Escort to Daughter

[EveWasFramed]

My opinion is my own and I stand by it. For any of you who have ever been in a situation where a person's infidelity has come back to utterly DESTROY the lives of the victims (whether it be wives/husbands, bf/gf, children, etc) then you will know why I have nothing but scorn for the OP.
I wonder how the baby would feel when he/she grows and somehow discovers that his/her "grandfather/Godfather" was having sex with his/her mother?
Fine, he helped get her on her feet, helped her into a new life, etc. Great for her. Now, he needs to bow the **** out before his wife and children find out what he's done and in the process of helping his new "daughter" he completely destroys the lives of others. For **** sake! Can't anyone imagine the betrayal, embarrassment, humiliation and pain this man could inflict upon his family???

 

[Mazza]

EVa your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it of course , however I could no more walk away now than I could from one of might genetic children , I "love her as my own"' our family love her and her partners family we are all so close it would break to many people hearts and what would we achieve ? I'm not proud of how it all happened but I've learnt a lot and become I think a better person ,and my ( daughter is happy ) We never mention or discuss the past , it's something i am ashamed of and yes it plays on my mind sometimes omore so because I had a choice , I wish we had met differently don't think we would We will never know. Would you really have us ruin what we have which is positive for all of us. Perhaps you have issues in of your own that stop you from seeing what we have.

 

[EveWasFramed]

EVa your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it of course , however I could no more walk away now than I could from one of might genetic children , I "love her as my own"' our family love her and her partners family we are all so close it would break to many people hearts and what would we achieve ? I'm not proud of how it all happened but I've learnt a lot and become I think a better person ,and my ( daughter is happy ) We never mention or discuss the past , it's something i am ashamed of and yes it plays on my mind sometimes omore so because I had a choice , I wish we had met differently don't think we would We will never know. Would you really have us ruin what we have which is positive for all of us. Perhaps you have issues in of your own that stop you from seeing what we have.

You still don't bother addressing the possible chaos that might be created should your "original" family be made aware of how your new daughter came to be, nor do you address the potential pain for all those same people involved. Why is that?
Also, all this new-found happiness you have is built on a foundation of lies and deceit. What happens if/when that foundation starts to crumble? Have you even CONSIDERED that??

 

[painter's radio]

My opinion is my own and I stand by it. For any of you who have ever been in a situation where a person's infidelity has come back to utterly DESTROY the lives of the victims (whether it be wives/husbands, bf/gf, children, etc) then you will know why I have nothing but scorn for the OP.
I wonder how the baby would feel when he/she grows and somehow discovers that his/her "grandfather/Godfather" was having sex with his/her mother?
Fine, he helped get her on her feet, helped her into a new life, etc. Great for her. Now, he needs to bow the **** out before his wife and children find out what he's done and in the process of helping his new "daughter" he completely destroys the lives of others. For **** sake! Can't anyone imagine the betrayal, embarrassment, humiliation and pain this man could inflict upon his family???

Yeah we see it, Eve. Doesn't change the fact that your replies in this thread are flippant and childish.

In before last word and lock.

 

[Mazza]

I think I've covered my position in great detail, it's always easy to keep tearing at someone's heels
What would you have me do ? There is only forward life does not have reverse or pause I still learning every day and do you know I think my life is pretty good at the moment I certainly have managed to avoid becoming bitter cynical unlike some ! I love my family and take great care to make sure they are happy and content I can't change the past only learn from it I think I have. it may not fit with your Moral Compass but we are happy. In not gonna get into a tennis match with you in sure you will post again as you won't be able to contain your negativity .

 

[EveWasFramed]

My opinion is my own and I stand by it. For any of you who have ever been in a situation where a person's infidelity has come back to utterly DESTROY the lives of the victims (whether it be wives/husbands, bf/gf, children, etc) then you will know why I have nothing but scorn for the OP.
I wonder how the baby would feel when he/she grows and somehow discovers that his/her "grandfather/Godfather" was having sex with his/her mother?
Fine, he helped get her on her feet, helped her into a new life, etc. Great for her. Now, he needs to bow the **** out before his wife and children find out what he's done and in the process of helping his new "daughter" he completely destroys the lives of others. For **** sake! Can't anyone imagine the betrayal, embarrassment, humiliation and pain this man could inflict upon his family???

Yeah we see it, Eve. Doesn't change the fact that your replies in this thread are flippant and childish.

In before last word and lock.

My replies are based in REALITY. They aren't childish in any way. However, YOUR reply seems to be the childish and flippant one.

 

[Runciter]

Would you really have us ruin what we have which is positive for all of us. Perhaps you have issues in of your own that stop you from seeing what we have.

Firstly, you don't need our help ruining your family, you're doing a pretty good job of that all by yourself. Secondly, don't try to palm this off on other peoples issues, what you have done is completely immoral and unforgivable.

You might like to think that by keeping quite you are doing the right thing for your family, so as to not upset anyone, but how about in 5 years time when your family finds out? You think they'll appreciate that you adopted a prostitute to save her? Why couldn't you help her without bringing her into your family home? You might like to think you can keep it secrete but posting about it in a public online forum isn't a great start. What happens if her old pimp decides to pay your family home a visit? Your actions, even now, are utterly selfish and you really should prepare to lose your whole family as soon as they find out.

I really don't think there is anything anyone can say that will make Mazza see how irresponsible his actions are and this thread seems to just be going around in circles now. Good luck in the future Mazza, you'll need it.

 

[painter's radio]

*chuckles*

^^

 

[EveWasFramed]

*chuckles*

^^

*rolls eyes* And you call ME childish.

 

[painter's radio]

Yes, I do think you are very immature sometimes. The rolling of eyes really confirms it.

*stamps feet and slams door after tutting*

 

[Mazza]

As you say this is going round in circles will always polarise opinion

 

[EveWasFramed]

Yes, I do think you are very immature sometimes. The rolling of eyes really confirms it.

*stamps feet and slams door after tutting*

You've moved from snarky remarks to outright trolling me. Leave me alone and buzz out of this thread if you aren't going to contribute to the thread.

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As you say this is going round in circles will always polarise opinion

Look...Im glad that the girl you call daughter is living a happy, more normal life now. Truly I am, and my comments aren't based on any negative feelings towards her.
I also hope that your family NEVER finds out what you did to them, because it WILL destroy them and they will HATE you for it.
I wish you luck - you will need it. I also hope that your family never has to suffer for your lapse in judgment.

 

[ghbarnaby2]

*big hug* Eve...I agree with you. Wholeheartedly.

 

[Minus]

... your replies in this thread are flippant and childish.

It is fine to disagree but you have been following Eve around, taking pot shots for too long. This has to stop.

 

[ladyforsaken]

Perhaps I should've kept my mouth shut. :\

But yes, each is entitled to their opinion. I was just pointing out the fact that no matter how bad the behaviour of a person is, I don't think it's in anyone's place to wish them negativity especially if they do realise and admit what they did wrong and has changed.

You still don't bother addressing the possible chaos that might be created should your "original" family be made aware of how your new daughter came to be, nor do you address the potential pain for all those same people involved. Why is that?
Also, all this new-found happiness you have is built on a foundation of lies and deceit. What happens if/when that foundation starts to crumble? Have you even CONSIDERED that??

Eve, and to anyone else affected, I'm sorry if my post has re-stirred any emotional negativity from your current life or past. I can see where you are coming from and yes you do have a point, Eve. I'm sorry that your opinion is spoken from experience *hugs*

Such a behaviour isn't right, and it would definitely have consequences, which would happen either sooner or later depending on how Mazza steers it I guess.

I think Mazza knows the emotional chaos that will come upon the honesty of how the daughter came about. And hearts will be broken, but that is what he had chosen and what he would have to face... and unfortunately, his loved ones too.

There is always a reason for everything. Mazza resorted to something which was selfish, yes, but then perhaps there was more to the story than told so I will not judge any further, although that doesn't mean I condone such an act.

I think I've covered my position in great detail, it's always easy to keep tearing at someone's heels
What would you have me do ? There is only forward life does not have reverse or pause I still learning every day and do you know I think my life is pretty good at the moment I certainly have managed to avoid becoming bitter cynical unlike some ! I love my family and take great care to make sure they are happy and content I can't change the past only learn from it I think I have. it may not fit with your Moral Compass but we are happy.

That is well and good that you love them and takes great care of them. It's also well and good that you have somewhat "saved" an escort's life and given her a better one by supporting her. But I also personally believe that love means honesty.. and if you can't be honest with your loved ones, your guilty conscience might eventually get to you about it... and if it's too late, it might be harder for the loved ones to accept that reality.

Maybe you are afraid of losing your family if you were to tell them the truth? But then that's something you should've thought about before actually doing it.

As I said, the behaviour is morally not right. One one hand. On the other hand, Mazza is trying to shed some positive light out of this, which can be either positive or negative depending on how one looks at it.

I was just trying to say that, just because someone does something bad, we wish them negativity. Constructive criticism is good.. but I don't think taunting or ridicule is (but that is just what I was getting from certain posts in this thread).

We try to help if that person is trying to turn around to be better. Harping on his past mistakes won't help, especially if he does realise it. It'd be a different story if he is proud of what he did and doesn't think it's wrong - which I don't think is the case here.

These are just my thoughts and opinions.. I'm not out to offend anyone or take sides so I apologise first if I do in any way whatsoever.

Peace.

 

[Moe'sTavern]

The OP could be summed up simply in this way: Guy screws an escort. Brings her home to see the family. This whole "saving" business: merely a distraction to pat himself on the back and not to have to take real responsibility and gain sympathy. But hey, what ever works for him I guess. *shrugs*

 

[painter's radio]

... your replies in this thread are flippant and childish.

It is fine to disagree but you have been following Eve around, taking pot shots for too long. This has to stop.

Can you show me where else I have done this please? Quite offended that you'd say I'm following her around, too. She's in pretty much every thread, often being scornful towards posters and snarkily "chuckling" at their threads. It's hard to not look like you're "following someone around" when you both post a lot. I actually agree with her a lot more than I disagree, I just don't like the way she often talks to people. It's not what she says, it's how she says it.

 

[Runciter]

@painter's radio + Eve
I think there may just be a cultural difference here. The international community seems to easily take offense from the British sense of humour and I've found myself offending people online, I often have no reason why.
Eve, I wouldn't take any offense from any remarks in this thread, I see no malicious intent from painter at all. I found his remarks to be amusing but not at your expense. I don't know if you know the comedian Jimmy Carr but it might be worth youtubing him to get an example of how crass, offensive and in your face the humour we're used to is.
painter, you should probably go easy a little on her though, even if it is only intended as fun. She doesn't seem to be enjoying it very much.

 

[EveWasFramed]

@painter's radio + Eve
I think there may just be a cultural difference here. The international community seems to easily take offense from the British sense of humour and I've found myself offending people online, I often have no reason why.
Eve, I wouldn't take any offense from any remarks in this thread, I see no malicious intent from painter at all. I found his remarks to be amusing but not at your expense. I don't know if you know the comedian Jimmy Carr but it might be worth youtubing him to get an example of how crass, offensive and in your face the humour we're used to is.
painter, you should probably go easy a little on her though, even if it is only intended as fun. She doesn't seem to be enjoying it very much.

I thank you for the input, Runciter, but since you're new, I'll give you a little more info. It's well-documented on the mod forum how PR has done this same thing to me on numerous occasions. The fact that another mod felt the need to warn him about it should send a clear message. He just really needs to keep his remarks to himself.

Also, on a different note, I happed to like the UK sense of humor.
I enjoyed my visit there and have often watched British comedies.

 

[Runciter]

Fair enough, I've accidentally offended people online all too often, for reasons that are usually beyond me. I figured it could be more of the same but seen as he's singling you out I can see your point. They say that mockery is often a form of affection, maybe you could take it as a compliment. Then again you could just use a rolled up newspaper to smack him on the nose while shouting "NO! Bad painter! No biscuit for you!"

I would ask about your trip to the UK but I fear this thread has already been hijacked enough.