Is porn an art? If it is, why has it destroyed some marriages?

[blackhole]

porn used to be about exploiting women,

and in some places it still is,

but in the usa,

the industry is largely dominated and controlled BY women now,

and they make 10 to 20 times what the men do.

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i've said it for a long time now,

a woman's playground is the bedroom,

a man's playground is everywhere else.

 

[beans]

and they make 10 to 20 times what the men do.

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i've said it for a long time now,

a woman's playground is the bedroom,

a man's playground is everywhere else.

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Pls tell me you don't mean that.

 

[Haz]

and they make 10 to 20 times what the men do.

straight men

there are plenty of gay for pay types out there

 

[Badjedidude]

Pls tell me you don't mean that.

Women do make a ****-ton more money in straight porn than men. It's because porn PROVEN to be largely a male-dominated audience. So the majority of men will watch to see a woman. The man in the porno only exists as far as his penis impacts the woman... and there are PLENTY of men who can **** a woman on camera, but there are less women who will **** a man on camera.

 

[beans]

Pls tell me you don't mean that.

Women do make a ****-ton more money in straight porn than men. It's because porn PROVEN to be largely a male-dominated audience. So the majority of men will watch to see a woman. The man in the porno only exists as far as his penis impacts the woman... and there are PLENTY of men who can **** a woman on camera, but there are less women who will **** a man on camera.

you and blackhole have proved what I think of how men view women. Nuff said.

And if you're sooooooooo bitter and jealous about how women are making TONS of money by being ****** using her body, then go and have a sex operation and make porn too.

 

[Haz]

Pls tell me you don't mean that.

Women do make a ****-ton more money in straight porn than men. It's because porn PROVEN to be largely a male-dominated audience. So the majority of men will watch to see a woman. The man in the porno only exists as far as his penis impacts the woman... and there are PLENTY of men who can **** a woman on camera, but there are less women who will **** a man on camera.

you and blackhole have proved what I think of how men view women. Nuff said.

a sweeping generalisation

And if you're sooooooooo bitter and jealous about how women are making TONS of money by being ****** using her body, then go and have a sex operation and make porn too.

nobody is jealous

why facts can't be stated without having some sort of emotional bias behind it all is beyond me

 

[blackhole]

Pls tell me you don't mean that.

are you really even sure what i mean by that?

it WAS a rather cryptic post.

i toned it down the first time.

it's actually:

- the bedroom is a woman's playground

- the battlefield is a man's playground

what that means is each of us is naturally equipped toward seeking, gaining, using power in certain and different ways...

women traditionally have gained, maintained, monopolized power (throughout the vast expanse of history) by using the power of attraction. their feminine charms. THE BEDROOM

men traditionally have gained, maintained, monopolized power (again, throughout history) by using sheer physical force and killer instinct. THE BATTLEFIELD

to a large extent, WITH THOSE SEEKING POWER, these old ways are still in play today.

nowadays, women who seek power will manipulate through the old ways. and it's okay in our current society.

however, men who seek power can not use physical force and killer instinct (basically, the warlord mentality) nowadays. it is not acceptable in our society.

so, there is a cultural imbalance that allows manipulative women to endlessly and unrelentingly seek power, whereas men have been castrated in many ways from our natural inclinations.

 

[Pheenix]

you and blackhole have proved what I think of how men view women. Nuff said.

lololololololololol

 

[TheSolitaryMan]

I'd say it's not a form of art, no.

Art implies you engage with something on an emotional or spiritual level, there's some kind of intelligent thought process behind how it was designed or created to stimulate an intense emotional reaction.

Pornography on the other hand is not about any emotional enlightenment or communication, just the gratification of sexual desire, usually in a cliched and tacky way. Sexual desire is not really an emotion in my book, just a biological imperative that kicks in every now and then.

A naked person draped in a pose that suggests some kind of comparison with the force of nature or another meaning or something like that is art to me. A person showing their genitalia for the sake of it and flashing a vulgar grin is not by a long shot.

I think overall porn is kind of unhealthy. As others have said, it fuels unrealistic expectations in partners, encourages shallow thinking and often comes across as rather degrading as a whole.

Nonetheless, as morally contradictory as it sounds, I have used the milder side of it in the past as a way to banish the most unsophisticated elements of loneliness, though I take no joy in using it. In fact, I see it as one of my most negative character traits, but unfortunately I can't totally turn off my human side until I find someone I want. I honestly wish I could

I know for a fact that if/when I ever get a girlfriend, I will stop that completely.

I don't think it's right to view that kind of stuff if you have a partner, while it's not cheating outright, it's sort of acting as though they're not satisfying you.

Long story short: no, it's not art and it's not morally pretty either in my view, but it does serve some discernible purpose for the lonely and single. Those who are married and have loyal partners don't really have an excuse for using it though.

 

[Limlim]

I think what we should all take away from this discussion is, is that anal is not an unrealistic expectation and women should be encouraged to try it at least once.

 

[hbkdx12]

and there are PLENTY of men who can **** a woman on camera, but there are less women who will **** a man on camera.

im pretty sure that's not true at all. The saturation point for women in porn is so ****** high (largely because both men AND women are more inclined to watch girl/girl or man/girl or some variant as oppose to man/man) that I don't think they're even closing to reach a point where they'd determine that there are too many women in the business therefore the paygrade of these women needs to drop.

Secondly, the concept of ****** on film for a man is WAY more difficult then for a woman. So i highly doubt there are more men who can or even willing to break into porn compared to women and that's before you even consider the difference in pay

 

[SofiasMami]

you and blackhole have proved what I think of how men view women. Nuff said.

lololololololololol

I see I wasn't the only one to laugh out loud here

Teresa

 

[blackhole]

i'm confused.

how does commenting on how women make more money in porn show my "view" on women?

 

[beans]

I think what we should all take away from this discussion is, is that anal is not an unrealistic expectation and women should be encouraged to try it at least once.

Never. If I ever meet a guy I am serious about, I'll say "No anal." If he says, "No, you must try it with me once or I'll leave you." I'll say "Please leave then."

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i'm confused.

how does commenting on how women make more money in porn show my "view" on women?

Because of what you said. You think that it's great that women are making so much more money from porn than men are. Like as though it is something that is so casual.

 

[blackhole]

Because of what you said. You think that it's great that women are making so much more money from porn than men are. Like as though it is something that is so casual.

um no.

i didn't state the fact that women make a lot more money in porn than men because that somehow makes me happy.

i stated it in response to your opinion that women in porn are being used/abused/manipulated by the evil boogieMAN. aka-men

it maybe used to be true. but it's not true. these women are liberated. these women are running the show. these women are banking fat dollars. these women are total sluts. these women are PORN STARS because they CHOOSE to be!

it's not some evil mythological "man" holding them down.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Damn.....imagine this ****.
Out of all the fucken ******** and flaming I get....
All of ya are experts, opinionate, judgemental and more informed about fucken porn than I am.

I can alway look on the bright side.
At least she didnt gave it up for a fucken 6 pack of budwieser or a fucken snow cone.

 

[nerdygirl]

Is porn art? Some of it could be. You know, the artistic kind.

If porn is art, why has it destroyed some marriages? Art is color, sound, movement, words, and so much more. It makes people feel, think, react. What people get from a single piece varies from one circumstance to the next. We receive a message from the artist, combine it with our own thoughts, and it evolves into new ideas.

What destroys marriages? People do. People get into relationships without knowing who they are or what they want/ need. They get married because they're lonesome. Somewhere down the line, each person realizes, "This isn't what I wanted!"

Like butt secks. Some of us want it, and some of us don't. We cannot blame the butt secks. We can only blame the people.

 

[iris]

In general, it's the men who want anal sex, not the women. But some women are so submissive and willing to do whatever it takes to please their partner (or accept it so their partner wouldn't leave them), that they accept anal sex. Needless to say it hurts like hell, you should be totally dumb to accept it. And if you do it too often and for too long you might have serious problems with your anal sphincter in time (that it's not naturally built for sex).

And no, porn is not an art form. It only serves to satisfy a primal urge, it's relatively easy to make and doesn't really need imagination to make - there are only a few forms of sex that are on repeat in all porn. Please don't tell me sex with animals is art...

 

[Pheenix]

I still don't understand why people must classify things as art or not art. Art is not rigorously defined, so who cares?

 

[Limlim]

yay butt secks