat to me personally, and understand that their continued behavior is to an extent unavoidable.

You'd have to be incredibly ignorant to assume that social inferiority in general can magically disappear if you just believe. Indeed, one of the worst things in my experience is further guilting the socially marginalized into believing their poor social station is entirely their own fault, and that they have to do every possible thing to abide by others' judgements. Unfortunately, those who are marginalized often have no one left but themselves, even though there is no good reason why someone should ever have to feel inferior.

Social class, by the way, has very little to do with wealth. In practice, economics is used to reinforce social hierarchy and present (false) incentives to participate in the hierarchy, but social class is largely determined by behavior and psychology. An illiterate farmer would never be confused for an educated bureaucrat no matter how much money the latter has, and to the educated middle-class functionary, any social rank difference between proles is largely irrelevant except as a means of control.

Anyway...
Believe it or not, I am trying to be supportive, and in a way the people telling OP to ignore what he's thinking are causing more harm than good. If someone feels inferior in this situation, maybe it's because he has reasons to feel that way. It's not right to just dismiss his thoughts on the matter as incorrect thoughts, and that usually has the effect of intensifying social isolation more than anything.
It's one thing to tell someone that social class and others' judgements don't matter, but another thing to understand why and believe it.

I think ultimately, as a newcomer to any group, it's okay to be on the fringes and not understand injokes and whatnot, and in many cases you may never really be "in". That doesn't mean that being around those people has to be a bad thing though. Groups may not greet outsiders with acceptance, but that is different from groups that eviscerate those outside their circle and feed into each others' bad behavior.
Also - it's NEVER going to be fun to be left out of the loop, even in the most benign way possible. I'm sure nothing was meant by what happened, but it's going to be noticeably awkward. I don't know a good solution to this... typically I want to stay on the fringes of any social group, as this allows me a lot more freedom to come and go as I please, and I work better as a more or less independent agent. The few people I have really close connections with are family, and even then most of my family needs to live their own life and my presence would only be disruptive.
 
Forget the equal part for now. In any budding friendship you need to take time to see if you can connect. It can take trial and error. But you will not get the friendships you want if you don't give it a chance. You may hit a stumbling block in the beginning and even possibly further along, but with ANY relationship there is tolerance, sacrifice and give and take take on both sides. Nothing is perfect and you should not expect it to be. My best friend when I first knew her I thought she hated my guts when I first met her and vice versa. It was my reaction to her demeanor, she can stand looking hard because she doesn't want people to walk over her, so I subconciously put up my defences unbeknownst to me. It was only when we had chance to talk in the company of a group (which actually in a group setting helped relax the situation for us) we both found we actually liked each other once our defences were down. It took a while and careful treading in the beginning, but she is now my best friend and we laugh at our ways at first now.

You have to ask yourself what you want, do you want friends etc. Or are you happy without. If not do your own thing and fine. But if you want friends, it takes a certain amount of risk and making yourself open to making them.
 

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