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um.. why must it always be up to the guy to make the move? And often in the face of indifference or mixed messages.

Gender equality is a farce.
 
I'd say men and women should have equal rights, but BE equal? Does not compute!

How about you're one of the lucky many and go crazy every month? Or how about that for a woman below average in looks - the guys' perception of average - you're expected to wait but barely anyone gives you a second look? The grass isn't greener on either side, man.
 
Veruca said:
So lesson learnt, always make a move if you want the girl/guy =)

I agree!

And yes, I think women should also make the move. As I did. I think. Lol.
 
We don't have gender equality. We don't even have gender equity. This is one of the foundational issues of sexism. Yes gender roles do indeed hurt men as well.
rdor said:
um.. why must it always be up to the guy to make the move? And often in the face of indifference or mixed messages.

Gender equality is a farce.
 
Even when there is an equal emotional buy-in from both parties societal expectation means that it's still up men to initiate and take the risk.

For instance how many times have you heard a women dismiss a guy on the basis that "he waited too long"?

Generally it's up to men to be witty, make the other laugh and carry the conversation, at least in the initial stages. This is why men are more acquainted with irony and are generally funnier than women; they have to have those skills.
 
Maybe, but if a chick is boring I'll not stick around either. What's the point?
 
Well maybe you're drawn to other aspects of her character that are endearing but not particularly entertaining.

Personality traits women seem to find attractive in men like wit, confidence with a touch of arrogance and unpredictability etc. involve quite a bit of risk, self-belief and work.
 
Nothing sexier than a witty woman, to me. Heh my ex used to get into quite a lot of arguments with horrid little misogynists in the online games we played together, and boy did I love it when she'd verbally tear them a new ******* and make them look stupid.
 
By other characteristics and personality traits you mean ****s right? Because that would totally do it for me, I love ****s. :)
 
Are most men able to take compliments or not ? OR does it depend on on the type of compliment? Like if you are told you are sweet and sensitive, do you dismiss it?
 
I get embarrassed taking compliments and move the conversation on, but I appreciate them.
 
ucxb said:
Are most men able to take compliments or not ? OR does it depend on on the type of compliment? Like if you are told you are sweet and sensitive, do you dismiss it?

Calling me sensitive is personally an anti-compliment, even if meant well, I don't want to be seen in a light that implies weakness. Then again, I don't get the metrosexuality and stuff. I'd feel different about being called considerate though. Get it?

Other than that, you know guys and our egos, lol. Of course we like to get complimented, even if we downplay our appreciation to it sometimes.
 
I will usually grin like an idiot and possibly go red in the face, depending on what the compliment is. I'm not very good at receiving compliments because of the power it has over the way I feel, but I do like it. It helps a lot. The "sensitive" one really depends on who's saying it and how it is said. It's definitely a tricky one, often used as an insult and like perfanoff said, it implies weakness. "God you're such a sensitive little bitch" / "You are so sweet and kind and sensitive". My ex told me I was sensitive in the form of the latter example, and it did ring a little bell in my head that reminded me of the first, but I am sensitive, and that's OK :)
 
ucxb said:
Are most men able to take compliments or not ? OR does it depend on on the type of compliment? Like if you are told you are sweet and sensitive, do you dismiss it?

1. Nobody tells me I'm sweet and sensitive. :cool:

2. Yes, I freely take compliments. If someone wants to tell me that they like something about me, why would that be embarrassing or something?

3. I only give you compliments sparingly. Or sarcastically. A girl has to have some god-tier bazongas to get a "nice rack!" outta this guy, lemme tell ya.
 

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