Serious ?. Do you think people are getting dumber?

[TheSkaFish]

I agree but dont you think the way politics is debated has changed since he came on the scene? I think thats what added to his appeal he brought in a common tone and style everyone is familiar with, and a bit of a bullying undertone, you know?

I think he spoke to people who always felt that way, and then poured more fuel on the fire with his tone and with the economic tension that was already going on anyway.

But he didn't start the fire, it was already there and had been going for a while.

 

[TheSkaFish]

lol, loved this movie..

Dude, thank you for this.

Not only did I watch this clip yesterday, but I also found the clip afterwards of "Ow, My Balls!" and I laughed so hard it almost hurt. I really needed it, too.

The funny thing is, I saw Idiocracy once many years ago now, and at the time I thought it was just OK. But on seeing these clips again, I couldn't help but chuckle

Sometimes you have to watch things a few times before it "clicks"!

 

[user 135671]

I think he spoke to people who always felt that way, and then poured more fuel on the fire with his tone and with the economic tension that was already going on anyway.

But he didn't start the fire, it was already there and had been going for a while.

This is my take, for what it's worth, I'm neither very knowledgeable or interested in the intricacies of American politics, so mine is a layman's take.

As you rightly (imo) say it didn't start with Trump, while Trump pedals his conspiracies of election fraud, remember Hillary Clinton told Democrats there was "a vast right wing conspiracy" trying to destroy her husband's presidency, this is Bill Clinton who as president disgraced the White House, perjured himself and became only the second president to be impeached, then there's Bush who pushed the idea of Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction as a pretext for the invasion of Iraq.

American political leaders have been playing loose with the truth, deepening partisan divisions and whipping up anger amongst their supporters for decades.

Trumps dangerous delusions and his crazed followers should remind us that America has always teetered on the edge of collapse, a nation born in crisis and awash with bloodshed. Let's not forget it was created by revolution, torn apart by civil war and has seen presidents assassinated.

The 1960s were marked by violence, revolt and political killings and they lit the fuse for division and tribalism. Americans formed battle lines, shouting each other down over black civil rights, gay equality, family values, gun laws, abortion or feminism. I think the election of Nixon revealed a deep division among the American people and profoundly reshaped American politics. The Democrats lost the white working class that was captured by an increasingly conservative and religious Republican right.

Today it's a country whose electoral college system can ignore popular will, whose Supreme Court is politically stacked, where power is held and passed around like a family heirloom. The constitution needs an overhaul. Congress doesn't work, the House is not truly representative and the Senate has too much power.

To the outsider it appears America is locked in a perpetual culture war, lacerated by class, race and faith. The Union survives by compromise.

Something that Callie posted earlier got me thinking, America appears as a nation that refuses to be governed so is it time to break up the Union?. To allow The United States to disintegrate, fracture and break apart?.

 

[Unsigned]

Trumps dangerous delusions and his crazed followers should remind us that America has always teetered on the edge of collapse

I would say BLM and Antifa supporters are far more "crazed".
And yes, they are political.
Cory Bush is a US Congresswoman who was a BLM leader in St Louis.
Kamala Harris is 2nd in line for the US presidency and is a STAUNCH BLM supporter.

 

[Unsigned]

You know what though?
Enough of this political cr@p... Go Florida Atlantic!

 

[TheRealCallie]

You know what though?
Enough of this political cr@p... Go Florida Atlantic!

Is that some sports team or do you mean the ocean?

 

[user 135671]

I would say BLM and Antifa supporters are far more "crazed".

No irony here at all.

 

[Unsigned]

Is that some sports team or do you mean the ocean?

Florida Atlantic University.
They are in the final four and leading in their game to reach the final!
Go Boca Raton!

 

[Unsigned]

No irony here at all.

Not even a smidgen...


BLM is based on a 100% FALSE narrative.
And Antifa is a bunch of purple haired freaks with nose rings.
You can't get any crazier than that.

 

[TheSkaFish]

And Antifa is a bunch of purple haired freaks with nose rings.
You can't get any crazier than that.

Ehhhh.... gonna have to disagree here.

There are plenty on the right that sport an alt-look as well.
And plenty who have actually committed violent crime. Look at "Based Stickman" for example. That guy is a POS, with a rap sheet full of bad lifestyle decisions, right up there with any "gang-banger". The guy has several violent felonies on his record.

Not that I care anymore about whether or not someone has a tattoo. I'm over that, and back to having no opinion on it one way or the other, it's a personal interest/style choice. I'm just pointing it out.

Also if we're going to use lifestyle choices as a metric for judging someone's intelligence or sanity, there are plenty on the right who use drugs as well.

The most low hanging fruit, and the example you should be familiar with yourself, is all the coke and other drugs done on Wall Street. And they use a lot of drugs in Silicon Valley as well.

It's the same unhealthy, bad lifestyle choice, no matter who does it. It's the same "if it feels good, do it" mentality that gets criticized as a "dumb lifestyle decision" that people need to "take responsibility" and "be more disciplined" than to do that stuff.

I just want to point out that, we've had reasonable decisions so far and I would like to continue to keep it that way. But I did want to point out that things aren't quite as black and white as that.

 

[user 135671]

Not even a smidgen...


BLM is based on a 100% FALSE narrative.
And Antifa is a bunch of purple haired freaks with nose rings.
You can't get any crazier than that.

Yeah, fair enough, whatever rocks your boat.

 

[user 135671]

Ehhhh.... gonna have to disagree here.

There are plenty on the right that sport an alt-look as well.
And plenty who have actually committed violent crime. Look at "Based Stickman" for example. That guy is a POS, right up there with any "gang-banger".

Not that I care anymore about whether or not someone has a tattoo. I'm over that, and back to having no opinion on it one way or the other, it's a personal interest/style choice. I'm just pointing it out.

Also if we're going to use lifestyle choices as a metric for judging someone's intelligence or sanity, there are plenty on the right who use drugs as well. It's the same unhealthy, bad lifestyle choice, no matter who does it.

Mate, I just give up. There's no bloody point is there.

 

[TheSkaFish]

Mate, I just give up. There's no bloody point is there.

See, I think there is, because I used to feel similarly on some issues but I changed my mind over time when presented with the evidence.

 

[Unsigned]

There are plenty on the right that sport an alt-look as well.

I agree.
The weird Bilzerian beard is just as freakish.
I'm not on board with either of those cliques.
And agree on the drug use.
Alt-left gravitate towards mind altering drugs, alt-right towards body altering.
I despise both.
I dunno...I want a country where people who are respectful are treated respectfully.
Decent Peoples Lives Matter.
DPLM.
That's my thing.
And...IMO...George Floyd was NOT a decent person. Armed, violent home invaders rarely are.

Yeah, fair enough, whatever rocks your boat.

Yeah...it's not what rocks my boat, but rather that you are only targeting those whom you seem with which to disagree.
There are good and bad people on both sides.

 

[user 135671]

I agree.
The weird Bilzerian beard is just as freakish.
I'm not on board with either of those cliques.
And agree on the drug use.
Alt-left gravitate towards mind altering drugs, alt-right towards body altering.
I despise both.
I dunno...I want a country where people who are respectful are treated respectfully.
Decent Peoples Lives Matter.
DPLM.
That's my thing.
And...IMO...George Floyd was NOT a decent person. Armed, violent home invaders rarely are.


Yeah...it's not what rocks my boat, but rather that you are only targeting those whom you seem with which to disagree.
There are good and bad people on both sides.

I'm not 'targeting' anyone sorry that you feel that way. I honestly do believe, and again this is only my take, that your comments in particular are very illustrative of the huge mountain America faces.

 

[Unsigned]

I'm not 'targeting' anyone sorry that you feel that way. I honestly do believe, and again this is only my take, that your comments in particular are very illustrative of the huge mountain America faces.

I take that as a compliment.
The HUGE mountain American faces...except for Lincoln, accomplished a LOT in making my country the greatest in the world!
Andrew Jackson, IMO, is the greatest American ever. He should be up there too.
Again, IMO...if Abe Lincoln had survived, and was able to implement his plan as far as deporting the african slaves to the Caribbean, he'd be worthy of his spot as well..

 

[Unsigned]

I take that as a compliment.
The HUGE mountain American faces...except for Lincoln, accomplished a LOT in making my country the greatest in the world!
Andrew Jackson, IMO, is the greatest American ever. He should be up there too.
Again, IMO...if Abe Lincoln had survived, and was able to implement his plan as far as deporting the african slaves to the Caribbean, he'd be worthy of his spot as well..

OK you find that funny...cool.
Maybe we can deport 40 Million of them or so to England with you.
What would you think about that?

 

[user 148069]

lol reading the last page of this thread man
in my country there is a saying, "Bodoh itu simpanlah sikit!"
which I can best translate to curb your stupidity!
and yep, I'm out for the day, used up all my daily quota of saltiness.

 

[beingnobody]

In a previous post on another thread you explicitly stated you did not want the government intruding on the decisions people make.
Would you also agree that the government has no right whatsoever in telling landlords to whom they should rent apartments???

Well, if there's discrimination..

 

[ardour]

This interview was done when Jimmy Carter (a HORRIBLE president) was still in office.
Does this sound like a "stupid" man?
Perhaps old age effects the human brain?

Perhaps it does, although it's probably a mix of dementia and cynical appeals to bigotry. Making America great again would involve more "socialism" like in the 50s when unions were widespread and the top marginal tax rate was 90%