Street preaching your ideology?

[blackhole]

now, that's just cynical and misinformed.

And that is just denial of the sad truth.

Why do they say on marketing job listing "Can you sell snow to Eskimos" that line alone admits the company is selling useless junk. A good product sells itself.

Of course marketers use these techniques. Just look at apple... "If you wanna be cool and hip you gotta buy apple otherwise you are a cheap nerd"

actually, i would maintain that if anyone needed snow as a commodity, it would indeed be the eskimos.

also, the market is saturated with a supply of snow up there, so the individual snow distributors need to be competitive and aggressive in their marketing to make sure that they deliver the highest quality snow in the most efficient way possible. and of course, if done properly, this will completely reverse global warming and save the whales.

 

[IgnoredOne]

Hehehe. I dunno, I have training as a counselor too.

We don't sell on needs, we sell on wants. Its amusing that you've decided to make yourself the personal dictator of what is necessary and what isn't, but I think that in a free world, people should be permitted to spend their own money however they wish

We influence people - but so does everyone. The moment you put on your resume that you have a certification, you are trying to influence the outcome of acceptance; the moment you talk to someone or smile, you are influencing the outcome. What we do is no more evil or morally unfair than what every single person does, except that we might do so with slightly more skill.

In reality, the best messages are sold because they have at least some truth to them. Starbucks manifests a message of quality, because they do really put in effort on their coffee. BMW sells on prestige because they /do/ make good cars and many people do respect German engineering. And IPad /are/ handy and many girls do find pink ones cute.

We do nothing that hasn't been done for hundreds of thousands of years, and probably have done a good deal to advance society technologically. People /buy/ because it is of some use to them, not because we magically wave our hand and cause them to hand over money, widgets and women(I would love if it was possible, though!)

 

[ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy]

actually, i would maintain that if anyone needed snow as a commodity, it would indeed be the eskimos.

also, the market is saturated with a supply of snow up there, so the individual snow distributors need to be competitive and aggressive in their marketing to make sure that they deliver the highest quality snow in the most efficient way possible. and of course, if done properly, this will completely reverse global warming and save the whales.

Lol sad truth in that being if you where to put that on day time TV people would think you where a hero...

 

[Stride]

Just out of curiosity, what's your alternative to current state of things?

libertarian technocracy with a communist economy and a direct dormancy safeguard.

To get a little back on topic, do you think going out on the street and yelling this will get people to listen to you, and more importantly, understand what that statement means? I guess I'm just not seeing the point other than what Ignored said about public speaking. Maybe writing a manifesto cataloging all your thoughts and how realistically we could assimilate the 311 million people in this nation to your way of thinking would be of greater benefit to your overall goal.

Just maybe less of a waste of time? Anyhow, good luck.

 

[ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy]

Hehehe. I dunno, I have training as a counselor too.

We don't sell on needs, we sell on wants. Its amusing that you've decided to make yourself the personal dictator of what is necessary and what isn't, but I think that in a free world, people should be permitted to spend their own money however they wish

We influence people - but so does everyone. The moment you put on your resume that you have a certification, you are trying to influence the outcome of acceptance; the moment you talk to someone or smile, you are influencing the outcome. What we do is no more evil or morally unfair than what every single person does, except that we might do so with slightly more skill.

In reality, the best messages are sold because they have at least some truth to them. Starbucks manifests a message of quality, because they do really put in effort on their coffee. BMW sells on prestige because they /do/ make good cars and many people do respect German engineering. And IPad /are/ handy and many girls do find pink ones cute.

We do nothing that hasn't been done for hundreds of thousands of years, and probably have done a good deal to advance society technologically.

Then why do I get the feeling I am a cheap geek if I have a normal mp3 as opposed to an ipod?

Don't try and say marketers don't use psycho-analyses and subliminal and suggestive messaging to brainwash into pointless consumerism drives.

Go watch the doco "century of the self" then report back to me..

 

[IgnoredOne]

Just out of curiosity, what's your alternative to current state of things?

libertarian technocracy with a communist economy and a direct dormancy safeguard.

To get a little back on topic, do you think going out on the street and yelling this will get people to listen to you, and more importantly, understand what that statement means? I guess I'm just not seeing the point other than what Ignored said about public speaking. Maybe writing a manifesto cataloging all your thoughts and how realistically we could assimilate the 311 million people in this nation to your way of thinking would be of greater benefit to your overall goal.

Just maybe less of a waste of time? Anyhow, good luck.

I've heard that targeted mailbombings of selected futurist professors and other figures may work wonders for conveying a message....

>.>

 

[blackhole]

we'd be better off living in an environment where there is no need to shop, actually, and no need to work, where, ideally the government would provide for all of our necessities.

mail order style!

 

[IgnoredOne]

Then why do I get the feeling I am a cheap geek if I have a normal mp3 as opposed to an ipod?

Because YOU feel like you're 'cheap'. You defined it yourself; you could have also defined that you were intelligent and acute enough not to have to pay more for a 'brand' item, or that you felt that the features provided by an iPod was not worth the additional price.

You let yourself feel like it is somehow lesser in value to your purpose. We could hardly use the Hand of God to whisper that into your ear; we can only try to promote what we do have.

Its like saying 'why do I feel like I am worthless' and then blaming someone else; well, that person may be at fault, but you also feel like you are worthless because YOU do. You let yourself keep those attitudes.

 

[Stride]

I've heard that targeted mailbombings of selected futurist professors and other figures may work wonders for conveying a message....

>.>

I had no intention of creating the next uni-bomber, but now I'm paranoid.

 

[ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy]

Because YOU feel like you're 'cheap'. You defined it yourself; you could have also defined that you were intelligent and acute enough not to have to pay more for a 'brand' item, or that you felt that the features provided by an iPod was not worth the additional price.

You let yourself feel like it is somehow lesser in value to your purpose. We could hardly use the Hand of God to whisper that into your ear; we can only try to promote what we do have.

Its like saying 'why do I feel like I am worthless' and then blaming someone else; well, that person may be at fault, but you also feel like you are worthless because YOU do. You let yourself keep those attitudes.

No you are praying on hyper-suggestable people marketers created. Now you are trying to front the blame onto the victims of your vial industry... :club:

 

[IgnoredOne]

No you are praying on hyper-suggestable people marketers created. Now you are trying to front the blame onto the victims of your vial industry... :club:

People aren't allowed to make their own decisions because they are apparently, in your opinion, too stupid and victimized. Clearly the proletarian must take control and reeducate the poor sheeple of their folly, and be watchful of any counterrevolutionary thought lest it disrupt what could be a worker's paradise.

Comrade, your Great Leader loves you and wishes to lead you into a society free of the evil propaganda of the capitalists. Be mindful of your neighbors and report any counterrevolutionary thought! Extra rations will be given.

<3

 

[ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy]

It was the most complained about marketing stunt in New Zealand - but Hell Pizza's mass condom drop may have spawned more than just a few angry customers.

This week it emerged that the more than 300,000 condoms distributed by Hell in 2006 failed to meet Ministry of Health guidelines.

Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10741998

Marketers at their moral best...

 

[IgnoredOne]

It was the most complained about marketing stunt in New Zealand - but Hell Pizza's mass condom drop may have spawned more than just a few angry customers.

This week it emerged that the more than 300,000 condoms distributed by Hell in 2006 failed to meet Ministry of Health guidelines.

Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10741998

Marketers at their moral best...

That is a failure of regulation, not a failure of our purpose. And honestly, its not like we would have any ******* clue about manufacturing quality anyway.

In fact, its obviously bad marketing because of public backlash.

 

[ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy]

People aren't allowed to make their own decisions because they are apparently, in your opinion, too stupid and victimized. Clearly the proletarian must take control and reeducate the poor sheeple of their folly, and be watchful of any counterrevolutionary thought lest it disrupt what could be a worker's paradise.

Comrade, your Great Leader loves you and wishes to lead you into a society free of the evil propaganda of the capitalists. Be mindful of your neighbors and report any counterrevolutionary thought! Extra rations will be given.

<3

They can't make their own decisions because they are as brain washed by the corporation's as North Koreans are to the dear leader.

Other then that I agree with everything in that post I for one welcome the new worker's paradise.

Are you scared your dream of joining the fat cat elite will be crushed? :rolleyes2:

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That is a failure of regulation, not a failure of our purpose. And honestly, its not like we would have any ******* clue about manufacturing quality anyway.

In fact, its obviously bad marketing because of public backlash.

Nope. It's the marketers fault for being cheap at all costs to save an extra cent for their dear CEO and the elite shareholders.

 

[IgnoredOne]

Point is that the alternative is as equally degrading, equally infantalizing, and a hell of a lot less efficient. You do not change human nature in the end; you only succeed in starving and killing a lot more people along the way. You simply replace one class with another; and impose brutal repression in a misguided attempt to remove human nature, becoming along the way, even worse than whatever you thought you were replacing.

Every single point of history can illustrate that, but I really don't care to argue any further. Reality will break me out, as it has for the last few hundred thousand years.

 

[Stride]

Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10741998

Marketers at their moral best...

Seems irrelevant. No condom has a 100% chance against pregnancy. Furthermore, I think it proves the point that condoms made by companies in a capitalistic society will work better because, you know, there's competition to put out a better product.

 

[ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy]

Seems irrelevant. No condom has a 100% chance against pregnancy. Furthermore, I think it proves the point that condoms made by companies in a capitalistic society will work better because, you know, there's competition to put out a better product.

If you are implying that China isn't capitalist you are very uncultured and ill-educated.

 

[IgnoredOne]

Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10741998

Marketers at their moral best...

Seems irrelevant. No condom has a 100% chance against pregnancy. Furthermore, I think it proves the point that condoms made by companies in a capitalistic society will work better because, you know, there's competition to put out a better product.

The best argument you could make for marketers are evil is that they chose what turned out to be an inferior product, but obviously it was a disasterous marketing decision.

And yes, it proves the superiority of a competitive capitalist society to regulate and produce working products.

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If you are implying that China isn't capitalist you are very uncultured and ill-educated.

I can assure you that condoms made in the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea are not any better, lol. Maybe those made by the Democratic Republic of Congo would be?

 

[Stride]

If you are implying that China isn't capitalist you are very uncultured and ill-educated.

Uhh, no. Sorry, I thought we were talking about our society which apparently can produce better condoms than communist states. The whole point...

 

[ヾ(^▽^)ノ -Chippy]

Also notice all the capitalism apologists in this thread? They have been brainwashed to think there is sides "them and us" "Communism takes away personal liberty!!!11" "Its us Vs the commies!" "Are you a commie or a freedom lover!"

Best marketing of ideology from the great "free" imperialist American empire the USA who "liberates" the middle east from "evil" dictators.