Kristen said:um...personal log ends here?
Na, I have been doing pretty decent, just haven't felt like I had anything worth adding here really.
Kristen said:um...personal log ends here?
Skorian said:Na, I have been doing pretty decent, just haven't felt like I had anything worth adding here really.
blak000 said:I really wouldn't worry so much about the pH of drinks.
Firstly, anything that you eat or drink has to pass through your stomach, which is lined with a protective lining. Also, anything processed in there is usually immersed in HCl, a strong acid (secreted by the parietal cells of your stomach).
Ya, and that has nothing to do with anything. Your referring to instant short-term damage, not long term damage. They are completely different. I am not afraid of OJ, which is more acidic. I drink it still now and then. Just relying on it as a primary drink it will cause problems because of its PH.
Secondly, your body has a bicarbonate buffer system specifically designed to counteract any change in your pH balance. If the acidity level in your body does tend to fluctuate too much, your respiratory system will change to accommodate. This same bicarbonate system comes in handy after contents leave the stomach, as well. Your pancreas secrets alkaline, pancreatic juice high in concentration with the bicarbonate buffer solution. This ends up neutralizing any highly acidic contents from your stomach to a slightly basic pH, one that your small intestines are comfortable with.
Again you’re talking about short term... Over time that system can become overtaxed by things like pop/soda, over filtered water. Most people don't drink juice for every meal. Many people do foolishly drink so much pop it destroys them. If the ph in many parts of the body does change very much you would keel over and die right there on the spot. Most of the fluids have highly regulated PH's that can't change very much or it damages cells. The body isn't quite as fragile as you seem to think I am implying. I never said it was. Loss of potassium, electrolytes, and other elements short term don't mean diddly. The body stores and creates these. The problem is long term. Your trying to argue against what can be shown on a simple urine test that pop/soda and other things when consumed cause leaching of minerals. That is an undeniable fact. It's simple to prove. Which short term doesn't mean diddly ****. Long term though it causes joint problems, stomach and digestive track problems, kidney stones, rotten teeth, brittle bones. The list goes on. Any MD that advocates pop should have his license to practice revoked.
It doesn't matter what pH your food or drink is (assuming it's edible), because it's going to be changed when going through your digestive tract, anyways. In short, don't worry about the pH of drinks.
You should have asked me what I meant, cause could have explained. Sort of how I asked you questions from what you said... Rather then making false assumptions.
Guest said:Dude, I really don't know where you're getting your information from but seriously you really need to reconsider your dietary inputs. As for what blak000 said, I can assure you that is correct as I too have a strong background in health science... I'm completing my majors in health & disease as well as nutritional sciences, and take my advice (although i just skimmed through your posts) and stop referring to whatever sources you have. As an example, drinking distilled water is highly dangerous due to the osmotic gradient that it produces (causing your cells to lyse as solvents will move out),
This whole lysing thing is an opinion or altered perspective. Distilled water is just evaporated water. There is nothing magic done to it. It has not had electric current run through it to alter its structure or anything else that is done in industrial settings so that H20 can be used for different means. It's just the water we breathe in the air. It merely lacks minerals. Tons of people drink distilled water... As this article points out many mass produced beverages use distilled water. It can't be that dangerous. I have been drinking it for years now... All that time though I never thought to take the time to check its PH. I assumed it had a ph of around 7. My sources is ME for much of what I say...
low pH (as in 2 and lower) is dangerouns if consumed in HIGH quantities (causes ulcerations). You need not have concerns about your intakes because as mentioned by blak000 (in simple terms) your gastric acid is of pH 1 and only excessive concentrations of additional acid (of LOW pH) will have possible detrimental effects.
DOH. Ya, something that is a strong enough acid or base will do horrific damage. But they have to be pretty strong acids or bases to do instant harm. Again, you’re talking short term. SHORT TERM.
If you are worried about depletion of bone, i recommend that you eat food not ONLY high in calcium but vitamin D too. vit. D aids in the absorption and mineralisation of calcium with phosphate to produce hydroxyapatite (major crystal in bone)... if you are past the age of mid 20s, (ie. reached your PBM) unfortunately you (like every other human) is losing on average 1-3% of your bone denisty per year.
I already know this and you are correct. Might I add though that sunlight gives huge doses of natural Vitamin D. Far in excess of what a person supposedly can safely take in a pill. Though I do know for a fact a few pharmaceutical drugs are just a massive dose of Vitamin D in a pill under a tricky name to hide what it really is. The problem with taking to much vitamin D from what I have read is impurities and synthetic forms. Synthetic vitamins are dangerous as they can cause cancer and other problems. Always take the better forms that are naturally occurring in nature.
As for the interconnection of entire body... you are absolutely right! And by limiting yourself to these diets that i don't know where you are getting them from, you are MOST definately limiting the necessary nutritional requirements needed for proper function of certain organs... i.e the neck spasm you had could most probably be accounted for by your improper intake of sodium (which caused your muscle action potentionals to enter a state of hyperpolarization)
Limiting myself to a diet? Where did I ever say I was on a diet? I have an allergic reaction to soy, milk, and eggs. If that is what you mean. If I eat them.... I feel ill... They have been confirmed by freaking testing.. I hate assumptions. As far as the sodium is concerned. It wasn't all that much.
For a person who is so concerned about eating properly, you are most definately not getting your research from appropriate medical sources. I advise you to alter your habits before you cause substantial damage to yourself.
?!?!?! You don't even know what your talking about.
All the best
blak000 said:LOL... it's kinda funny how you accused me of being a "know-it-all" in the back channels.
You totally took what I said out of context.
I think if anyone is arrogant and overconfident of his knowledge, it's you. You seem to find it incredibly difficult that you might be wrong about something. Just because you can google some health websites doesn't mean you're a doctor, my friend. I've had the opportunity to learn from prominent professors who have a broad knowledge and experience working with the human body. Believe me, they would NOT agree with your personal assessment. I don't have to convince myself of anything; this is common knowledge in the medical world.
I find it funny how I never said anywhere people had to agree with me. What you fail to comprehend is that your so called professors are all in the same aspect of that field and what they teach is only "their" opinion. It is not absolute truth. In another aspect of the science you could learn a very different way of looking at things and a different approach. Mostly all I read have been written by PhD’s, MD's. Published authors who have big names. It's the same way innovative thinkers have advanced their views for centuries. Sadly mainstream medicine gets a great many things wrong and always has. They don't have a monopoly on truth. Honestly, I never cared what "your" professors think, as they are only human and make mistakes like everyone else. People who think the medical system is without flaws should learn about what happened to doctors who spoke out about germs a few decades back. Many were actually killed because it was thought that "germs" didn't exist. The problem with mainstream medicine today is in many regards they have their heads up Big Pharma and the insurance companies butts so far they can't think for themselves. Big Pharma isn't interested in actual cures. All it cares about is anything it can patent and sell off as a treatment. If there is a cheaper easier way to do the same thing that it can't patent it makes every effort to make sure people "don't" know about it. This is not to say they don't do many good things.
By the way, haven't you noticed that they're trying to SELL you something on the same page as those sources??? LOL.
Everyone is selling something.... almost everyone. Double standards are lame.
You know all those tips I post that you claimed teach people to be fake? Those are tried and true methods recommended by social psychologists. They've been successful in helping people with social anxiety, healing relationships, and saving marriages. You've got to get off your high horse, man. All the advice I've been giving people on this forum came from men and women much more knowledgeable and wise than both you and I (e.g., Dale Carnegie, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, etc.).
There is no one right answer to every problem.... Many people do all those things you say and it makes them feel worse, not better. When you actually learn to listen to more then just yourself it will become obvious.
Guest said:Skorian said:How about this MD as a source? http://www.snyderhealth.com:80/water_ionizers/distilled_and_reverse_osmosis_water.html
As much as I have tried to make sense of what you have said, you jump around alot and don't even seem to complete your ideas. Can you please expand on what your saying and finish one thing before leaping to the next? I would appreciate it.
I would like to expand on what i have said.. i will tomorrow (as it is late)...
as for your source, unfortunately I just searched for any scientific research paper published in the scientific community (my univeristy has online access all credible scientific journals dating back to 80's) and I got no results back with the name Robert Young... unfortunalty with the internet, you need to be causious, because someone might have some education but no more than that...
I doubt they have access to them all, but I am sure that is easy to assume. How would you ever even know if they didn't? This world is a big place and it's easy for lots of things to fall through the cracks. Also one other huge problem here. There are different scientific communities and they don't all overlap or come from the same tree. Other communities can do all the same things and just not communicate with outside groups. I don't know how better to explain this. Basically sometimes when groups of people grossly disagree they choose to avoid one another. Much like all the different branches of religion. Science is also like this where which ever branch you run across will hold themselves up as the ultimate truth and all knowing. It's like this. Many people claim supplements are untested and not supported by the FDA. They are only part right. The FDA doesn't support or not support supplements. The industry has agencies that do rigorous testing. You just have to know what is tested and what isn't. Many have been tested by multiple sources, which is good because you get more then "one" point of view.
you might have possibly came across a Dr. called Mikhail Tombak, Ph.D. This man is also claimed to be a world known researcher... yet non of these so called claims of published works can be found in scientific databases. If you read his books, they are ridiculous... some of his guides are beyond ridicolous... yet people follow it. We had a case where a patient refused chemotherapy (had a malignant form of carcinoma) making claims to this "doctor" and how he stated that the treatment doesn't work (she decided to turn to his herbal treatment)... unfortunately her cancer quickly evolved in the brain and she passed away with more suffering (after being readmitted)...
I can't comment on Tombak. I don't know much about what he says. I did do a web search after you mentioned this and did see 1000's of hits. So he is world known. As far as this women. Well who is to say she followed his advice properly or had any idea of anything. She was treating herself I take it. The problem with cancer treatments is this. If there were a way to treat cancer. It would be to find out how the body itself combats cancer and prevent it before it ever happens. Of course how the body treats cancer can never be patented so Big Pharma will never have much interest in that. All those chemicals are in the public domain and can be manufactured by anyone. It seems unlikely, short of someone educating themselves, that someone who gets a standard university education would ever know of a cheap and effective treatment that wasn't advertised by the pharmaceutical industry. Big Pharma has a headlock on the insurance companies and a huge amount of influence over the AMA. Which influences main stream medicine massively and affects what is taught and what isn't. Mainstream medicine usually fails at treating serious cases of cancer. The real question though is why cancer outbreaks are exploding in many industrialized countries?
as i said you need to be careful with people like that... I see no reasearch papers with the name of Robert young... if you find any please inform me... i'm interested if he is actually a credible source.
The real problem though is that you had taken the whole conversation away from what I was talking about in the first place. MD's, none MD's both make mistakes like every other human being on the planet. Right in some things and wrong in others. Trying to under cutting his credibility doesn't mean he doesn't have some good things to say. I mean whether he is an MD or not was never really the point. Which Mr. Young wasn't even the one who authored those articles in the first place. It's a simple matter to drink one kind of water. Take a urine test and then drink distilled and take another urine test and compare the outcomes. Hardly rocket science. What that article had to say struck a cord with me because I have had tests done that showed exactly the same thing. Exactly. And guess what... I was drinking distilled water at the time. Suprise suprise. Also since all this writing I have had more testing done. It's been a long time. My potassium is very low... It didn't use to be. I wonder why.... Gee lets see. What would make sense? I love banana's so. Something has caused me to lose potassium. Would it be too far a stretch for something I consumed huge amounts of over years to cause that?
Skorian said:Confused yet? I know it's hard to know for sure which is which. After hours of reading about it I am confused.
Bluey said:Skorian said:Confused yet? I know it's hard to know for sure which is which. After hours of reading about it I am confused.
I was born confused lol But really ye I am.. well I have already said that all this confusers me to you. I hope your finding some things that's going to be helpful to you tho.
How have you been feeling just lately dude?
Bluey said:Oh, Sorry to hear that mate. Well its trial and error in this things. At least you know to stay away from that sort of food now.
I always fined some fresh ear is good to clear your heard a bit. Go have a little walk or if you have not got the energy for it just to go and stand out side for a bit can be just as good.
you are getting there though I hope.
Skorian said:Bluey said:Oh, Sorry to hear that mate. Well its trial and error in this things. At least you know to stay away from that sort of food now.
I always fined some fresh ear is good to clear your heard a bit. Go have a little walk or if you have not got the energy for it just to go and stand out side for a bit can be just as good.
you are getting there though I hope.
I can't give up apple pie.....
NeverMore said:If you aren't going to drink water what will you drink?
That's all I drink water and green tea with the occasional glass of OJ
mmm pie
But I am glad to hear things are getting better for you
Skorian said:Just wanted to let people know that Kristen is ok.
NeverMore said:Skorian said:Just wanted to let people know that Kristen is ok.
That's great news, thanks for that
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