ardour
Well known loser
Regumika said:This was the point i was trying to clear. The one twisted by society.VanillaCreme said:I don't believe that people who are in love with each other have to marry in order for their love to be recognized.
traditionally, in a relationship, you have a vow/promise to the other (and you do it together). that was all it was. Sometimes you have a ritual, a feast, whatever. then someone labeled it marriage. So it was like Vow -> marriage.
however, today it seems like it is backwards. you have marriage then vow. so marriage -> vow. plus, the meaning of the vow seems to have diminished over time, and is continually diminishing as a whole in society. (not to say that there arent still people that really understands love and vow).
i was trying to say that the current 'marriage' is less of a vow than a proof/label. the society has degraded so much as to popularize the act of vow/promise and diminish its meaning.VanillaCreme said:I've given gifts though, and I've received a few, so that line doesn't make any sense to me.
so a piece of paper isnt 'proof' that you love [me]. well, neither is your gift to me a proof that you love [me], right? thats what i was trying to say about gifts. *this only applies if we are speaking of marriage as a label.
i am to think that those that say they dont believe in marriage are speaking about the current meaning of 'marriage'.
i guess in the end.. it would be required to define which 'marriage' do you not believe in. the traditional or the current view.
Marriage has been part of almost all cultures for thousands of years, granted not always in a monogamous form.
People have degraded its significance through divorce, particularly for the reason of merely being bored of one another (“I’m no longer happy”), or where they can’t be bothered working through problems. That and people shacking up beforehand in a ‘try before you buy’ situation, actually increasing the chances of getting divorced later on.
There’s nothing wrong with a public statement of commitment towards someone you care for, it’s highly honourable.
People want to dismiss marriage these days because the ‘lifelong’ aspect doesn't appeal, not because it’s dated or meaningless.