Disgusting..

[Steel]

My personal belief is that punishments for crimes should be about protection (from the criminal) rather than revenge. While there are indeed predatory sex criminals/abusers, there are also some who have been unfairly, in many ways, lumped into the same category, such as in the common situation of a consensual sexual relationship occuring with partners just either side of the legal age limit.

There is some merit in treating the former as if they are mentally ill - they can be removed from society to high security mental institutions until such time (if ever) there is no danger of them committing further offences. I feel that this is a better situation than potentially releasing an offender because their sentence has been served - even though there may still be a strong danger of reoffending.

 

[Nyktimos]

I understand what everyone is saying about feeling compassion towards those who abuse because they might have been abused when they were young as well.. But it only goes so far.. I am kind of sensitive about this subject because my father's best friend from childhood molested [who wasn't in fact abused when he was a child] his daughter whom was my best friend since I was very young.. And well the story goes on, but I'd rather not go into that story.. I can admit I exaggerated a little bit with this thread, but when a man kidnaps a five year old and has their way with her and then murders her.. That's going TOO far.. And I feel those kinds of people deserve no compassion.. I may not beat their head in with a lead pipe, but I WOULD go out of my way to make sure everyone around them knew they were dangerous, and could possibly ruin a child's life.

Of course. I would say that to feel compassion does not absolve us from the responsibility of dealing with those dangerous to children. I can feel sorry for someone abused, but they must still be treated harshly if they abuse, whether I feel sorry for them or not.

My personal belief is that punishments for crimes should be about protection (from the criminal) rather than revenge. While there are indeed predatory sex criminals/abusers, there are also some who have been unfairly, in many ways, lumped into the same category, such as in the common situation of a consensual sexual relationship occuring with partners just either side of the legal age limit.

There is some merit in treating the former as if they are mentally ill - they can be removed from society to high security mental institutions until such time (if ever) there is no danger of them committing further offences. I feel that this is a better situation than potentially releasing an offender because their sentence has been served - even though there may still be a strong danger of reoffending.

This is also true. The important thing, compassion or not, is to protect the innocent.

 

[Skorian]

I recently watched the extras of the documentary Sicko and if indeed Norway’s convict treatment as portrayed in that is accurate, then I totally agree that they have the right idea. Small wonder that they have such low crime.

Sadly here in the US, prisons are run like a business that sometimes forgets its purpose. I consider our prison system to be the equivalent of a university for criminals. Meaning the system tends to make people worse criminals, rather then better people.

It truly is maddening that people treat those who have done wrong so horribly. Considering the fact that such treatment is only likely to make them lash out and do even greater harm. Ultimately everyone who mistreats those who behave badly becomes a part of who and what they are. I find it astonishing that most people are so simple minded to not see that when you tell someone they are bad and treat someone bad, they come to believe they disserve it and will actually work to become what people tell them they are. American culture is directly responsible for stabbing itself squarely in the back. Are too many people here simply too stupid to learn? Why are so many in this country so simple minded?

I often wonder what would happen if you ran advanced medical tests on people in such places. Would you find many have managed to acquire large doses of toxic compounds? Pollution, heavy metals. I have seen studies that show that much criminal behavior is a result of nutritional deficiencies and that when given the proper nutrients people begin to behave more normally. There are a number of groups that have shown this.

Why is criminal behavior so common in the US? Does our capitalistic system draw the nastiest people in the world to us? Where they have kids and pass on some toxic gene? Is this why people in this country are so far behind the curve from other advanced societies? What is wrong with this country? Why are we so backwards that we don't even know we are behind and believe we are ahead of the curve? I sometimes wonder if there is some crazy conspiracy behind this country being so backwards and miss informed.

I have read that nature in this day and age is starting to show aberrant behavior that many blame on endocrine disruptors and hormone mimics. I find it sad to hear that animals are behaving in ways never documented before in the past.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

It's call simple FREEDOM.
With freedom comes responsiblities.
Keep it simple and you'll never be confussed.

Such as...I'm not responsible for my fucken disease...I'm repsonsible for my recovery.
Such as if a person is fucken sick...they're responsible for taking thier medication or taking treatment.

Such as prison is not suppost to be fucken summer camp.
There's plenty of mother fuckers that pleaded the insanity defence...lmao

Such as..if you play russian rolette...
drink and drive...if you get cuaght you might go to jail
if you kill someone..you'll go to prison.
You're all fucken adults and can make your own fucken decisions....becuase you're fucken men. That's what you all say.
When you **** up and hurt people...take it like a fucken man
Nope...it's not fucken BurgerKing...You can't have it both ways or whatever the hell is convience for you at that moment.

Suck as if you're fucken sane enough to plan, sceheme, stalk a victim and take the many actions
to kill or murder someone...you're not fucken crazy.

Capital punishment means...if you have it the fucken capitals..you don't get it.lmao

 

[Skorian]

It's call simple FREEDOM.
With freedom comes responsiblities.

Most advanced cultures are freer then we are. The problem with our culture seems to be that we obsess over freedoms that don't matter and have given up many of the ones that actually do. The most frightening thing of all though is the fact that so few even seem to have any idea of how shafted we are.

We are free to be robbed and murdered by corporations, but if individuals do it then they get an education in how to be a more effective deviant? Many Americans are drowning in problems and people in many other countries are living like they are on top of the world. It really makes little sense that we have set things up this way. Why do we allow each other to be so easily manipulated by miss information?


Personally, I find it repugnant to live in a culture that is mostly a Me Me culture, where many other cultures are obviously much more We We. In a culture that rewards greed and aggression, but will punish people if they try hard and get "caught". Where we don't really seem to try that hard to catch some of the serious criminals, for fear that it will affect the economy, to heck with the people it harms. Why don't we give people more incentive to be moral and honest like many other cultures? Cultures whom actually work to structure their laws to benefit the overall population, rather then a few of the most sly and greedy? Our values as a nation are absurd and outright counter productive. We instead often work against each other and compete on unfriendly terms. I honestly often think I am living in a MAD HOUSE! It is as if other cultures have moved beyond the desire to have slavery, but here in the US we still have some unfulfilled need to have slaves of one sort or another. Everyone is fighting to be on top and won't just decide to accept equality. It is some sort of insanity I will never understand.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

I'm talking Freedom at the core of my being , your being and everyone's being.

We are all born free...

I HAVE A CHIOCE..

Inspite of the pains, abused, abandonment. It was my chioce to not try to hurt anyone.
Yes, I've purposely hurt the people I loved as far as relationship is concern.
I fully understand about pains cuasing more fucken pains..

Yes, i know what it's like to continue to play the victim role...

However...I didn't not chose to go out and rape or murder people....there's no excuse for it.

Just as I've lived and apply my recovery...My recovery intails alot more than not just drinking or using.
I chose to not drink and use inspite of it all. Not even fucken pills....There's no excuse for it.
I chose to get well inspite of it all.
I chose to contine to live and be a decent human being even if Jenni is dead today.
I chose to be happy inspite of it all.

I'm responsible for my life..My happiness. My well being.
In doing so ...I'm free.

yes..it could be a mad house...but I'm free from it. I chose not to go there.

Incentives....well , we been programmed for generations.
One is too many and a thousand ain't never enough..lol
Becuase drugs and alcohol was introduced to **** up our minds and the minds of our youth.
Becuase who the hell wants responsibilties if they can have instant gradifications.. (just add fucken water..lmao)
Becuase being responsible is internal, self motivation, self worth...Simple but not fucken easy.
Becuase being responsible means a person must go through fucken withdraws...mentally and emotionally and take
proper actions. Willing to forfit instant gradifications for a greater good in the long run.
I'm not talking about withdrawing just from the drugs..btw.

Becuase someone would say it would be a soscialist society to destract you..lmao

Equality you mean...or want ?
Becuase at the core of your being...you already know...you already understand.
It's a gut feeling...or intuition.
You're free...You know this...that's where the compassion comes in.
Many are still living in bonage.

Just clean out the filter every so often and you'll be okay..... or so you don't lose youself.

The ego won't relingish power so easily...especailly when it's at the top of the food chain..lol

 

[Skorian]

I'm talking Freedom at the core of my being , your being and everyone's being.

We are all born free...

I HAVE A CHIOCE..

Not everyone realizes that they have that kind of freedom or choice. Take some time to educate yourself on how psychiatric medications have affected some of the more recent mass murderers in recent years. Research how kind, caring, shy individuals can turn from reserved individuals in a matter of weeks or months into psychopaths bent on achieving a bloody suicide. The DEA has warned people for a long time about the dangers of many medications ability to cause such violence. Try to understand that some people's bodies and minds work in such a way that it is as if they are on drugs even when they aren't.

I am sure if I wanted to take the time and had access to the best equipment I could figure out substances to turn almost anyone into a dangerous maniac. Lead can do this to some extent. Though I don't think it causes people to become uncontrollably angry as much as simply so confused they don't really know what they are doing. It is rather frightening really, because people want to think they have 100% control, but in reality we are at the mercy of a great many things that are outside our control. Especially if outside our understanding. For some people it could be as simple as them coming into contact with some contaminant that changes who and what they are forever, or perhaps slowly changes them over years into something they would never have actively chosen to be. And people don't even have to agree or believe in this for it to still be their fate. Many people have no idea why they are the way they are.

It isn't an excuse for people’s behavior, but it is the responsibility of our society to protect one another. Which our ideologies here in the US stand in the way of us fully realizing that and is probably one piece of why violence is such a part of our lives here. Until we take responsibility for more then just ourselves we will never get beyond it. Most people probably don't like to hear all this and won't really understand it. Where maybe they would understand for example injecting a dog with some compound to make it a more aggressive fighter in some disgusting dogfight, but people want to believe they could think their way out of any state. Sadly, it just isn't true. If it were there would be no crime in the world.

I think everyone has choices, but their range and breadth of choices is limited by factors that they don't always have direct control over.

Personally, I believe that junk food and fast food is a component of the high crime here in the US. There are many other factors as well, but I really don't want to write a book on here. I doubt most people will really even be able to grasp this, since many people want to bend beliefs and what they want to believe to justify their emotions. Rather then try to bend themselves to reality.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Yes, it's true that we are effected by our enviornment.
The US goverment had banned many chemicles such as adbestus or lead paint.
Yes more can be done...
Yes, lead or other types of contaminates can effect a human.
Yes, diets effects a person behaviors or moods.
Yes..we must be aware of what we in put into out minds and bodies.

Yes even one of my friends has diabity was going crazy, getting depressed, and action strange for a while.

mmm..but I'm just at the piont of grasping and developing responsiblities for myself at the core.
I don't think a lot of people are going to listen to me..
So..I'm thinking actions speaks louder than words.

In my support group meetings ...there's people that had just been release from jail and prison.
I try not to judge them or even ask them for what crimes they had committed.
Honestly...sometimes I get the chills being around ex-con.
Yes..a lot of them has been through a lot of pains and abused.
I show them inspite of how ****** my life can get sometimes...I havn't used or committed a crime over it.
I share my experince, strentch and hope with them..
There's literature and workbooks avaliable for them.
I carry the message...but I can't carry them.
They have a choioce too...they are free too.

One of my best friend who is a millionair now..
Well...I took him into my home and kind of raised him for a little while.
He too was a neglected abused child.
The judge was going to send him away for a while..but a positive male role model in his life was better.lol
I didn't save him...He saved himself. He just needed to know there's a better way to live.

 

[PoWer2tHePeOpLE]

I remember my mom telling me about this little five year old girl they found in the river.. About how this mother was in the parking lot of her apartment, and her daughter was abducted right out of the parking lot in mid-day.. And the mothers "friends" she hung around with were child molsters, one of whom was suspected to be the guy who took the little girl. She was missing for a couple weeks when two fisher-men found her body in the river with cement poured over her body.. :/ This guy.. just had his way with this little girl and then killed her.
It's very difficult to even think about children being abducted and molested by these people who are ****** up in the head. I think if I was face to face with someone I KNEW did something like that I'd take a lead pipe and repeatedly beat them over the head. I still probably wouldn't be satisfied. And the fact that this is happening even under everyone's noses is even more disgusting. Hardly even under our noses.. It's happened, and still happening and noone chooses to do anything about it. I know that there pretty much is no "Justice" in this world.. People get life in prison over nothing, and child molesters are getting out on bond.
:/
I want to become a vilgilante.. :/

i'm with you 100% autumntranspire.. the lead pipe is not a bad idea, though it is a little impulsive.. a little messy.. not to mention that you may injure your arm in the course of the bludgeoning that will be necessary to crush the skull of this sick, twisted, psycho muthafucka.. i believe we would have to organise ourselves trans and make it a tagteam effort.. when you get tired of the beating i'll take over.. i have a nice candlelabra shaped like a stem with spikey outgrowths that would do quite nicely i think..

i read the thread and hear talk of compassion and understand the theory.. i studied a bit of social justice at uni and the concepts of retributive justice, deservingness, diminished responsibilty etc.. the justice system is flawed because human beings are flawed.. i once saw a documentary where a barrister had been working in the justice system for more than twenty years and he said that the more he sees it from the inside the more HE is SCARED of it! that pretty much summed it up for me... as far as i am concerned we are in the 'dark ages' regarding justice.. sick fuckos reach into every stratosphere of this zoo we call a world and i wouldnt trust the justice system to shave my balls let alone mete out the appropriate 'punishment'..

there is this sicko here in australia recently.. named spencer von einem
on tv.. up for parole but the governemnt wants to keep him in jail for the rest of his life.. damn right.. usually our govt cant find its arse from its elbow but at least its trying to do the right thing here.. this pedophile was busted with child porn whilst IN JAIL.. so what is the point of sending a sicko to jail if he can get his hands on all the sick **** that helps him get off????

ahh but i am straying....

compassion is one thing in my opinion.. and mitigating circumstances.. and previous abusive history.. etc.. but there is a line.. and if you take a child, abuse him/her, then murder him/her.. thats it. full stop. you had your chance to live in society.. you ****** it up.. NO second chances. and since jail will it seems just give you the ability to get your hands on 'reading material' which contributes to more 'creation' of that material since there is a demand.. the sick ***** DESERVE NOTHING.. keeping them around to torture them for the rest of their lives is an idea but way too many resources would be wasted imo.. and it would make good people traumatised.. unless you could find a sadistic psycho that enjoyed torture and pay them minimum wage.. could work i suppose...

so autumntranspire.. lets KILL IT

oh.. and i used to think that so called 'evil' ppl just had a 'bad childhood'... now i dont reckon so.. i think some ppl are born evil..

EVIL!

i have ideas to back this up ... but i think i have ranted on long enough

peace

 

[Autumntranspire]

I remember my mom telling me about this little five year old girl they found in the river.. About how this mother was in the parking lot of her apartment, and her daughter was abducted right out of the parking lot in mid-day.. And the mothers "friends" she hung around with were child molsters, one of whom was suspected to be the guy who took the little girl. She was missing for a couple weeks when two fisher-men found her body in the river with cement poured over her body.. :/ This guy.. just had his way with this little girl and then killed her.
It's very difficult to even think about children being abducted and molested by these people who are ****** up in the head. I think if I was face to face with someone I KNEW did something like that I'd take a lead pipe and repeatedly beat them over the head. I still probably wouldn't be satisfied. And the fact that this is happening even under everyone's noses is even more disgusting. Hardly even under our noses.. It's happened, and still happening and noone chooses to do anything about it. I know that there pretty much is no "Justice" in this world.. People get life in prison over nothing, and child molesters are getting out on bond.
:/
I want to become a vilgilante.. :/

i'm with you 100% autumntranspire.. the lead pipe is not a bad idea, though it is a little impulsive.. a little messy.. not to mention that you may injure your arm in the course of the bludgeoning that will be necessary to crush the skull of this sick, twisted, psycho muthafucka.. i believe we would have to organise ourselves trans and make it a tagteam effort.. when you get tired of the beating i'll take over.. i have a nice candlelabra shaped like a stem with spikey outgrowths that would do quite nicely i think..

i read the thread and hear talk of compassion and understand the theory.. i studied a bit of social justice at uni and the concepts of retributive justice, deservingness, diminished responsibilty etc.. the justice system is flawed because human beings are flawed.. i once saw a documentary where a barrister had been working in the justice system for more than twenty years and he said that the more he sees it from the inside the more HE is SCARED of it! that pretty much summed it up for me... as far as i am concerned we are in the 'dark ages' regarding justice.. sick fuckos reach into every stratosphere of this zoo we call a world and i wouldnt trust the justice system to shave my balls let alone mete out the appropriate 'punishment'..

there is this sicko here in australia recently.. named spencer von einem
on tv.. up for parole but the governemnt wants to keep him in jail for the rest of his life.. damn right.. usually our govt cant find its arse from its elbow but at least its trying to do the right thing here.. this pedophile was busted with child porn whilst IN JAIL.. so what is the point of sending a sicko to jail if he can get his hands on all the sick **** that helps him get off????

ahh but i am straying....

compassion is one thing in my opinion.. and mitigating circumstances.. and previous abusive history.. etc.. but there is a line.. and if you take a child, abuse him/her, then murder him/her.. thats it. full stop. you had your chance to live in society.. you ****** it up.. NO second chances. and since jail will it seems just give you the ability to get your hands on 'reading material' which contributes to more 'creation' of that material since there is a demand.. the sick ***** DESERVE NOTHING.. keeping them around to torture them for the rest of their lives is an idea but way too many resources would be wasted imo.. and it would make good people traumatised.. unless you could find a sadistic psycho that enjoyed torture and pay them minimum wage.. could work i suppose...

so autumntranspire.. lets KILL IT

oh.. and i used to think that so called 'evil' ppl just had a 'bad childhood'... now i dont reckon so.. i think some ppl are born evil..

EVIL!

i have ideas to back this up ... but i think i have ranted on long enough

peace

*Evil Laugh*
Well I'm glad you agree.