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I've not given much thought on this topic, these feelings are drowned out by a lack of purpose or higher calling.

I need to fight more than ever, whether it be a human being, war, socio-economic issues, government or religion.

Perhaps this is what i need. I will ponder this while i fight nature later in the week.
 
I am 29, straight, male, always been single. I have dated a bit, but never been in a relationship.

I also have social anxiety, so I tend to push women away, out of fear of opening up to them. This is also why I have trouble making friends.
 
I'm 24 and single, my first and proper medium-length relationship ended a couple of months ago. Sometimes I like being single, but mostly I want to have someone special I can spend time and cuddle with.

There are two reasons for me to be single: work on myself -- improve my social life (get more friends and become better at social interaction) and learning more interesting things/branching out. In short, becoming a more interesting and well-rounded person. I also think it might be a good idea to meet different kinds of people so you learn what you want and like.
I just wish I could dedicate myself to self improvements, but it's hard not to think about getting dates. I think I'd be more happy if I could skip all that pressure.
 
Explain to me why I see women with disabilities, who are married with 3 kids to normal healthy guys, but I see millions of men in the same predicaments who are 35 year old virgins, who never had a date in their life. I see females with no life whatsoever, no job/car/place of their own, that can still attract men, but men in the same situations who can't for the life of them attract a woman.

What if there was a harsh prejudice against men? what if women played a hand in it? The disparities on the difficult of dating/relationships for men and women are incredible, and tragic.
 
Eh, you're pretty much right Firebird but you seem to hate women for it. That doesn't help much.

Here's an article you might like. Lesbian tries dating as a man. Below is a small quote from the article. I'm not sure if I should be giving you ammo or not but I think it's a bit of an eyeopener for some people.
In fact Norah was up for a rude awakening. As a man she found the humiliation she faced from women to be rage inducing. She often found herself unfairly treated in humiliating and downright vicious ways from women, merely for being a man. Eventually she started to develop hatred toward women and started feeling just like the average guy-resentful and angry towards women as a gender.
 
It's an interesting point of view, but I think it's mostly talking about "alpha females", the ones that are bold enough to reject everyone they don't want in a bars and clubs and other crowded places with a small gesture like the one described in the article. for this you have to be bold and outgoing, and used to get approached a lot (so you know exactly how to choose or dash who you want with no hesitation), and not all women are that way. I've never done that in my life. and I doubt I am the only one. And I disagree with a lot of other things she said.
 
kamya said:
Eh, you're pretty much right Firebird but you seem to hate women for it. That doesn't help much.

Here's an article you might like. Lesbian tries dating as a man. Below is a small quote from the article. I'm not sure if I should be giving you ammo or not but I think it's a bit of an eyeopener for some people.
In fact Norah was up for a rude awakening. As a man she found the humiliation she faced from women to be rage inducing. She often found herself unfairly treated in humiliating and downright vicious ways from women, merely for being a man. Eventually she started to develop hatred toward women and started feeling just like the average guy-resentful and angry towards women as a gender.

That's pretty freaking interesting. I think I'd be terrified to pose as a woman for the sake of experimenting. Actually, I just don't see how I could even pull that off without magic. lol!
 
It's a very serious issue, and something needs to be done about it. I've seen way too much to say otherwise. I see guys with disabilities, hundreds, thousands that can't find anyone, never had anyone, well into their 30's, but I see women with these same disabilities and impairments, same ages, same life situations, only difference is they are all MARRIED, with 2 kids, to NORMAL guys. Even if you disregard it still seems to be the same scenario. Wether it's marriage, or dating. The woman will always be guaranteed to find someone. But the man, won't. The man is completely alone but the woman has/has access to potential boyfriends and more.

There is something wrong with that picture. This tells me one gender has an advantage over the other.
 
I find all these sweeping claims really tough to accept without hard third party evidence.

It's alright saying "I've seen hundreds, thousands of guys like X", but have you actually?

Have you legitimately seen thousands of disabled guys in that situation with your own two eyes? Or studied extensive documentation compiled by a reputable statistician that suggests that?

Or are you just pulling that out of thin air for the sake of false weight to your argument?

Perhaps I'm living on a different planet, but I generally find most women easier to get on with than most guys if anything. Most girls are quite friendly and open and I don't see any of this proposed gender divide or dramatic power over one sex or the other.

That's equally anecdotal evidence of course, but I think it's more reasonable to talk about stuff I know I've actually experienced on a small scale than make ridiculously grandiose comments like "I've talked to thousands of women and they're like this."
 
TheSolitaryMan said:
TSM

20, single, always have been! Since being about 15-16 I've wanted to get closer to a girl than standard friendship, but through a combination of poor luck, low confidence and no actual experience I've not been able to do that.
TSM. Does that mean that this situation is what you want? Or is it actually harder to get a relationship with girls than you just made it seem.

Either way I don't even think firebird read the link. While I'm sure it probably is true that disabled guys have a harder time than women in the same situations, I'm not seeing any proof of it. There is quite a bit of proof when it comes to the number of guys willing to date unemployed women being higher than women willing to date unemployed men though. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Unemployed ppls have other things to focus on.
 
kamya said:
TheSolitaryMan said:
TSM

20, single, always have been! Since being about 15-16 I've wanted to get closer to a girl than standard friendship, but through a combination of poor luck, low confidence and no actual experience I've not been able to do that.
TSM. Does that mean that this situation is what you want? Or is it actually harder to get a relationship with girls than you just made it seem.

I think it varies a lot with how people approach it. If someone wants a partner, in most cases I honestly don't think decent girls are in short supply.

Romantically, indeed I'm not in the situation that I want to be in - that's certainly no secret! :p

I'd very much like a girlfriend and yet I don't have one, obviously.

However, I'm in an unsuitable position right now. There is a member of my family who has been in a frail state for over a year, who I must help care for should anything happen. I already play a significant role in helping with stuff like house and garden maintenance on that front, and that branch of the family lives miles away.

I spent about 50% of my last summer holidays, possibly more, attending hospital visits and helping out.

I don't have much of a social life (or really any social life at all to be honest) because most of my friends have moved away from where I live.

My studies absorb a large amount of my time and with assessments the way they are, I'm lucky if I can go to any student/friend-related social events that arise. I've never actually been out clubbing or drinking on a Friday night, for example. Most people do that as a matter of course.

I also live at home, not at Uni or in student accomodation. My home is situated in a small, isolated village. I don't have a job, because again, I couldn't devote adequate time to my studies with one. That means a lack of money for dates.

On top of all that, I feel an awful lot of pressure to find the "right girl" from my parents - though they don't neccessarily realise the extent they instill that in me. So that is an additional barrier.

I thus don't feel "single" and never really have even though I clearly am, because I have neither the resources, time or freedom to experiment with relationships. Many people take that independance forgranted I think.

This makes my situation extremely frustrating at times, because even when there are girls I am very much interested in showing me attention, I never feel able to respond except in the most basic and limited ways. As I've stated before, I've never asked a girl out or even asked to spend time with a girl.

I hope that explains my outlook a little better - I suppose I could appear hypocritical on the subject without clarifying my background like that :)
 
That was a pretty good explanation dood. It sucks to be in that situation but I guess it will pay off eventually right? But then you will probably have a nice job to take your free time too mhmm.
 
kamya said:
That was a pretty good explanation dood. It sucks to be in that situation but I guess it will pay off eventually right? But then you will probably have a nice job to take your free time too mhmm.

I hope so.

Yeah, that's true on the job front. I guess I'm destined to be single for a long time yet! :)

If I wasn't so morally uptight I could probably at least kiss some girls or something. Thanks to my own attitude I can't even feel right just with the idea of doing that though.

I think, when it comes down to it, I'd rather wait for the time to devote to a decent relationship anyway. So despite my internal feelings sometimes, perhaps it's for the best that I'm constrained as I am.

Anyway, I'm done derailing the thread now ^^
 
kamya said:
TheSolitaryMan said:
TSM

20, single, always have been! Since being about 15-16 I've wanted to get closer to a girl than standard friendship, but through a combination of poor luck, low confidence and no actual experience I've not been able to do that.
TSM. Does that mean that this situation is what you want? Or is it actually harder to get a relationship with girls than you just made it seem.

Either way I don't even think firebird read the link. While I'm sure it probably is true that disabled guys have a harder time than women in the same situations, I'm not seeing any proof of it. There is quite a bit of proof when it comes to the number of guys willing to date unemployed women being higher than women willing to date unemployed men though. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Unemployed ppls have other things to focus on.

That is in fact true, my problem is with the females who lie and try to hide how shallow they are.

I can see through it.
 
firebird85 said:
That is in fact true, my problem is with the females who lie and try to hide how shallow they are.

I can see through it.

To be fair though, you've said in the past that you're tall. I remember seeing a photo of you ages ago and you weren't bad looking either!

If some girls are as shallow as you suggest, surely they should be frequently attracted to you simply on that physical basis? :)

Yet I remember you saying that you felt you could identify with these guys who say women never take the first step in flirting and that formed the basis of your views. You said girls didn't show you any real interest and you felt sort of invisible.

Is that still accurate? I'm not trying to be impolite here, I'm genuinely curious.

I'd argue the opposite and that in your personal case it's the stuff you have read giving you a distrust of women and a cynical view towards "dating" that discourages them from showing an initial, impulsive attraction to you.

Most women can also "see through" guys I think, in the same way as you describe your own intuition. If a bloke is harbouring some kind of unusual or unsubstantiated (dare I say shallow?) grudge for whatever reason that's probably quite evident in subconscious behaviour and a turn-off as a result.

Just trying to say that you can't really argue both sides simultaneously.
 
kamya said:
There is quite a bit of proof when it comes to the number of guys willing to date unemployed women being higher than women willing to date unemployed men though. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Unemployed ppls have other things to focus on.

It seems that sometimes women can be more shallow than me. I remember my professor asking the guys if they could date a girl that was over 6 feet tall and all said yes but when she asked the women if they would date a guy under 5'4" they said no.

 
TheSolitaryMan said:
firebird85 said:
That is in fact true, my problem is with the females who lie and try to hide how shallow they are.

I can see through it.

To be fair though, you've said in the past that you're tall. I remember seeing a photo of you ages ago and you weren't bad looking either!

If some girls are as shallow as you suggest, surely they should be frequently attracted to you simply on that physical basis? :)

Yet I remember you saying that you felt you could identify with these guys who say women never take the first step in flirting and that formed the basis of your views. You said girls didn't show you any real interest and you felt sort of invisible.

Yes, invisible. I just do not exist to women. At all. In the dating/relationships, even friendships way. I've been a zero since day 1.
 
TheSolitaryMan said:
I think it varies a lot with how people approach it. If someone wants a partner, in most cases I honestly don't think decent girls are in short supply.

Romantically, indeed I'm not in the situation that I want to be in - that's certainly no secret! :p

I'd very much like a girlfriend and yet I don't have one, obviously.

However, I'm in an unsuitable position right now. There is a member of my family who has been in a frail state for over a year, who I must help care for should anything happen. I already play a significant role in helping with stuff like house and garden maintenance on that front, and that branch of the family lives miles away.

I spent about 50% of my last summer holidays, possibly more, attending hospital visits and helping out.

I don't have much of a social life (or really any social life at all to be honest) because most of my friends have moved away from where I live.

My studies absorb a large amount of my time and with assessments the way they are, I'm lucky if I can go to any student/friend-related social events that arise. I've never actually been out clubbing or drinking on a Friday night, for example. Most people do that as a matter of course.

I also live at home, not at Uni or in student accomodation. My home is situated in a small, isolated village. I don't have a job, because again, I couldn't devote adequate time to my studies with one. That means a lack of money for dates.

On top of all that, I feel an awful lot of pressure to find the "right girl" from my parents - though they don't neccessarily realise the extent they instill that in me. So that is an additional barrier.

I thus don't feel "single" and never really have even though I clearly am, because I have neither the resources, time or freedom to experiment with relationships. Many people take that independance forgranted I think.

This makes my situation extremely frustrating at times, because even when there are girls I am very much interested in showing me attention, I never feel able to respond except in the most basic and limited ways. As I've stated before, I've never asked a girl out or even asked to spend time with a girl.

I hope that explains my outlook a little better - I suppose I could appear hypocritical on the subject without clarifying my background like that :)
TSM

This situation where you take care of family members remembers me very much of my mom's youth. She spent her youth at helping around the house and taking care of her sick mom near death. "Near death" lasted so many years though, in the end my mom was never able to have the career she would have liked, or date the man she loved. :/

She got married at age 50 with a very different man. They've been together until his death, 12 years later. I became "the man of the house" then (with decisions and responsibilities, I was 13), and until I left home, 5 years later. To this day she still calls me regularly to ask me to decide stuff for her.

Not much relation to your story, TSM, but your situation with a lack of openings on the romance side made me think of her. :)
 
Well, I'm sorry to say it, but women clearly have some sort of discriminating and harsh view on men with disabilities, men who are underachievers, or men who aren't good looking. Everyone comes back at me with "well so do men, so do men". The only thing men have discriminating and harsh views on towards women is physical appearance. I am not using isolated cases like you and other people are saying. I go by what happens the majority of the time. The key word here is majority. Majority proves, means, tells and speaks much more then what happens rarely, or less. Majority, realistically. So what does that tell me? It tells me one gender judges the other gender much more, then the opposite. This is not misogyny, this is truth. Pure truth. No emotion. Only truth.

I have educated myself, and debated this subject with other people for over 2 years. The TFL people say it's eugenics. I really don't know what to call it, but there is clearly a big divide in difficulty between men and women when it comes to dating and relationships. It is there. Staring us all in the face. An elephant in the room. Why deny something that is staring you in the face? The world is not a perfect place. Our societies are not perfect. Human beings are not perfect. We all sin. We all stereotype people. We all treat others unfairly in some way. Women are no exception to this. See that's what you've got to figure out right now. You are only seeing a small portion of the big picture. I may not have dated, had relationships, or became thorough friends with females before but that doesn't mean I could in no way possible not know how they percieve, and treat men.

For people to deny this, and throw a cover over this is just insane. How can you sit there and say to a person who has issues, or is considered "inferior", that every bad thing that has ever happened to them in this world, and life, is their fault and only their fault, the world is perfect, life is perfect, usually using your own life as some sort of evidence. Nope. Bologna. Everyone is different.

As far as being unemployed, or being an underachiever, and how it relates to dating and relationships and love, I do believe, no not believe, I know, women are more strict and cut throat. Women want men to be providers and have some direction in their life. I really couldn't care less if a woman judges men this way, in this particular area. But what about when you have a guy who has some kind of disability, and lives off the government because of physical or mental impairments. These guys can't really be providers, except for taking care of themselves, but women will still refuse to get involved with a guy like that. And I don't really think I am talking out of my butthole on this point either, because I've seen women admit this, to me, and other places on the internet. Ironically, I've even seen some women who had disabilities and financial hardhsips/life struggles themselves who refused to date men who were in the same situations. It's a reality. People only want something that is above or better then them. Once again, another view that the female gender has. Not men, on the majority. But women, yes, I think all do. I know they do. I've talked with a few guys like that, and they tell me they never really had any woman at all before. That is very tragic to me, and it shows me that a person could be a great person, but because of one little flaw they might have, that ruins everything for them.

But then a human being will use a person flaw against that person, when they have their own flaws. And when someone uses THEIR flaws against THEM, they don't like it. They hate it. But they have no problem using someone elses flaws against that person.

What's wrong with a man and a woman coming together, accepting who they are, and what they have, and making the best of it? If humans were like this, I know the world would be a very better place for everyone.

Our creator was right. We do sin. We do hurt each other. We do treat each other unfairly. We are not perfect.

The dangers of being a dateless man:

if you are a long-term single man and growing older, with little sign of any sort of a relationship with a woman, there is automatic suspicion placed on you. No joke. Even if you *have* dated in the past.

I think that if you are not perceived as desirable by women in this culture, you are considered broken or aborrent in some way. The misandry compounds this attitude. You are worthless somehow, and tainted. The heat and disgust towards men has become outright toxic.

In the 80s, there was a term called the “Peter Pan Syndrome” about men that would not settle down. They were deemed as irreponsible playboys and bachelors that extended their singledom. It was a slam against men in a way, but I believe it was towards men that women wanted to settle down with them. God forbid those men were looking out for themselves. And men off the radar were not always the source of that shame, but often looked down upon as losers then as well.

Now, it’s even worse. I’ve lurked on romance forums, and you read the usual blather, including the notion that men that have not been married by a certain age or gotten laid are have something seriously wrong with them. (Of course, women are supposed to be exempt from this criticism). There are hordes of women that truly believe this. Granted, I’m sure back in the day some people would speculate that a perpetual single man may be gay or “selfish,” and while families would place pressure on them to marry and have children, the nastiness exhibited towards leveled at men that are not in the loop and don’t interact with women intimately has reached caustic proportions.

And again, for the women have it easier debate, well, after seeing stuff like this, I wonder if there even is a debate.

No woman is "unable" to find a mate.

No Woman Is Unable To Find A Man
Posted by The Black Pill on January 5, 2011

When I talk about how no woman wants me there will be a chorus who say, “There are women who have the same problem.” Yet they can never produce an example of a 32 year old involuntary virgin woman, much less one who has had men do to her what women have done to me. Many men like myself can’t get a woman to piss on us if we were on fire. However, no woman is in that situation. Every woman is able to find a man and does unless she chooses to be alone. And now I have proof.

At In Mala Fide I found out Donna Simpson, an insane **** who wants to weigh over 1000 pounds. She currently weighs somewhere between 600 and 700 pounds. You would think that such a morbidly obese woman would have a lot of trouble finding a man. Nope. She is married and has two kids. Her current marriage is to her second husband. Consider how many decent, hard working, smart, at least average if not better than average looking men can’t get a woman. Yet this woman is able to find men, at least two of them and reproduce. On top of that she has a website where men pay money to see pictures of her. Anytime someone tells you that women have as hard of a time in finding men as 80% of men have in finding women, THEY ARE LIARS. Donna Simpson proves these liars are all full of ****.

Knowing that no matter what a woman can find multiple men interested in her, that explains the extreme and criminal behavior of women towards me and other inexperienced men. Women believe that men are able to be superpromiscuous because they can be. That’s not true for at least 80% of men. In other words because of female projection women don’t really see 80% of men out there. Those of us in that 80% of men are not really human in women’s minds. Thus it’s easy for women to think we should be purged as those of us who have had experience with the sexual harasssment industry, the false rape industry etc. We haven’t done anything but exist. I found this on another blog which explains it well (quoted below).

[Chuck: Exactly. As I wrote, a man that was once considered a "loser" is also now a "creep". A loser is a guy that just exists by himself - doesn't harm a soul. Women now call those same guy's creeps because *merely existing as a socially awkward guy is considered a direct attack*. I believe that it is the same phenomenon as with second-hand smoke or the domestic violence campaign where "mental abuse" conducted at the hands of a man is nothing more than him simply disagreeing with her. No longer are men only harmful if they touch a woman unprovoked; they are also harmful by their mere existence.]

This is another example of how no woman is unable to find a man and how it leads to the dehumanization of those of hated by women.

After reading that, I don't think there is a debate.
 
The second quote is pure ********. You begin the post talking about majorities and then end with a quote about a one off case of a 700 pound woman still able to attract men. There happens to be a similar case only it involves a morbidly obese man yet he was still able to get a wife. They had to make a special device just for them to be able to have sex. Does that mean that no matter what all men can easily get a wife? No. They are both extreme rare examples that completely go against the beginning of your post.

World's Fattest Man Gets Married
Sure looks like some provider.

[Edit- Don't get me wrong. It is obvious that there are some difference in the dating world but your arguments are more like rants, and they kind of suck.]
 
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