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[Skorian]

Telling you about this site....

Bluey is much better at mind reading then alot of folks...

Skorian, you don't know every member here, and you can't be too confident with your judgment about each. I think that no one is above anyone, specially in this forum. This is a forum for people who feel like they can't fit in the real world and you implying that some don't have the capabilities or understanding than some members just cos they're new members isn't really helping at all. I found your comment insulting, but I don't know you and you don't know, so *shrugs*

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Also, the reason why I commented on this thread is that I thought that the mods should have at least a bit of appreciation that they are trying their best to unban people as soon as possible. Cos everyone is ticked off with this inconvenience, and I think if it's really a big inconvenience in your part, then better PM the mods or owner who can help you directly. Of course a thread to propose a better filter system would also be helpful as we never know, we might have some members here (even ''new'' members) who knows a lot more about security systems. That's what I thought, and sorry for stepping on your lines. (d)

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This sounds like paranoia. I hope you have some awareness. You are creating problems out of thin air. Why?

I was simply having a conversation with Bluey. He said what I was saying. It was as simple as that. He has even tried to turn what you are doing into a good thing... You can certainly make it into any sort of conspiracy against you that you like. Let your imagination run wild and pop into a fountain of horror and pain of your own creation. And go right ahead and blame it on everyone, but yourself.

There are alot of things I could say about what I see you doing. There are alot of questions I could ask that you might not like. It sounds like you want to fight for the sake of fighting. Take ownership of your anger.

Probably Bluey knows me well enough from the past to know that I do like to burst peoples bubbles. Should I focus on them Bluey?

 

[Callie]

People have a right to feel what they feel. People also have a right to be insulted by something someone says. This doesn't mean you get to make them feel worse by trying to JUSTIFYING yourself. It just makes you look like an ass.

Floffy has a right to her opinions the same as you do, don't beat her down because of that.

I can't see Floffy "fighting for the sake of fighting," but I will and do. It's entertaining sometimes when it doesn't cross any lines. BUT I also stand up for people I care about.

 

[Skorian]

People have a right to feel what they feel. People also have a right to be insulted by something someone says. This doesn't mean you get to make them feel worse by trying to JUSTIFYING yourself. It just makes you look like an ass.

Floffy has a right to her opinions the same as you do, don't beat her down because of that.

I can't see Floffy "fighting for the sake of fighting," but I will and do. It's entertaining sometimes when it doesn't cross any lines. BUT I also stand up for people I care about.

And these feelings lead to people being lonely.

When people look at the world, what they see is not the world, but their own reflection. That reflection is their own mind, their own thoughts. I really don't care to have that pointed at me in an attempt to see something that is not real. Only I know what my words mean. Someone can think that they can put anything into them that they want, but if they take them for something other then what is said, then it is their problem, not mine. People need to take ownership of their "reflection". What it means, where it comes from, and why they feel as they do.

The truth is that words are given meaning by the mind. They do not have value in the world itself. In the world itself they are simply empty meaningless symbols, lines. What that means is that in truth, people take what they see and choose to beat themselves down, by reading into things what they want to see. It is ALL choice. Some people have more ability to see and control that then others. But still not facing the fact that it is all a choice is a real problem. Every ounce of what you read, you create.... Not accepting that fact... Well that is up to you.

Even if someone cusses at you, and I am not. How a person faces that is all their choice.

This may actually be the heart of ink blot tests.... I think they are ridiculous, but maybe right at this second my thinking is why ink blots are used. Myself I see ink that is a mess. A small "i" can look like a threat to some people. Blame me, go right ahead and tell me that my "i" is mean.

If I look like an ass to you, then good for you. Again, choice. It isn't actually even me you are seeing, but your own mind and thoughts. Your reflection. People decide what they see, even if they don't realize it. If you blame anyone, but yourself, then you deal with the consequences of that. If in the case of this site, that is loneliness, then it is actually your own fault. The fact that people blame others is where many people go wrong.

 

[Callie]

People have a right to feel what they feel. People also have a right to be insulted by something someone says. This doesn't mean you get to make them feel worse by trying to JUSTIFYING yourself. It just makes you look like an ass.

Floffy has a right to her opinions the same as you do, don't beat her down because of that.

I can't see Floffy "fighting for the sake of fighting," but I will and do. It's entertaining sometimes when it doesn't cross any lines. BUT I also stand up for people I care about.

And these feelings lead to people being lonely.

When people look at the world, what they see is not the world, but their own reflection. That reflection is their own mind, their own thoughts. I really don't care to have that pointed at me in an attempt to see something that is not real. Only I know what my words mean. Someone can think that they can put anything into them that they want, but if they take them for something other then what is said, then it is their problem, not mine. People need to take ownership of their "reflection". What it means, where it comes from, and why they feel as they do.

The truth is that words are given meaning by the mind. They do not have value in the world itself. In the world itself they are simply empty meaningless symbols, lines. What that means is that in truth, people take what they see and choose to beat themselves down, by reading into things what they want to see. It is ALL choice. Some people have more ability to see and control that then others. But still not facing the fact that it is all a choice is a real problem. Every ounce of what you read, you create.... Not accepting that fact... Well that is up to you.

Even if someone cusses at you, and I am not. How a person faces that is all their choice.

This may actually be the heart of ink blot tests.... I think they are ridiculous, but maybe right at this second my thinking is why ink blots are used. Myself I see ink that is a mess. A small "i" can look like a threat to some people. Blame me, go right ahead and tell me that my "i" is mean.

If I look like an ass to you, then good for you. Again, choice. It isn't actually even me you are seeing, but your own mind and thoughts. Your reflection. People decide what they see, even if they don't realize it. If you blame anyone, but yourself, then you deal with the consequences of that. If in the case of this site, that is loneliness, then it is actually your own fault. The fact that people blame others is where many people go wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with you about people being responsible for interpreting what others say. Hell, look at my avatar, it says just that. What I'm saying is that when a lot of people interpret it the same way, it's obvious that you are coming off the wrong way. Whether it's your tone or the way you write something or whatever other reason.
BUT, by you saying that she is creating a problem out of thin air is not accurate. She obviously took whatever you said (by your own words) in a different way than you intended, so she spoke up about it. You could have simply set her straight without making it entirely out to be HER problem, because it's not entirely HER problem being as a few people took what you said the same way she did.

 

[Sprint]

Bluey is one of the oldest members of this site....

I can see the relevancy of this mention. It's ironic that such a long time member and former admin can be banned like this. Purely based on simple logic because of both facts equaling that he would obviously mean this site no harm.

What I think about more often though is the newest members being banned. That isn't ironic at all & in fact I could see it becoming tragic. A lot of people, when they first come here, are at the end of their ropes & being banned suddenly & for no reason at all could push them over the edge.

 

[EveWasFramed]

Just a bit of FYI for everyone...

Bjarne is aware of what goes on here (as far as spampers). He has access to the mod forum, where we post daily about members being banned, and he has also told us that he will monitor the forum.

 

[floffyschneeman]

This sounds like paranoia. I hope you have some awareness. You are creating problems out of thin air. Why?

I was simply having a conversation with Bluey. He said what I was saying. It was as simple as that. He has even tried to turn what you are doing into a good thing... You can certainly make it into any sort of conspiracy against you that you like. Let your imagination run wild and pop into a fountain of horror and pain of your own creation. And go right ahead and blame it on everyone, but yourself.

There are alot of things I could say about what I see you doing. There are alot of questions I could ask that you might not like. It sounds like you want to fight for the sake of fighting. Take ownership of your anger.

Probably Bluey knows me well enough from the past to know that I do like to burst peoples bubbles. Should I focus on them Bluey?

Have you ever read what i posted and understood it?I was merely stating my opinion. and you came to ask me... Do you know Bluey?

How is that relevant? I just think that technical issues like these are best address when spoken to the right people. But what you are trying to say is that I have no right to share my thoughts on someone's thread made by an old member? I know that the filter system sucks and needs to be addressed, I agree with bluey. Also, don't make up assumptions on how well you know people. This is an opinion based forum, as mostly all forums are. It's so funny how you've came up with all those with just a simple opinion I've shared, just cos it's a thread made by an old member.

 

[Skorian]

Bluey is one of the oldest members of this site....

I can see the relevancy of this mention. It's ironic that such a long time member and former admin can be banned like this. Purely based on simple logic because of both facts equaling that he would obviously mean this site no harm.

What I think about more often though is the newest members being banned. That isn't ironic at all & in fact I could see it becoming tragic. A lot of people, when they first come here, are at the end of their ropes & being banned suddenly & for no reason at all could push them over the edge.

That is a very good point. People who are new can get banned and never come back as a result, thinking whatever they do from the auto ban.

 

[Peter Lorre]

People have a right to feel what they feel. People also have a right to be insulted by something someone says. This doesn't mean you get to make them feel worse by trying to JUSTIFYING yourself. It just makes you look like an ass.

Floffy has a right to her opinions the same as you do, don't beat her down because of that.

I can't see Floffy "fighting for the sake of fighting," but I will and do. It's entertaining sometimes when it doesn't cross any lines. BUT I also stand up for people I care about.

And these feelings lead to people being lonely.

When people look at the world, what they see is not the world, but their own reflection. That reflection is their own mind, their own thoughts. I really don't care to have that pointed at me in an attempt to see something that is not real. Only I know what my words mean. Someone can think that they can put anything into them that they want, but if they take them for something other then what is said, then it is their problem, not mine. People need to take ownership of their "reflection". What it means, where it comes from, and why they feel as they do.

The truth is that words are given meaning by the mind. They do not have value in the world itself. In the world itself they are simply empty meaningless symbols, lines. What that means is that in truth, people take what they see and choose to beat themselves down, by reading into things what they want to see. It is ALL choice. Some people have more ability to see and control that then others. But still not facing the fact that it is all a choice is a real problem. Every ounce of what you read, you create.... Not accepting that fact... Well that is up to you.

Even if someone cusses at you, and I am not. How a person faces that is all their choice.

This may actually be the heart of ink blot tests.... I think they are ridiculous, but maybe right at this second my thinking is why ink blots are used. Myself I see ink that is a mess. A small "i" can look like a threat to some people. Blame me, go right ahead and tell me that my "i" is mean.

If I look like an ass to you, then good for you. Again, choice. It isn't actually even me you are seeing, but your own mind and thoughts. Your reflection. People decide what they see, even if they don't realize it. If you blame anyone, but yourself, then you deal with the consequences of that. If in the case of this site, that is loneliness, then it is actually your own fault. The fact that people blame others is where many people go wrong.

That's all very nice, but what you said was so vague that it created a need for interpretation. Your words did not make their meaning clear at all and as such you could have done a much better job explaning yourself. I can understand it being seen as a somewhat offensive statement as a result of this.

Now, on your theory that reality is simply reflection. It is true that what we perceive as reality is influenced by our thoughts, background, upbringing, ... The borders of my language are the borders of my world, right? You're taking your interpretation of these words too far however.

First of all, this is a too simplistic view of reality and the human mind; one that denies the plurality of the human mind and the role of the subconscious. What we do and say is not always completely rational, we don't just choose what we see all the time. Secondly, I might be hindered and limited by my upbringing and linguistical boundaries, but that doesn't mean that society or reality is just the sum of individual views. There are things that are considered a social consensus within a certain community/social group/whatever you want to call it and certain cultural groups have their own behavioural codes or rules for social traffic. When I see someone acting like an ass, I don't see myself in them, but I see ideas at work. I see the notion of what an ass is in practice, a notion that can differentiate regarding which social group I belong to. This means that one can identify someone being an ass within a said cultural atmosphere if that someone behaves abnormally. Obviously human beings are influenced by their social and cultural 'groups', but that doesn't give you the right to just walk around and say 'I can do what I want, because how you interpret it says more about you than about me'. lol, can't you see that it works both ways?

Also, it's a bit hypocritical of you to say that Floffy shouldn't be wasting her time trying to interpret your words because only you can know what you mean, while you interpreted hers and assumed all kinds of things about her personality. If you don't clearly tell people what you mean, then how can they not attempt to interpret it? Or are you suggesting that we should just simply stop communicating?

And oh btw, the fact that he's an old member is still not relevant. It doesn't make him more than other members (although I personally think it should earn him some respect), it doesn't automatically mean that he knows all the forum rules and it also doesn't guarantee that he has nothing but good intentions towards the forum and its community. There have been many groups that suddenly got betrayed by one of their longstanding members... so if human beings can't always see this, then how will an anti-spambot?

 

[Skorian]

People have a right to feel what they feel. People also have a right to be insulted by something someone says. This doesn't mean you get to make them feel worse by trying to JUSTIFYING yourself. It just makes you look like an ass.

Floffy has a right to her opinions the same as you do, don't beat her down because of that.

I can't see Floffy "fighting for the sake of fighting," but I will and do. It's entertaining sometimes when it doesn't cross any lines. BUT I also stand up for people I care about.

And these feelings lead to people being lonely.

When people look at the world, what they see is not the world, but their own reflection. That reflection is their own mind, their own thoughts. I really don't care to have that pointed at me in an attempt to see something that is not real. Only I know what my words mean. Someone can think that they can put anything into them that they want, but if they take them for something other then what is said, then it is their problem, not mine. People need to take ownership of their "reflection". What it means, where it comes from, and why they feel as they do.

The truth is that words are given meaning by the mind. They do not have value in the world itself. In the world itself they are simply empty meaningless symbols, lines. What that means is that in truth, people take what they see and choose to beat themselves down, by reading into things what they want to see. It is ALL choice. Some people have more ability to see and control that then others. But still not facing the fact that it is all a choice is a real problem. Every ounce of what you read, you create.... Not accepting that fact... Well that is up to you.

Even if someone cusses at you, and I am not. How a person faces that is all their choice.

This may actually be the heart of ink blot tests.... I think they are ridiculous, but maybe right at this second my thinking is why ink blots are used. Myself I see ink that is a mess. A small "i" can look like a threat to some people. Blame me, go right ahead and tell me that my "i" is mean.

If I look like an ass to you, then good for you. Again, choice. It isn't actually even me you are seeing, but your own mind and thoughts. Your reflection. People decide what they see, even if they don't realize it. If you blame anyone, but yourself, then you deal with the consequences of that. If in the case of this site, that is loneliness, then it is actually your own fault. The fact that people blame others is where many people go wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with you about people being responsible for interpreting what others say. Hell, look at my avatar, it says just that. What I'm saying is that when a lot of people interpret it the same way, it's obvious that you are coming off the wrong way. Whether it's your tone or the way you write something or whatever other reason.

Let me make this really simple. This is what you are claiming is coming across wrong. "Bluey is one of the oldest members of this site...." To put it bluntly, to find fault with that statement is coo coo. Ok, now I am not being very nice. But anyway,

This behavior is how people get themselves into a sort of cycle of violence. Even if it is violent words. Even if those words are generally mild. Blaming and then offering a solution of saying, sorry, for a slight that didn't exist to begin with. I grew up with a father that would do that and do not have interest in such behavior. It is manipulative, paranoid, passive aggressive, I think some people call it a spin cycle. I know that there is alot of this on this site. And I know it drives many people away. People try to cover it up with "pure" support, but it is allowing behavior just like I point out to be reinforced and continued. It isn't right. It is a reason why being "too" nice is very destructive. So you can support someones opinion, but in doing so you are continuing bad behavior. It is hard when people are really down and need support, but people also use that to force people to feel sorry for them. And in feeling sorry for them, then use that to create fictional problems. I wish I had easy answers. This is what I see here. Nothing is perfect and no one is perfect, but I am simply saying "I" won't put up with it. I will call people on that if I really look at it and have time.

It is a matter of how people get attention. Creating problems is not a good way. It looks alot like, give me what I want or I will cause trouble. Some people may like it, but some of this stuff IRL escalates. I personally don't like it. Claiming numbers as evidence, millions of people are wrong about things. It is not evidence of truth. Especially when you have a bunch of people doing the same thing themselves and wanting to justify it.


BUT, by you saying that she is creating a problem out of thin air is not accurate. She obviously took whatever you said (by your own words) in a different way than you intended, so she spoke up about it. You could have simply set her straight without making it entirely out to be HER problem, because it's not entirely HER problem being as a few people took what you said the same way she did.

Someone may want to find out how the banning works and put a big note somewhere that lets people know it is not their fault. Let them know they will be unbanned and that their is a imperfect filter. What exactly is triggering the thing?

They may be something broken that can be fixed if it is figured out what is not right.

 

[EveWasFramed]

Sorry, only Bjarne has access to those areas of the forum.

 

[Callie]

Let me make this really simple. This is what you are claiming is coming across wrong. "Bluey is one of the oldest members of this site...." To put it bluntly, to find fault with that statement is coo coo. Ok, now I am not being very nice. But anyway,

This behavior is how people get themselves into a sort of cycle of violence. Even if it is violent words. Even if those words are generally mild. Blaming and then offering a solution of saying, sorry, for a slight that didn't exist to begin with. I grew up with a father that would do that and do not have interest in such behavior. It is manipulative, paranoid, passive aggressive, I think some people call it a spin cycle. I know that there is alot of this on this site. And I know it drives many people away. People try to cover it up with "pure" support, but it is allowing behavior just like I point out to be reinforced and continued. It isn't right. It is a reason why being "too" nice is very destructive. So you can support someones opinion, but in doing so you are continuing bad behavior. It is hard when people are really down and need support, but people also use that to force people to feel sorry for them. And in feeling sorry for them, then use that to create fictional problems. I wish I had easy answers. This is what I see here. Nothing is perfect and no one is perfect, but I am simply saying "I" won't put up with it. I will call people on that if I really look at it and have time.

It is a matter of how people get attention. Creating problems is not a good way. It looks alot like, give me what I want or I will cause trouble. Some people may like it, but some of this stuff IRL escalates. I personally don't like it. Claiming numbers as evidence, millions of people are wrong about things. It is not evidence of truth. Especially when you have a bunch of people doing the same thing themselves and wanting to justify it.

No offense, but what you said is somewhat hypocritical. YOU yourself are taking this and escalating it by trying to prove that you are right and we are wrong, when you yourself say it's how we interpret it. MORE THAN ONE person thinks what you said was wrong and even "took it the wrong way," but really? YOU are creating attention for yourself and therefore also creating problems because you come across as pompous and hypocritical.
I call people out when they do things that are wrong and/or I disagree with them and I even say the word ****, so what. It's all a matter of what works for each person. I see nothing wrong with *gasp* using bad word.

 

[EveWasFramed]

OK, enough.