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Thrasymachus

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Charles Bukowski is an author/poet whom I admire and I agree with much of his views about women. I especially like the excerpt from Ham on Rye about how most the vapid, ornamental women look beautiful from the surface, afar, but you want to either hide or murder when you hear them expose their inner self, which is blackened and crusted.

page 77
... If I had been born a woman I would have certainly been a prostitute. Since I had been born a man, I craved women constantly, the lower the better. A yet women -- good women -- frightened me because they eventually wanted your soul, and what was left of mine, I wanted to keep. Basically I craved prostitutes, base women, because they were deadly and hard and made no personal demands. Nothing was lost when they left. Yet at the same time I yearned for a gentle, good woman, despite the overwhelming price. Either way I was lost. A strong man would give up both. I wasn't strong. So I continued to struggle with women, the idea of a woman.

page 188
"What do you think of women?" she asked.
"I'm not a thinker. Every woman is different. Basically they seem to be a combination of the best and the worst -- both magic and terrible. I'm glad they exist, however."

Source:
Bukowski, Charles. Women. (Ecco, 2002).


And nothing was interesting, nothing. The people were restrictive and careful, all alike. And I've got to live with these fuckers for the rest of my life, I thought. God, they all had ******** and sexual organs and their mouths and their armpits. They **** and they chattered and they were dull as horse dung. The girls looked good from a distance, the sun shining through their dresses, their hair. But get up close and listen to their minds running out of their mouths, you felt like digging in under a hill and hiding out with a tommy-gun. Frankly, I was horrified by life, at what a man had to do simply in order to eat, sleep, and keep himself clothed. So I stayed in bed and drank.

Source:
Ham on Rye: A Novel
 
I find this "poetry" extremely negative & quite frankly, derogatory towards women. If anyone should feel this way towards women, it should be me...... & I don't.

We attract what we are, & if we keep attracting "blackened & crusted" women ... we should try to improve that within ourselves. Generalizing all women as if they are viper demons from hell.... isn't the answer.
 
Keep in mind that when he was writing these things, the cultural mindset was quite different from today. He wrote what he understood; nothing more, nothing less.

To take the words of ANY poet as prophecy or absolute truth is quite stupid, if you ask me.

All we have are glimpses into another man's thought processes, tainted as they are by his bias.*

*I don't want to get into explaining how there can be no TRUE display of self by an artist-- ANY ARTIST.
 
Ah, alcohol, the solution to life.

I'm a writer myself. We're thoughtful and introspective, but we're as relevant to knowing all things as a dolphin is to wisdom. Just any Joe, though our rambles usually sound better.

Anyway, I don't find that attractive women have 'ugly' souls at all. I also think that people sometimes overestimate the importance of beauty as an indicator of anything about a person.
 
I am going to ask you a profound question for my own amusement:

If ****s aren't the answer, then what is?
 
SophiaGrace said:
I am going to ask you a profound question for my own amusement:

If ****s aren't the answer, then what is?

Whoa, Sophia - did someone hack into your account?? :O

Teresa

 

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