firebird85
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Too bad there doesn't seem to be a way out of it....
Too bad there doesn't seem to be a way out of it....
My sad reality
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SophiaGrace
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I don't really have much sympathy for you. You alienate yourself with your polarizing rhetoric.
VanillaCreme
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If you weren't so incredibly rude to people here, I'd offer something more to you. However, seeing how you act here, I can only imagine how you act in person towards people.
firebird85
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On the internet I tell people how I feel inside. I'm nothing like I am online in real life. But nobody wants to believe, just pin down more excuses to go over the issue. I take it since I don't buy into the dogma I should just be burned in a gas chamber.
Then why don't you act online like you do in real life? Why be someone who you are not?
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Lonely in BC
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firebird85 said:
Naw, that's a bit extreme, maybe a good keel hauling would be more in order
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SophiaGrace
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Firebird you buy into a dogma. Seriously. A negative dogma which villanizes 50% of the human race. Women.
I am not a villan. I am a human being and just because I don't do wh at you want doesn't mean i'm a bad person.
I am not a villan. I am a human being and just because I don't do wh at you want doesn't mean i'm a bad person.
Ak5
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Sad reality??
Pezza
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Anybody who told you to be yourself simply couldn't have given you worse advice...
firebird85
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SophiaGrace said:
Maybe their are women who make their own living and don't care, but let's be honest, the typical women out there, are not. They are focused on BS like ambition and what your job situation/financial situation. Don't lie to yourself.
Probably similar to asking humans whether they think inner beauty is more important than outer beauty. I think we heard that one before....
Definitely not the women you see in the subway or streets. If you dress like a poor dude (because you don't have enough money to get decent cloths), be assured no women is going to give you a second look.
I've tested this before, when I dress poorly and walk into a mall, I get no attention. But when I dress in the manner that indicates I might have a stable job (at least), the attention or second glances I get increases by many factors.
If you are only going for a guy who has a job and a car and financial stability, what's the reason? Are you working yourself? It's funny that the women who demand this from men are usually not working themselves, just looking for someone to support them, or they have 0 to offer themselves. You always hear people saying "what do they have to offer". Well, besides their heart and soul, what do you think? Okay you want a man to be financially stable, so what do you as a woman have to offer? your body? Are you caught in a superiority complex? I'd tell those women to kindly GTFO.
What is the point? Are you in love with the idea of a man being financially stable, in love with his money, or in love with him as a human being? There's a fine line.
I don't care if a woman has a job or not, I like someone for who they are. Women seem to like men for what they have, not as a person, and that's pretty awful. You're going to bring up the biology argument and say women need security so they can raise children. Guess what? Not everybody is going to have children. Some people don't want children, just a partner. So from that angle your justification for women being materialistic and focusing on money fails. You'll say that I'm crazy for saying this because people need to survive. That's not the issue. The issue is being superficial. Being hypocritical. Making it the end all be all. Then you see a woman saying she can't find a nice guy, but when you examine her standards the reason stands clear.
Women are also too quick to judge and say "we'll he has no job so he's just looking for someone to support him". NO ladies. You are wrong, sorry. I don't have a job and I am not looking for a woman to support me. AT ALL. So, you are unfairly judging ME personally.
It's kinda like the jewish question, if you say there's a freakishly large amount of jews in top positions of power everyone calls you a nazi who wants to burn people in ovens. It's a very ridiculous way to act and a perfect example of strawman'ing. The way women judge about this is similar to the mind of a 5 year old child who gets the "no talking to strangers" lesson.
So when you say all unemployed men are losers who just want a woman to be their mother and support them you are wrong on all levels.
Expecting a potential partner to be financially stable while having none of those same qualities, or nothing to offer yourself also makes you a bigot.
I don't consider myself a bigot because hey! whaddaya know, I don't expect my opposite gender to have something I don't have myself.
Any sane person will understand the point I make because it's really not that hard to see. Logic is a powerful tool.
I'm against all forms of injustice. Being judged unfairly is one of them.
One person here said I was just as bad for wanting a woman of my own race and body type but didn't seem to have a problem with women having nothing to "offer" themselves but expecting the world from men.
Because I'm not an egotistical person like most of the masses I don't try to justify immoral thinking and behavior, as so many people seem to do. If I was saying most men are evil for judging by looks everybody would agree with me and not raise a stink. But when it's women everyone throws out the strawman and shoots me down. If the one-sidedness and hypocrisy in that scenario isn't visible to you, I wonder what is?
Seems like relationships today are formed based on "what you have to offer", where in the past relationships started more naturally and all flaws and differences were accepted and looked past. Not anymore though. That's so unnatrual.
Again, I'm not an egotistical person so I realize that if I am treating others unfairly there will be reprecussions. Women are the total opposite though, they believe it's justified for them to stereotype out guys and not deal with any repreccusions. Well I'm here to say sorry ladies, if you treat others unfairly someone will eventually call you out on it. Like I do. But it makes you angry deep down because you know it's not right, but you continue to do it.
If you only go for someone based on what they have you don't love THEM.
You love what they HAVE.
End of story. That's not debateable.
If you go through life not having someone, and in some cases never having someone ever, you do everything in your power and nothing works. It doesn't matter what you do. Nothing ever works, one day you're going to look in the mirror and say maybe it's not me that has a problem, could it be women? That's where things take a turn for the worst. That's where you really feel like you are forced out.
I just can't agree with anything that you have to say. Sure it's nice if a guy has a job, a car, and looks good as well, but that's NOT what draws me a woman to a man. I usually notice his personality first. I like to figure out what kind of person he is. Does he have a good out look on things. Is he a self loving prick or does he care about others. I still say you seriously need to stop judging all women based on the ones you've encountered. Ask yourself what type of person do I come across as, not meaning your job, clothes, looks, meaning you the person.
There you go gender stereotyping women again, what have you been told about that?
Let me tell you this, and coming from another guy. You mention if a guy dresses poorly, yeah and if a woman dresses poorly she will get the EXACT same reaction. There have been attractive women who have gone undercover in fat suits and spent the day like that to gauge reactions, and they got treated much more poorly by men, when they go out as their dressed up hot selves they got way more attention. So don't sit there and say women are money grubbing people who all want a hot guy and blah blah blah. There are women out there who do that "gold diggers", but then there are also men who do the exact same thing. I've seen many people who are what we'd consider poor, they are very happily married. In fact it makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with me that I can't find what they have. So don't sit there and put the blame all on women. If you want to stay stuck in your stereotypes then I got news for you, MEN are way worse than women.
Let me tell you this, and coming from another guy. You mention if a guy dresses poorly, yeah and if a woman dresses poorly she will get the EXACT same reaction. There have been attractive women who have gone undercover in fat suits and spent the day like that to gauge reactions, and they got treated much more poorly by men, when they go out as their dressed up hot selves they got way more attention. So don't sit there and say women are money grubbing people who all want a hot guy and blah blah blah. There are women out there who do that "gold diggers", but then there are also men who do the exact same thing. I've seen many people who are what we'd consider poor, they are very happily married. In fact it makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with me that I can't find what they have. So don't sit there and put the blame all on women. If you want to stay stuck in your stereotypes then I got news for you, MEN are way worse than women.
firebird85
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Any woman who is looking for financial security or as it's now called "ambition" in a man is categorized as a gold digger to me. If you want the man to have a phd or masters degree same thing. Especially if she supports herself. What a potential partner does is none of your business. Going on a date is about getting to know someone personally not observing what their statistics are. Do you see what I'm saying? It's not natural. It's robotic. You aren't focused on the man, you are focused on material items, what he has, not him. You love what he has, not him. I don't use the gold digger name though. I just call it what it is, superficiality and immorality.
To me financial stability and ambition are irrelevant. They should be for women too, but unfortunately they will almost never realize. I go on forums on plenty of fish and people always debate about dating and what's shallow and thousands of women at a time are always saying they want financial security and everything else like that.
It's an injustice to me, and it shouldn't be happening. Because you are going to force certain men out. If 500 women want financial security and 500 men are paired up with them and only 100 have jobs and cars that leaves 400 men out in the dark, because they couldn't meet the criteria. If you have some heart and soul in you that makes you feel a little discouraged to know that you were forced out for not meeting some not-so-special criteria.
Women stand where they are today and have their need for financial security but while they do that, I'm over here saying "wow, I can't compete, I don't stand a chance", and since every woman out there (let's not lie) wants this financial security I don't stand a chance at all. That is not generalizing. Every woman will at some point want a man to have money. Even if they have their own which makes them hypocrites.
I also find it bizarre how I can read profiles of thousands of women who want a man to have money but when I look at the opposite, I hardly see men wanting women to be "financially stable" "ambition" "college degree" etc. Who's the more shallow one on that angle?
To me financial stability and ambition are irrelevant. They should be for women too, but unfortunately they will almost never realize. I go on forums on plenty of fish and people always debate about dating and what's shallow and thousands of women at a time are always saying they want financial security and everything else like that.
It's an injustice to me, and it shouldn't be happening. Because you are going to force certain men out. If 500 women want financial security and 500 men are paired up with them and only 100 have jobs and cars that leaves 400 men out in the dark, because they couldn't meet the criteria. If you have some heart and soul in you that makes you feel a little discouraged to know that you were forced out for not meeting some not-so-special criteria.
Women stand where they are today and have their need for financial security but while they do that, I'm over here saying "wow, I can't compete, I don't stand a chance", and since every woman out there (let's not lie) wants this financial security I don't stand a chance at all. That is not generalizing. Every woman will at some point want a man to have money. Even if they have their own which makes them hypocrites.
I also find it bizarre how I can read profiles of thousands of women who want a man to have money but when I look at the opposite, I hardly see men wanting women to be "financially stable" "ambition" "college degree" etc. Who's the more shallow one on that angle?
Ak5
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Moderators! Ban this guy!
Are you saying you don't want financial security? Everyone wants financial security. Trying to use that against women is just ridiculous. This is the third time today I'm warning you to cut this kind of gender stereotyping out.
firebird85 said:
Did I not just say in my previous post that this doesn't matter to me. I'm a woman and since you say all women are this way you are saying that you know what I want when you don't even have a clue about me.
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Its a self fulling prophacy.
I create my own reality...which is true for me.
Whwtever i focus upon. I draw tp me.
Actaully pretty neat to witness negatives and that
Unfold in their lives and reality.
I know im on the right path for me.
I create my own reality...which is true for me.
Whwtever i focus upon. I draw tp me.
Actaully pretty neat to witness negatives and that
Unfold in their lives and reality.
I know im on the right path for me.
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Equinox
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That boy will never learn. Poor little guy.
VanillaCreme
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Women only want men who have money and status? Yeah, okay, sure... That's why I'm with a dude who has no job, no money, and the only thing he has that's actually worth any little bit at all is broken down with a dead battery and a stretched out gear shift...
I feel sorry for not only Firebird, but anyone - male or female - who share the same beliefs.
I feel sorry for not only Firebird, but anyone - male or female - who share the same beliefs.
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Lonely in BC
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I might get banned for this but I have to say it- firebird, you are truly a *******!
When I met the one true love of my life I had a job that only paid about $40,000 a year, 4 boxes of belongings to my name, no car and I was renting a basement suite. SHE was making over a $100,000 a year (I had no idea at the time, I never ask those questions), a house, a decent car, and no debt.
We are as opposite as can be, she is a university grad w/ distinction, I'm a grade 11 dropout. She's a suit, I'm a blue-collar guy. She has class, me- no way. I have a violent past, she wouldn't hurt a fly. She has lived all over the world, I've always lived in Canada. She has friends that span back 30 years, I've barely acknowledged people (but I'm trying). She's very attractive, I'm passable.
What drew us together was respect and friendship- it later grew into love. We discovered that despite our different backgrounds we had the same core values and morals. We just went through a hell of a rough patch and thought it was over- sitting down and showing respect for each others point of views and concerns is bringing us back together.
Your judgements and criticisms of women are empty and hollow. If you pulled your head out of your ass, lost the attitude, and showed some respect maybe you'd get somewhere. Please stop your pathetic rants already.
K, I'm ready to be banned now
When I met the one true love of my life I had a job that only paid about $40,000 a year, 4 boxes of belongings to my name, no car and I was renting a basement suite. SHE was making over a $100,000 a year (I had no idea at the time, I never ask those questions), a house, a decent car, and no debt.
We are as opposite as can be, she is a university grad w/ distinction, I'm a grade 11 dropout. She's a suit, I'm a blue-collar guy. She has class, me- no way. I have a violent past, she wouldn't hurt a fly. She has lived all over the world, I've always lived in Canada. She has friends that span back 30 years, I've barely acknowledged people (but I'm trying). She's very attractive, I'm passable.
What drew us together was respect and friendship- it later grew into love. We discovered that despite our different backgrounds we had the same core values and morals. We just went through a hell of a rough patch and thought it was over- sitting down and showing respect for each others point of views and concerns is bringing us back together.
Your judgements and criticisms of women are empty and hollow. If you pulled your head out of your ass, lost the attitude, and showed some respect maybe you'd get somewhere. Please stop your pathetic rants already.
K, I'm ready to be banned now
