I'm really sick of trolls

[SophiaGrace]

That just say something contrary to upset a person or get a certain reaction. ****, go watch TV if you want to be bloody entertained!

The internet seems like it's getting ruined with them. -_-

 

[DreamerDeceiver]

I've learned to ignore them, and not to take what they say personally. They only feed off our anger.

 

[Bread]

Eh, they're always going to be a part of the net, m'afraid. Always have been. Some kids just get their kicks out of riling up folks. At least we got moderators, ignore lists and the like. Sad thing is that if and when they grow out of it, there's the next generation of trollkin crawling out from where they hidin', mischevious little grins on their zit-ridden faces.

 

[LoneKiller]

I can't recall the specific forum, but a couple of years ago, I was in a forum where "Trolling" ran rampant. Even the GD mods were into it! They tell you not to take it personally. When a mod is trolling you, how the hell are you supposed to react? You never knew whether or not you would be banned by one.

 

[Ak5]

Welcome to the "Internetz"

 

[Sci-Fi]

Even sadder is that everyone has done it, whether they realize it or not. What's worse are the flamers who keep the fires burning.

 

[SophiaGrace]

Welcome to the "Internetz"

I don't like the Internetz

 

[Ak5]

Welcome to the "Internetz"

I don't like the Internetz

Don't worry, the Internetz still loves you.

 

[SophiaGrace]

Welcome to the "Internetz"

I don't like the Internetz

Don't worry, the Internetz still loves you.

-_-

lol

 

[Bread]

I can't recall the specific forum, but a couple of years ago, I was in a forum where "Trolling" ran rampant. Even the GD mods were into it! They tell you not to take it personally. When a mod is trolling you, how the hell are you supposed to react? You never knew whether or not you would be banned by one.

...Wikipedia, maybe?

 

[Skorian]

Trolling is a term that almost anyone can use towards almost anyone. It is a matter of opinion.

Personally I think the fact that people are rattled so easily shows a personality defect. The world is full of real things that are upsetting. Some people face those head on calmly and some people go berserk or hide in a fake reality to avoid things that they can't handle.

What gets me is many people blame the person that is upsetting, rather then blaming themselves for being upset. What troll is so upsetting?

 

[SophiaGrace]

Trolling is a term that almost anyone can use towards almost anyone. It is a matter of opinion.

Personally I think the fact that people are rattled so easily shows a personality defect. The world is full of real things that are upsetting. Some people face those head on calmly and some people go berserk or hide in a fake reality to avoid things that they can't handle.

What gets me is many people blame the person that is upsetting, rather then blaming themselves for being upset. What troll is so upsetting?

What sort of personality defect do you think these people have Skorian?

 

[Skorian]

Which people are you talking about?

The people I am talking about, are people who are unable to accept that life is harsh. Not everything will always be what you want. Many people have the expectation that reality should all be safe and warm 24/7. It isn't realistic. Especially when simply talking about words. Words only have power if you give them power. Some people though think words are the same as a bullet fired from a gun. They aren't though.

 

[Sci-Fi]

Wow, you must have never been bullied Skorian. Yeah some people are more sensitive to words, in fact A LOT of people are. There are very few people in this world who can just brush off when someone "trolls" them. It's easy for someone to say "just don't let it bother you" or "it's the internet" or "just think of who it's coming from" etc. For those of us who've been hurt by others words that is very difficult to do. It's not a personality defect, it's being human and having emotions and feelings. If words didn't hurt then we wouldn't have kids committing suicide. The defect lies in those who use words to hurt others purposely.

 

[Equinox]

Wow, you must have never been bullied Skorian. Yeah some people are more sensitive to words, in fact A LOT of people are. There are very few people in this world who can just brush off when someone "trolls" them. It's easy for someone to say "just don't let it bother you" or "it's the internet" or "just think of who it's coming from" etc. For those of us who've been hurt by others words that is very difficult to do. It's not a personality defect, it's being human and having emotions and feelings. If words didn't hurt then we wouldn't have kids committing suicide. The defect lies in those who use words to hurt others purposely.

So true.

Yes, "trolling" is a term anyone can use about anyone - however, few people get accused of being a troll unless they've done something to imply said definition. For instance, I usually give people at least three to five posts (and an opportunity to redeem themselves) before I think of them as trolls and call them on it. Some trolls are very easy to notice, others are more discreet. In general, however, if a user mostly/only ever posts nasty, rude things, argues against everyone, and continuously pushes buttons which has clearly upset someone - you can be pretty sure this person is a troll.

This is also related to an earlier post, where somewhene said that "everyone has done it [trolling], whether they realize it or not"; this is simply not true, since the very definition of "trolling" is to aggravate others on purpose (meaning, logically, that one cannot do this without knowing it). Everyone occasionally upsets someone, but most of them don't intend for it to happen, and apologize once they realize what's happened.

I think it's a huge, HUGE difference between "I feel hurt when people say mean things to me" and "I think the world should be safe and warm 24/7". It's not the same thing at all.

It is not a personality defect to have feelings.

 

[Skorian]

Wow, you must have never been bullied Skorian. Yeah some people are more sensitive to words, in fact A LOT of people are.

That isn't true at all. I know alot of people who are mean to each other as a means of play and are friends with the people that act like that. If you actually listened to experiences that didn't only agree with your own, you would understand what I mean.

There are very few people in this world who can just brush off when someone "trolls" them. It's easy for someone to say "just don't let it bother you" or "it's the internet" or "just think of who it's coming from" etc.

This is totally untrue, but it is what you want to believe. Chances are you avoid people who don't fit with your world view.

For those of us who've been hurt by others words that is very difficult to do.

Again untrue.

It's not a personality defect, it's being human and having emotions and feelings. If words didn't hurt then we wouldn't have kids committing suicide. The defect lies in those who use words to hurt others purposely.

This is not true. Look at the history of man. People used to endure far worse then an unkind word. I am sure that nothing I say will get you to see things from another point of view.

Suicide is caused by an inability to deal with life. Along with several other things. There really isn't anything I can do to show you what I would need to for you to get some perspective.

I have been bullied and I long ago realized that most of the problem was with myself. Many so called bullies are actually being playful if you don't take what they say too seriously. Some people have a mean intent, but most do not. If your vision is so colored that you can't see a distinction then everything will look like cruelty and like it is intended to harm.

My problem is I grew up with a mean spirited parent that jaded me to see everything as intended to do harm. The world is too harsh of a place to deal with if you can't handle criticism. Being able to handle criticism is a very important life skill. It is part of the scientific process. It is part of everyday life.

So true.

Yes, "trolling" is a term anyone can use about anyone - however, few people get accused of being a troll unless they've done something to imply said definition. For instance, I usually give people at least three to five posts (and an opportunity to redeem themselves) before I think of them as trolls and call them on it. Some trolls are very easy to notice, others are more discreet. In general, however, if a user mostly/only ever posts nasty, rude things, argues against everyone, and continuously pushes buttons which has clearly upset someone - you can be pretty sure this person is a troll.

I can tell you that on other forums some of what is considered normal here, would be considered trolling. Here those people would be considered trolls. There the people here who are very sensitive would be considered trolls. That is a fact. The world is not what you, me, or someone else wants it to be. It is what it is. The term roll is used so subjectively that I is often miss used.

This is also related to an earlier post, where somewhene said that "everyone has done it [trolling], whether they realize it or not"; this is simply not true, since the very definition of "trolling" is to aggravate others on purpose (meaning, logically, that one cannot do this without knowing it).
People have to many perspectives for this to be true.

I disagree with that. It can be hard to tell someones intent. All you have to do is look at the news around Casey Athonys(sp) case or any issue and you will find all sorts of things slung all over the place. I watch alot of political things and if they used the term troll nothing would get done. Granted they use other terms and that is one reason that so little gets done. This is all a matter of perspective. I am sure that anyone who has spent even a few minutes online has been called a troll by someone. And I am sure they can prove their case if they try. It is amazing how different peoples perspectives can be. What bothers me is many people can not see that. Many people can not see someone elses point of view that doesn't agree with them.

Everyone occasionally upsets someone, but most of them don't intend for it to happen, and apologize once they realize what's happened.


You have never worked with the public? Try working with the public. People will trample each other for a good deal. Granted some people are polite, but many are not. And I do not expect all people to be polite for my own personal sake. it is nice when people are curtious(sp), but to not be able to handle when people are not is a problem.


I think it's a huge, HUGE difference between "I feel hurt when people say mean things to me" and "I think the world should be safe and warm 24/7". It's not the same thing at all.

It is not a personality defect to have feelings.

Is that even what I said? No....

It is always amazing to me how people only see what they want to see and not what they don't.

 

[SophiaGrace]

It is part of the scientific process.

o.o disagree

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Chances are you avoid people who don't fit with your world view.[/b]

I wonder if Skorian does this as well.

 

[Equinox]

Skorian, you use the absolute lowest and most pointless form of arguments; the "because I say so"s. This just doesn't do. When you accuse Sci-Fi of having a "wrong" world view, how can you be so sure that YOUR world view isn't the one that is "wrong"? Saying stuff like "this is what you want to believe" and "really isn't anything I can do to show you what I would need to for you to get some perspective" isn't constructive at all, and if that's all you have to offer, nobody will take your opinions seriously. Sorry. (And besides, I could easily just copy-paste those lines and throw them right back in your face. But I won't, because that wouldn't be very constructive, either.)

I also know a lot of people who are mean to each other as a means of play. The key words here are "to each other". It's not bullying when two friends bash each other in a playful manner (I do this a lot with most of my friends). It is, however, bullying when one person (or several) does this to one other who isn't their friend, and who obviously takes pain from it. If YOU looked beyond YOURself you would find what I mean.

Also, just because there are WORSE thing in this world to endure than harmful words, that doesn't mean that hearing those mean words doesn't hurt as well. I don't know about you, but I am perfectly capable of suffering from several things at once. I'm able to feel hurt by someone saying "I'd kill myself if I looked like you" and at the same time feel pain from a physical wound. True story.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd like for you to give some examples on your allegations. What is it that has been said on this forum, that someone on your other forum would consider "trolling"? I'm very curious.

And by the way; by its very definition, it's not possible for a person to see what they actually don't see. If I don't see something, then I simply don't see it. That doesn't mean I'm not open to others showing me what I haven't seen, if their arguments make sense.

 

[Skorian]

It is part of the scientific process.

o.o disagree

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How would you know? Have you ever been critiqued? Have you ever read a science paper and a whole host of opinions of that opinion or theory? One of the criticisms of the mental health field is that it does not go about things scientifically. Does not use the methods. I didn't really want to bring this up. Scientists are brutal to one another... The fact that you disagree is scary. Now hopefully they keep it to the point and don't go into personal attacks. Most things I have seen people are objective and keep to what the problem is.

Yes, those who practice in mental health tend to hand hold rather then find fault with one another. Yes, this is where the process goes wrong and why mental health as a field does so poorly. That is something that many MD's that practice mainstream medicine say about mental health. Of course it isn't faced... That one of the problems with the profession.

Since you are taking psychology classes, maybe you should hear that. I would expect you to have the opinion that you do. That is expected of people who are interested in psychology and psychiatry.

Chances are you avoid people who don't fit with your world view.[/b]

I wonder if Skorian does this as well.

Would it matter? I didn't claim one way or the other.

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Skorian, you use the absolute lowest and most pointless form of arguments; the "because I say so"s. This just doesn't do.

So now you are assaulting the very basis of opinion and rendering opinion worthless?

When you accuse Sci-Fi of having a "wrong" world view, how can you be so sure that YOUR world view isn't the one that is "wrong"? Saying stuff like "this is what you want to believe" and "really isn't anything I can do to show you what I would need to for you to get some perspective" isn't constructive at all, and if that's all you have to offer, nobody will take your opinions seriously.

Why would I want to go any further then I already am? It is pretty hard to prove something that people are set to disagree on. Butter isn't butter if someone declares that it isn't. I mean I know something is butter, but saying anything past that point is pointless.

Sorry. (And besides, I could easily just copy-paste those lines and throw them right back in your face. But I won't, because that wouldn't be very constructive, either.)

This is just plan wrong. It sounds rather like a circular argument. I am not upset by it at all. I am not a child that can't handle disagreement.

I also know a lot of people who are mean to each other as a means of play. The key words here are "to each other". It's not bullying when two friends bash each other in a playful manner (I do this a lot with most of my friends). It is, however, bullying when one person (or several) does this to one other who isn't their friend, and who obviously takes pain from it.

The problem comes in that some people have to be treated as if they are "special"....

If YOU looked beyond YOURself you would find what I mean.

I don't agree with you. I don't think there is sense in people verbally attacking each other, but when you draw the line that you do, alot of meaningful communication can not be accomplished. For one, pain is a part of life. Not being able to handle some pain is a problem.

Also, just because there are WORSE thing in this world to endure than harmful words, that doesn't mean that hearing those mean words doesn't hurt as well.

Yes, but the distinction is the difference between being hit by a car and a gnat bite. If people can't handle a gnat then they have a problem.

So what if something is painful. I used to know a guy who has to take painkillers for life because he has damaged nerves. I didn't hear him constantly complaining even though his life is a mess. He did the best he could and lived with it. What he experienced was pain.

Words for as much as they can hurt, only have power if you let them. Hurtful words can actually not hurt at all.


I don't know about you, but I am perfectly capable of suffering from several things at once. I'm able to feel hurt by someone saying "I'd kill myself if I looked like you" and at the same time feel pain from a physical wound. True story.

The only opinion that should matter is your own opinion. The fact that someone says something nasty? Who really cares? All you have to do is think about something else and it can't do much. Words only have power if you give them power. That isn't true of physical things that can cause harm.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd like for you to give some examples on your allegations. What is it that has been said on this forum, that someone on your other forum would consider "trolling"? I'm very curious.


I have more then 15 years experience of being online. I have been a member of dozens of forums. If you don't know what I am saying, then it is pretty hard to go beyond that. You lack experience of different groups of people. Try going onto a war game forum and behaving like what is termed a carebear... People will tease you. People that play a war game and want to play it their way, rather then as a war game are teased. Carebears usually are players that are really touchy feely and are deemed a problem. They are seen as not being with it or knowing what they are doing. It is like they want to walk into a football field in the middle of a game and get in the way of the players and expect the game to end for their sake. That is the best direct example I can think of atm. I haven't used any other forums in over a year that I can think of. Probably have, but none regularly.

And by the way; by its very definition, it's not possible for a person to see what they actually don't see. If I don't see something, then I simply don't see it. That doesn't mean I'm not open to others showing me what I haven't seen, if their arguments make sense.


Some people can see more then their opinion. Or more then one opinion. Others have a very hard time with seeing more then one opinion. I understand some of why you are saying what you are, but do not agree.

You seriously don't understand what I am saying?

I am someone that likes politics, but some people can't handle it. Some people go haywire if politics that they disagree with are talked about.

If someone doesn't understand what I am saying, they really aren't going to. I know where you are coming from, but as I already said, disagree. Words are powerless beyond the power that you give them. Especially when you are talking about what someone you don't know says. Why does a random strangers opinion matter?

 

[Limlim]

I'm a troll

... Hi!