Why does my mom always choose bad men?

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TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
Men BAD. Woman GOOD. get it!

I'm not sure where you are getting this statement from. Both Nicolelt and I have stated that all women are not good.

I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman. However, this thread is about a woman, so we are giving the OP examples of what WE have been through and why we stayed or how we survived or whatever. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. That's all the advice I have a right to give. Being as I'm a woman, I'm going to give my own experiences and since I have not dated women, I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women.

Also, perhaps you missed the part of my last post where it said I own up to MY mistakes and what I did wrong in the relationship.

Lol again "I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman" not bad women though eh?

"I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women."

This thread presupposes that its the men that are bad though.
 
Disaffected said:
TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
Men BAD. Woman GOOD. get it!

I'm not sure where you are getting this statement from. Both Nicolelt and I have stated that all women are not good.

I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman. However, this thread is about a woman, so we are giving the OP examples of what WE have been through and why we stayed or how we survived or whatever. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. That's all the advice I have a right to give. Being as I'm a woman, I'm going to give my own experiences and since I have not dated women, I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women.

Also, perhaps you missed the part of my last post where it said I own up to MY mistakes and what I did wrong in the relationship.

Lol again "I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman" not bad women though eh?

"I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women."

This thread presupposes that its the men that are bad though.

Oh, so the man that abused me, cheated on me and left me with 2 kids and no way of supporting myself and HIS children is NOT a BAD guy? Okay, I'll remember that. Thanks.... :rolleyes:

I said a bad relationship BECAUSE of the woman...that implies that the WOMAN is BAD. I think you are just looking to pick a fight since you are so keen on doing your best to prove we are saying things we are NOT saying.
 
TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
Men BAD. Woman GOOD. get it!

I'm not sure where you are getting this statement from. Both Nicolelt and I have stated that all women are not good.

I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman. However, this thread is about a woman, so we are giving the OP examples of what WE have been through and why we stayed or how we survived or whatever. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. That's all the advice I have a right to give. Being as I'm a woman, I'm going to give my own experiences and since I have not dated women, I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women.

Also, perhaps you missed the part of my last post where it said I own up to MY mistakes and what I did wrong in the relationship.

Lol again "I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman" not bad women though eh?

"I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women."

This thread presupposes that its the men that are bad though.

Oh, so the man that abused me, cheated on me and left me with 2 kids and no way of supporting myself and HIS children is NOT a BAD guy? Okay, I'll remember that. Thanks.... :rolleyes:

I said a bad relationship BECAUSE of the woman...that implies that the WOMAN is BAD. I think you are just looking to pick a fight since you are so keen on doing your best to prove we are saying things we are NOT saying.

That's just hearsay, in any case you chose this man for whatever reason.

Your thinking is flawed then.
 
Disaffected said:
TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
Men BAD. Woman GOOD. get it!

I'm not sure where you are getting this statement from. Both Nicolelt and I have stated that all women are not good.

I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman. However, this thread is about a woman, so we are giving the OP examples of what WE have been through and why we stayed or how we survived or whatever. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. That's all the advice I have a right to give. Being as I'm a woman, I'm going to give my own experiences and since I have not dated women, I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women.

Also, perhaps you missed the part of my last post where it said I own up to MY mistakes and what I did wrong in the relationship.

Lol again "I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman" not bad women though eh?

"I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women."

This thread presupposes that its the men that are bad though.

Oh, so the man that abused me, cheated on me and left me with 2 kids and no way of supporting myself and HIS children is NOT a BAD guy? Okay, I'll remember that. Thanks.... :rolleyes:

I said a bad relationship BECAUSE of the woman...that implies that the WOMAN is BAD. I think you are just looking to pick a fight since you are so keen on doing your best to prove we are saying things we are NOT saying.

That's just hearsay, in any case you chose this man for whatever reason.

Your thinking is flawed then.


Actually, I chose this man BEFORE he was an alcoholic and became a complete *******. We had a few good years together before that.

But yes, verbal abuse can cause your thinking to be flawed. I own up to that fact, as well as the other mistakes I made in the relationship and I got help for it. My thinking is no longer flawed or I would have let him come back last year when he wanted to.
 
TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
TheRealCallie said:
Disaffected said:
TheRealCallie said:
I'm not sure where you are getting this statement from. Both Nicolelt and I have stated that all women are not good.

I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman. However, this thread is about a woman, so we are giving the OP examples of what WE have been through and why we stayed or how we survived or whatever. I can only speak for myself and my experiences. That's all the advice I have a right to give. Being as I'm a woman, I'm going to give my own experiences and since I have not dated women, I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women.

Also, perhaps you missed the part of my last post where it said I own up to MY mistakes and what I did wrong in the relationship.

Lol again "I know men who have been in numerous bad relationships because of the woman" not bad women though eh?

"I can't say much about that. So yes, I have been with bad GUYS....not women."

This thread presupposes that its the men that are bad though.

Oh, so the man that abused me, cheated on me and left me with 2 kids and no way of supporting myself and HIS children is NOT a BAD guy? Okay, I'll remember that. Thanks.... :rolleyes:

I said a bad relationship BECAUSE of the woman...that implies that the WOMAN is BAD. I think you are just looking to pick a fight since you are so keen on doing your best to prove we are saying things we are NOT saying.

That's just hearsay, in any case you chose this man for whatever reason.

Your thinking is flawed then.


Actually, I chose this man BEFORE he was an alcoholic and became a complete *******. We had a few good years together before that.

But yes, verbal abuse can cause your thinking to be flawed. I own up to that fact, as well as the other mistakes I made in the relationship and I got help for it. My thinking is no longer flawed or I would have let him come back last year when he wanted to.

I meant when you said "I think you are just looking to pick a fight", that's not what I'm looking for.
 
Either way, I never said ALL the men I dated were bad, but yes, I have been with BAD guys. I've also been with GOOD men, but this thread isn't about the good guys. The OP is asking why her mother chooses men that are bad for or to her. That's what the thread is ABOUT. Go start a thread about good guys and I'll likely contribute to that too. Actually, I'm sure I have somewhere on this forum in the years I've been here.

Oh, and if I was wrong about you wanting to pick a fight, I will own up to that too, but that's how it looks, since you are picking apart everything I say to make it look like something I didn't say.
 
TheRealCallie said:
Either way, I never said ALL the men I dated were bad, but yes, I have been with BAD guys. I've also been with GOOD men, but this thread isn't about the good guys. The OP is asking why her mother chooses men that are bad for or to her. That's what the thread is ABOUT. Go start a thread about good guys and I'll likely contribute to that too. Actually, I'm sure I have somewhere on this forum in the years I've been here.

Oh, and if I was wrong about you wanting to pick a fight, I will own up to that too, but that's how it looks, since you are picking apart everything I say to make it look like something I didn't say.

How is me quoting you making it look like something you didn't say?
 
Disaffected, why are you so hellbent on this? Are you trying to prove that every women here is subconciously a misandrous liar?

Or do you just want to explicitly hear that there are bad women too? Even though that was stated by others a few times already. Just not in the way you want it...

"There are bad women too." Is this the validation you're looking for?

And about that subconscious part on the last page:
You're acting is if you alone could read what people subsciously express with their words...but you see only what you want to see in these words. That's why quoting is not going to help you.
 
STOP!

People are taking things too literally. Stick to the topic and stop the bickering and nit picking.
 
Rodent said:
Disaffected, why are you so hellbent on this? Are you trying to prove that every women here is subconciously a misandrous liar?

Or do you just want to explicitly hear that there are bad women too? Even though that was stated by others a few times already. Just not in the way you want it...

"There are bad women too." Is this the validation you're looking for?

And about that subconscious part on the last page:
You're acting is if you alone could read what people subsciously express with their words...but you see only what you want to see in these words. That's why quoting is not going to help you.

Strawman.You sir should be ashamed.
 
This person was trying to get help, advice. Please dont hijack her thread. "Take it outside you guys" I would say.

As for the topic. I´m sorry for what you and your mom have to go through. I know its tough for both of you, and there isn't really any advice that would miraculously fix this, as your mother has her own head, and makes her own decision.
Only thing that you may do is sit down with her, and tell her about all of what you think. Tell her she is better than this, and that she doesn't have to fear being alone, as she has all of you, and can also find someone who she loves, and is being respected by. After that, I´m afraid, its just on her. If you want to be really pro-active, maybe set her up with someone you think is good (that gentleman you were talking about?) when she is without a partner.
That is all I can offer, I´m afraid. I wish you the best, and I hope your mother will find someone nice for change.
 
Disaffected said:
Shes a bad woman maybe?
Oh lordy, here we go. Funny how you immediately jump on how the OP's female parent is a bad person but gloss right over the bad males.
Wonder why?
Don't answer because I'm not even going to read. I'm sure you've succeeded in hijacking this thread, troll.

-Teresa
 
READ BEFORE YOU POST

I asked for this to stop, or did people just gloss over that?

Here, I'll quote myself and bold it.
Sci-Fi said:
STOP!

People are taking things too literally. Stick to the topic and stop the bickering and nit picking.

If people can't stick to the OP's topic then DON'T POST or this thread will be closed which it shouldn't have to be. LAST WARNING!

Oh and to make it doubly clear, the next person who posts in regards to the bickering that has been going on and NOT to Animelover10102's original post here will find themselves with at least a week vacation.
 
I think a lot of people will choose to be with bad people because they need drama in their lives. Not that they enjoy it - to feel miserable and abused, but because they feel more alive when they have it going on. The emotions appear deeper, both high and low, and they feed each other.

"They treated me like **** for so long that it feels so much better when they treat me good, even if it is in small doses, it feels much more intense"

Perhaps it also feels like a project, something to work on for some. These kinds of people should perhaps direct these desires into something like counselling, or helping who/whatever they can. But not their relationships.
 
There are one or two posts back in the thread that are not arguing, and I hope the OP finds them, as I think this thread is now going to carry on and (hopefully) be useful to her.

PaintersR makes a good point, some people seem to want drama in their lives and it might well be that in your Mum's case.

Also some people are just petrified on being alone, so afraid that they will put up with anyone, and practically anything, to avoid it. It could be your Mum's problem.

As well as drama of course there is a kind of teenage rush that one gets when falling in love or first meeting someone - your Mum could be wanting to get this rush with new men, but then I'm afraid, just rubbish at what a real adult relationship is about, especially one involving children. Which means being responsible and mature, and not exposing your kids to men who are not good role models or good fathers.

It may be that her own upbringing had these kind of men in it - 'mad, bad and dangerous to know,' (said of the poet Lord Byron) - do you know if this was this the case?

Sometimes child sexual abuse can skew a person's whole attitude to themselves, resulting in the choice of dangerous or problematic relationships later n life, or problems such as promiscuity.

This current guy she has though, it seems from what you say that he is not a bad person as such, but that he is bi-polar, so to some extent you maybe cannot blame him for how he is, anymore than if he had lost a limb.

And although you can see better choices for her, she is going to pick who she picks anyway, regardless of what her kids think, by the sound of it. Actually to some extent I would reckon she might be better out without ANY man in her life - even a nice one - until she has sorted herself out. But - is she likely to do that? Probably not by the sound of it.

And as I said somewhere way above here, at the end of the day she is your mother, you are the child, not the parent. I understand how you must worry about her, and want her to do better for herself, but you cannot make her. As someone else pointed out, she has to want to do it.

It might be good for you to have insight into why she does some of these things. Just - don't waste your youth and life trying to save her from herself. You won't be likely to succeed, I'm afraid.

You cannot pick your parents, but you can choose to do things better in our own life, and I very much hope that you do.

**hugs** by the way. I am sure that you need them.
 

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