Doubt The Rabbit
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AFrozenSoul said:This thread is making me want to give PUA a serious try. That way I can come here and say yes it did work.
Doubt The Rabbit said:Everyone needs to stop worrying about PUA manuals in general. Ridiculous books worth nothing more than toilet paper to set a "standard" of man that women don't even want...
kamya said:I feel like if what Solitary does actually worked, he wouldn't be solitary.
From what I've read, a lot of PUA material is about getting rejected frequently and building confidence...
Doubt The Rabbit said:kamya said:I feel like if what Solitary does actually worked, he wouldn't be solitary.
Low blow much? What Solitary said does work. His problem lies with an internal struggle of being less shy, not the way he approaches women...
Frito Bandito said:It's funny.
Most, if not damn near all, of the people responding in this thread have never seriously picked up a book with the term "PUA" in the title and read it cover to cover...
Doubt The Rabbit said:kamya said:That's not a low blow at all...Doubt The Rabbit said:kamya said:I feel like if what Solitary does actually worked, he wouldn't be solitary.
Low blow much? ...
Um, it is a low blow when you say that "if what Solitary does actually worked, he wouldn't be solitary," implying that his entire advice was invalid. What he admitted was that he's too shy to ask a girl out. That is a completely reasonable setback and it does not discredit his advice.
What men of ALL have a problem of is not just shyness. It's not knowing how to approach a woman altogether. It's not thinking about the woman and only thinking about his own feelings about the woman. It's being generally unpleasant and expecting women to overlook that just because he doesn't want to change himself. Sometimes, it's a combination of ALL of these.
Anyway, as far as I see, Solitary has had more luck than many men here. Note that he says that women DO become interested in him, even if he is shy. Most men of ALL can't even get THAT far.
kamya said:Inner Game
^ Is a decent resource for anyone wanting to improve themselves when it comes to confidence/anxiety. It would be very hard to not find something useful in that list. Not all of it has to speak to you for you to get something out of it.
This is another decent compilation of material to graze through.
I also like THIS one.
This podcast episode might be useful to some members thinking about learning about this kind of thing. It won't hurt.
Astral_Punisher said:@Leanintothemusic
I'm glad I made you feel better. Made me feel better to type some of what I said out. I dislike when people generalize negatively about a topic, so I can't help myself.
kamya said:Inner Game
^ Is a decent resource for anyone wanting to improve themselves when it comes to confidence/anxiety. It would be very hard to not find something useful in that list. Not all of it has to speak to you for you to get something out of it.
This is another decent compilation of material to graze through.
I also like THIS one.
This podcast episode might be useful to some members thinking about learning about this kind of thing. It won't hurt.
I'm perusing these links, and I think they are excellent. It seems to me like 'The Game' but minus the conquesting ('get them to bed ASAP') aspect.
A bookmark and read, definitely.
@floffyschneeman
showing the real you is showing what you truly feel at a particular situation when you think it's right to show it. Being the real you is doing the things you believe in doing. Despite your changes as a person along the years or with the experience you experience, being honest to yourself is showing the REAL you. The real you is not a fixed idea of what you should be or how you should act, but what feels genuine inside, what you feels right for you and what you believe in.
I think it's quite difficult to show the real you in topics such as dating/hunting and all these PUA ***** cos most people get into it blindly. Thinking like it's a game one has to master. You gotta ask yourself, do I really like this girl I find attractive or I just want to get a girl. It's pointless for guys to want to have a girlfriend and yet can't even say if they really like this particular girl they want to ''hunt'' for. And yet they claim that they are nice guys who would treat a girl right.
I do strongly believe that people should be honest to themselves.
But, lets be honest here - most guys are not trained to be nice to Anyone, let alone prospective partners.
Maybe they had poor female leadership growing up, or they 'hung around with males' too much to learn. Maybe they were shy.
This makes them unskilled/inexperienced in the arena of dating/mating/prospecting for a partner.
And cute, clumsy, silly guys are fun and can be very attractive, but when a skilled, attractive, strong, confident, experienced, entertaining guy walks in, he will be the one turning the heads.
And I believe that it's not the woman that turns away most of the time. It's the GUY. He is intimidated.
Why not use a book/manual/advice to shore up their skill/experience/confidence level?
I don't believe that people should use 'PUA' resources blindly, but honestly, if someone wants to use this as a bible, who is to say they should be stopped, or even 'ostracized' as some have said?
People are free to make choices, fail, learn, and grow. The alternative may be never finding anyone at all. I believe that that is the problem, not the sore hearts that occur from 'PUA's.
liking the idea of having a girlfriend is so different from liking this particular girl. When you like a person, you wanna spend time with her, make her happy and just want to at least be her friend. then if you have chemistry, things just happens. that's why a lot of relationships break up as fast as they start cos people these days want something they don't even understand.
Unfortunately, to know what you really want in a partner, you have to get a partner, and learn what it's like.
And, how do you find the girl that you have 'chemistry' with if you don't have the confidence to go and look, or the strength to talk to if you do know her?
I don't believe that it's fair to say that a resource (in this case, 'PUA' materials) is off-limits to someone just because the topic is unsavory to some. I believe that such resources (while not the best tool for a 'traditional dating scenario'), are useful to some, and if it makes the difference between a man saying 'Hello' to a woman he finds attractive, or not, then it has served it's purpose.
And lets be honest again - it's unlikely that a man's 'first' partner will be the partner they are with forever.
I agree that people are 'after something that they don't even understand'.
Understanding comes from time and experience, and that comes from having the chance to learn/love/be crushed and rebuild after. Sometimes many times in a row.
I don't want a guy who knows how to treat women right. I want a guy who treats me right cos it makes him happy. And how to know how to treat a woman or any person right, treat them as how you want yourself to be treated. At the end of the day, human emotions are common to everyone regardless of genders. So guys must also ask themselves, do you want a girl who knows how to work her ways to get ANY guy she finds to her liking? or someone who shows she cares cos she really does.
I am not speaking for all men, but I believe that finding a man that treats a woman 'right' solely to make himself happy (with zero ulterior motive) is uncommon. I'm not convinced that there are many people (of either sex) that feel joy only from helping others, with no expectation of reciprocation.
Also, why does a girl have to have only the skill to 'get whatever guy she wants' OR someone who 'shows she cares because she honestly does'? I know girls that have both of these talents. They have boyfriends that enjoy how their women can still 'seduce' them, but the girls are loyal and do care, and choose their men because of love.
I know you're /rant.
now, I will /rant as well.
@Peter Lorre
From what I understand, hardcore 'PUA's are looking for 'all or nothing', so I don't know if the 'friend-zone' thing even comes into the equation.
It's 'sink' to the bed, or 'swim-away' for them. lol.
VanillaCreme said:Do Pickup Artist manuals work?
No.
LeaningIntoTheMuse said:VanillaCreme said:Do Pickup Artist manuals work?
No.
Then what does?
VanillaCreme said:LeaningIntoTheMuse said:VanillaCreme said:Do Pickup Artist manuals work?
No.
Then what does?
Being yourself. 7 billion people, you're bound to meet someone who does like you for you. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Besides, all that PUA stuff is basically people pretending to be cocky and overly confident - which usually hides a deeper problem, PUA or not - and they all act like they just have "it", and if they had "it" in the first place, they wouldn't have to pretend.
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