******* Idiots

[Blue_Eyed_Symphony]

An issue that is both celebrated and objected to : Same sex marriage. The people who are opposed to it have their own reasons and that fine. That's what the US was founded on, freedom of opinion and speech. BUT there is one dumbfucked excuse that literally sends me at an uproar. I hate when most Christians blame their own prejudice on the Bible. The reason I say this is not me thrashing their beliefs but because it pisses me off that they cry "oh being gay is a sin and marriage should be holy blah blah". Yet half of these Christians are divorced and remarried which is an ABOMINATION in the Bible as well. Why the **** are they so opposed to gays having the right to marry based on their religious beliefs yet they aren't crying and disputing second marriages? Because they have the Bible to use as a crutch for their own prejudices. I'm not downing on anyone's faith at all. I'm not submitting this thread to have a religious debate. I am simply saying that it is not fair for the US to decide on opposing any rights to anyone based on religion when they are picking and choosing based on their own prejudices. I have nothing against religion and see religion as a beautiful thing but dumbfucked logic and hypocrisy pisses me off.

 

[Greb]

If a sweet was found in the middle of a pile of *******, you wouldn't eat the sweet. So why do they get away with ignoring all the parts in the bible about say, incest, paedophilia, the fact it's okay to murder someone else and so on..don't need to look far to have that same stuff crammed down your throat by people who bash the bible, lol, so I wont get into it.

I hate religion..I'll respect peoples opinions and beliefs naturally, I'll never hate someone for being religious, but the way I look at religion is it's basically teaching people to live their life as an audition for getting into heaven/some other nice place once you die. That's just not right.

I'm..I dunno how I feel about same sex stuff, really. We certainly don't need help surviving as a species so a couple of "stray sheep" here and there aren't going to damage the stock, really...so that argument isn't valid. I guess I just view it as slightly unnatural...but there are many other things that aren't natural as well that humanity likes to do too, so..it's a hard point. I generally try not to think about it - generally, it boils down to the people...I find I can get on with homosexual males and females if they don't flaunt it, or...well, I dunno. Flamboyant gays pretty much cover it, I just find it uneccessary...like bronies. It's okay to like My Little Pony, but when you force it on others and generally try to act like you know it's wrong and you know people dislike it, then it gets difficult for me. Generally, attention seeking BAD genuine love and care GOOD, in my opinion.

As for the hypocrisy and dumbfucked logic, that's basically always going to happen when a large amount of people all worship the same thing, but have different opinions. Some priests are cool, some are zealous, and some like to tell everyone gays should die. Those religious nuts **** ARE GOING TO HELL - GOD HATES **** - *** IS SIN if you've seen them..there's no need for that, it's just zealotry...sure it's okay if you honestly think that..are you gay? No? So go home. Why does it matter if I'm gay? Does that somehow make your life harder to live somehow? Yes? How then? Because you're incapable of letting go of anything? It's not my fault you can't get over the fact I'm gay...let it go? ETCETERA.

I guess in some ways priests and such have a mini-right to complain because marriage in some circles is considered a religious binding? Maybe. I know you can get married without a priest and such, or religion being a part of it...I guess in some ways priests can deny religious weddings for same-sex couples because their boss says it's a horrible, horrible thing...but it's still pretty silly.

Just like racism. Different skin colours, no major genetic differences. OH I HATE YOU FOR BEING DIFFERENT, YOU HORRIBLE EVIL PERSON YOU!


Okay I've gone WAAAAAY off track, so just before I post; sorry if I completely missed your point and topic, and sorry if I offended you, or anyone else. Nyah!

 

[Lady X]

See I'm a Christian, I am married, and I am bisexual (although obviously not acting in "both spheres" now I'm married), and I support gay civil marriage.

Ironically, in the UK marriage was separated into a civil union and a religious one so that Catholics could get married! From the reformation until the 19th century, the only marriage option was CofE. After some pressure from Catholics in the mid 1800s, marriage became a legal institution separate from the church of England (although CofE marriages were still a legal marriage).

Marriage as a civil contract is a right that should be available to all adults capable of legal consent. It is a joining of two lives officially, and I don't think we have any right at all to say which consenting adult can and cannot enter into such a partnership with any other consenting adult they want.


However.... Religious marriage is a whole other kettle of fish. Every religion has a long traditional framework for what a marriage is, what it is for, and who enters it. No group have any right to interfere with those traditions whatsoever. For example, I'm not Muslim, Jewish, Hindu etc, so I wouldn't dream of demanding one of those groups amend a key religious ceremony to make it fit my own ideals. Example - I'm an adult, non-Jewish woman, so I don't qualify for a Bar Mitzvah. In the same way, two men do not qualify for a marriage under my religion. So to me, not seeing gay marriage ceremonies as eligible under my religion is not to say I am homophobic as much as I wouldn't be misogynistic for acknowledging women are ineligible for Bar Mitzvah. Its just not what that particular ceremony was meant for.

In my belief structure, marriage is explicitly between a man and woman for the purpose of having a family. For exactly the same reason that two same gendered people are not eligible for it, neither would be a man and woman who had no intention of having a family - it would miss the entire point of marriage. It really isn't about hating anyone or judging anyone, its about preserving the core purpose of marriage in a Christian context.


I guess what I'm trying to get at is that its not about hate, or discrimination, its about giving everyone a legal right to marriage, but also realising what the religious marriage ceremony actually means for any one particular religion and respecting where you do not qualify. If one religious groups definition of marriage includes matched-genders, then great, awesome, get a religious as well as civil marriage if that is your religion. If it doesn't, then respect it and deal with it.

 

[Limlim]

I'd rather we went the other direction and got rid of the civil marriage we already have, much less add new stuff to it. I don't think the government needs to be involved in it in any way shape or form. In terms of pension transfers, health benefits and the like, that could easily be replaced with a declaration of a singular dependent who gets entitled to such.

Any type of "Marriage" could be handled by whatever religious or private institution you want after that since it wouldn't mean a thing in the secular sense.

 

[perfanoff]

I'd rather we went the other direction and got rid of the civil marriage we already have, much less add new stuff to it. I don't think the government needs to be involved in it in any way shape or form. In terms of pension transfers, health benefits and the like, that could easily be replaced with a declaration of a singular dependent who gets entitled to such.

Any type of "Marriage" could be handled by whatever religious or private institution you want after that since it wouldn't mean a thing in the secular sense.

I agree with that.

Where's the fairness in singles sponsoring married couples? They already have it much easier by sharing living expenses.

 

[LoneKiller]

Often times these people don't know what the hell they're talking about. They use scripture to suit their own needs. They choose who the word applies to while knowing damn well that it applies to all of us. I am a Christian blue, but I agree with you 100%. You can't take the bible and it's contents and select which parts of it apply to suit you and not others. It's His word and laws. It applies to ALL of us.

Personally, I prefer women, but I can't see God punishing someone for truly loving another. Regardless of their gender. God's entitled to make exceptions.

 

[LonelyLola]

[video=youtube]http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=blaZx7EML_4 [/video]

I always thought this clip with Daniel Tosh explains why god doesn't hate gays...

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Did that work? I hate this iPad. I can't wait to get my netbook fixed.

 

[Broken_Doll]

In my own personal opinion, what we call "marriage" is not solely a religious ceremony.
I find those gay marriage opposing, anti abortion types of Bible bashers highly hypocritical and worthy of criticism for reasons all ready mentioned above by others.

I'm also of the opinion that why should you give a **** how others choose to live their lives as long as it's not hurting you or anybody else?

 

[bulmabriefs144]

I think marriage should be a religious-only ceremony. For more or less the exact same reason, only I'm seeing something completely different from you BrokenDoll.

I see government asserting far more control over the process than religion. Oh sure, there are Bible-bashers out there. But there are also moderate (and far less vocal) Christians who actually support gay marriage. Without government making laws one way or another, just a leave it up from church to church, you'd find that:

* Unitarians, Episcopalians, and some others would be in support of gay marriage.
* Pentecostals and fringe, would be against it (screw them, without a vote, they'd have to shut up)
* Mormons would actually be able to have polygamy, nobody would care
* If you wanted a weird marriage, all you'd need was to find a priest willing to do it.

I'm not in favor of abortion though. I see abortion being abolished, and gays adopting children (produced as consequence), as a necessary step to having gay marriages recognized as as a valid family system.

 

[Badjedidude]

I don't give a **** who marries whom.

Personally I think marriage is a ******* stupid idea. NOBODY SHOULD GET MARRIED.

 

[mintymint]

I don't give a **** who marries whom.

Personally I think marriage is a ******* stupid idea. NOBODY SHOULD GET MARRIED.

BUT YOU PROMISED

 

[bulmabriefs144]

Btw, God is a shemale, not a "He". They just called "Him" that because "It" is impersonal.

Take that in mind when you start setting gender norms for marriage.

 

[Badjedidude]

BUT YOU PROMISED

YOU CHEATED ON ME YOU STRANGE WHORE

 

[Limlim]

Btw, God is a shemale, not a "He". They just called "Him" that because "It" is impersonal.

Take that in mind when you start setting gender norms for marriage.

So is that like... a futa or buck angel?

 

[LeaningIntoTheMuse]

Speaking of the bible...

I believe in Jesus and I believe in the bible. But I also believe in homosexual rights and the right to get married. Why wouldn't I?

What bothers me is when Christians try to tell ME that supporting gay rights is immoral by the bible. I've got a clue for them: We all sin. One of the biggest bible thumpers was out there doing drugs, having sex, and had a nasty porn habit. But, on the plus side, he believed in Jesus and the bible!

I am pure, in one sense, because I've never had sex outside of marriage...but wait, wait a minute...I look at porn...doesn't that make me as much of a sinner as someone who does? But...wait a second...God will forgive all our sins, so it doesn't matter anyways...we are judged only in the afterlife....

I actually wrote two songs about it, these weird Christians that don't believe in what Jesus Christ taught. I call it Religious Hypocrisy. If you want to act like Christ, please act like him...don't just pick what the bible teaches and force your own bigotry into it. It makes you into a *********.

 

[LonelyLola]

So when it comes to the bible saying homosexuality is wrong, I believe it is because of laws in Leviticus, which is found in the Old Testament and therefore is part of the Laws of Moses, which were laws and rituals to symbolize the faith of the followers as well as to symbolize the coming messiah's sacrifice... Since Christians believe that Christ is the messiah, he , by taking all of mankind's sins upon himself, negated the need for the law of Moses.

That being said, Christ has never said anything about who should get married.

I myself think it should be mainly a civil thing. this would allow people to designate that they are making a commitment to each other. so if it ends each party has the right to what they put into it. (Having just ended a long term relationship where things didn't get divided up equally because of his stubbornness, and I have no legal recourse, believe me, it sucks).

If, however, the couple wants it to have religious significance as well, then fine. No need to force a church to go against its own tenants. I wouldn't want Mormons (used to be one) t be forced to allow two men to marry in their church. Just don't use your clout and political power to keep them from getting married at all. *cough cough prop 8*

 

[LoneKiller]

Speaking of the bible...

I believe in Jesus and I believe in the bible. But I also believe in homosexual rights and the right to get married. Why wouldn't I?

What bothers me is when Christians try to tell ME that supporting gay rights is immoral by the bible. I've got a clue for them: We all sin. One of the biggest bible thumpers was out there doing drugs, having sex, and had a nasty porn habit. But, on the plus side, he believed in Jesus and the bible!

I am pure, in one sense, because I've never had sex outside of marriage...but wait, wait a minute...I look at porn...doesn't that make me as much of a sinner as someone who does? But...wait a second...God will forgive all our sins, so it doesn't matter anyways...we are judged only in the afterlife....

I actually wrote two songs about it, these weird Christians that don't believe in what Jesus Christ taught. I call it Religious Hypocrisy. If you want to act like Christ, please act like him...don't just pick what the bible teaches and force your own bigotry into it. It makes you into a *********.

I'm not too sure man. He will forgive our sins if we are sincere at heart and make an honest effort to do better. Just because Jesus died for our sins doesn't give us carte blanche to sin 24/7 under the impression that we are "Covered".

We are judged by our actions we take here on Earth. This plays a serious role in how our afterlife will be.

 

[perfanoff]

No, we're not judged by an invisible man up in the sky for our actions here on Earth, or even those of us in space.
Christianity is most likely a cult grown large enough to become organized religion.

It's always the same way, a charismatic messiah - a cult personality comes, sheep (lol, it's even WRITTEN like that in the bible. how insulting) unite around him, if they become too powerful, normal people say **** it, we'll also "be" cultists so we don't get on their wrong side. Like, you know, that congressman that got killed for defying that one cult. In the end of course, there NEEDS to be a book, the "holy scriptures" which either the guy (because no woman would have such visions of grandeur) wrote if he's literate, or his lieutenants write for him after his death.

Now I want you to count HOW MANY of these religions follow the same mold and tell me what Christianity is different in, except haha the fact you're born under it.

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And before someone cries foul of me being intolerant of their religion, you are being intolerant of my agnosticism by shoveling dubious claims and normative thinking all over this thread

 

[blackdot]

The solution to all of this is they need to ban all relationships.

 

[Broken_Doll]

I don't give a **** who marries whom.

This!

Personally I think marriage is a ******* stupid idea. NOBODY SHOULD GET MARRIED.

While I disagree that nobody should get married, I do lean towards a similar view - it's only caused more **** for the people I've known who have gotten married and there don't appear to me that many practical benefits to it either, from what I can tell.