The Ugly One...

[Unsigned]

An "ugly" or "below average" girl still has a better life than an "above average" guy.
80-20 rule.
Or maybe even 90-10 rule.
It's real.

 

[MysteriousTelephone]

For the record, I’m a dude

 

[CenotaphGirl]

I don’t feel like the ugly one, I feel somewhere in the ballpark of normal, however the single women of the world tend to disagree.

Well you never know you might find a girl who sees you and gets captivated by your handsomeness

 

[CenotaphGirl]

An "ugly" or "below average" girl still has a better life than an "above average" guy.
80-20 rule.
Or maybe even 90-10 rule.
It's real.

Honestly better life is debatable depends what life you want. The difference between “unattractive men” and “unattractive women” is men don't often obsess over their looks, have countless procedures, develop eating disorders statistically as much as women…being unattractive as a woman is like being the opposite of what you want to be, a man can fall back on money, status, power… women cant really fall back on that.

 

[Unsigned]

In the past,a guy who was a 7 could realistically expect to pair off with a girl who was a 7.
Nowadays, a male 7 has to settle for a 4 or 5.
The female 6s and above want/chase male 9s & 10s.
The 80-20 rule.

 

[CenotaphGirl]

In the past,a guy who was a 7 could realistically expect to pair off with a girl who was a 7.
Nowadays, a male 7 has to settle for a 4 or 5.
The female 6s and above want/chase male 9s & 10s.
The 80-20 rule.

Hmm why do you think there has been such a change?

 

[Unsigned]

Hmm why do you think there has been such a change?

The 1960s.
The "women's movement".
No fault divorce + alimony & child support.
US Govt forcing private companies to hire women for "make work" jobs.
Welfare, food stamps, section 8.
Society has made it much easier for women to spend their youth chasing after "Chads" instead of quickly marrying a regular guy who will be a good provider when they are young.

 

[CenotaphGirl]

The 1960s.
The "women's movement".
No fault divorce + alimony & child support.
US Govt forcing private companies to hire women for "make work" jobs.
Welfare, food stamps, section 8.
Society has made it much easier for women to spend their youth chasing after "Chads" instead of quickly marrying a regular guy who will be a good provider when they are young.

So here are my pennies,

I think the truth is a "regular guy" is not going to be able to afford a decent lifestyle today. For most working class people one salary wont give the lifestyle it used to give. This is what is frustrating to a lot of "young men" today according to Youtube university, what is frustrating them is they cant keep up with women's earning potential with social media, work from home corporate jobs and various other questionable revenues. Society has removed "providers", even the idea of being a provider is not appealing to most men, they go on dates thinking about splitting bills. They ask women to buy them things (to men like my dad this was unthinkable) to each their own but lol I feel like it's easy to say women have an easy ride but let's be honest what is the alternative, go to work and still do all the house work for a man who doesn't want to provide for you? Theres an attitude shift in men (most who notice it brush it off by saying women caused it) no matter who is to blame, until that shift is corrected this is what will happen. Not sure if any of this rings true? I think anytime there are conversations about things like this it's so one sided one gender is the "bad guy" however, I think the truth is neither are to blame and its a societal push and agenda at play.

 

[Unsigned]

I think the truth is a "regular guy" is not going to be able to afford a decent lifestyle today.

- I'm a "regular guy" and I've been making a 6 figure income for 3 decades.

even the idea of being a provider is not appealing to most men, they go on dates thinking about splitting bills.

- Granted I'm in my late 50s, but I have NEVER even considered "splitting a bill" with a female.

They ask women to buy them things (to men like my dad this was unthinkable)

Unthinkable to me, too.

go to work and still do all the house work for a man who doesn't want to provide for you?

Again, I have always been "provider material" even in my 20s.

Not sure if any of this rings true?

It may for other guys, but not for me.

I think anytime there are conversations about things like this it's so one sided one gender is the "bad guy" however, I think the truth is neither are to blame and its a societal push and agenda at play.

I totally agree it's not the fault of women, rather it's the fault of changing government policies since the 1960s that made it much easier for women to rely on handouts and special treatment over focusing on getting a "good guy" to be her husband and being a good wife.
And oddly enough, the creators of those policies were men. Weak men desperate to nail down a reliable voting block.

 

[CenotaphGirl]

- I'm a "regular guy" and I've been making a 6 figure income for 3 decades.


- Granted I'm in my late 50s, but I have NEVER even considered "splitting a bill" with a female.


Unthinkable to me, too.


Again, I have always been "provider material" even in my 20s.


It may for other guys, but not for me.


I totally agree it's not the fault of women, rather it's the fault of changing government policies since the 1960s that made it much easier for women to rely on handouts and special treatment over focusing on getting a "good guy" to be her husband and being a good wife.
And oddly enough, the creators of those policies were men. Weak men desperate to nail down a reliable voting block.

What makes you regular? When I think regular, I think regular in looks and status and income level.

Well this is the thing statistically that has all changed, it's not a minority with this view its a vast majority to the point I I am considered a gold digger because I let men pay for my meal, I see nothing gold digging about it lol but there you go.

Women aren't looking for that needle in the haystack anymore, they are looking for quick flings no connections as it all seems more trouble than its worth, probably due to safety nets and provisions like you mentioned. Hence why modesty is a thing of the past and blah blah.

 

[Unsigned]

What makes you regular? When I think regular, I think regular in looks and status and income level.

For NYC, I am regular on all those levels. I'm "higher" than a construction worker. but "lower" than a Ivy League frat boy Bond Trader.
For other places, I suppose I am not "regular", but I live in NY, not South Carolina.

I am considered a gold digger because I let men pay for my meal, I see nothing gold digging about it lol but there you go.

Neither do I. You should NEVER date a guy who wants to split a check. That's a Wimpasaurus Rex, IMO.

Women aren't looking for that needle in the haystack anymore, they are looking for quick flings no connections as it all seems more trouble than its worth, probably due to safety nets and provisions like you mentioned.

Yep.

 

[Finished]

What makes you regular? When I think regular, I think regular in looks and status and income level.

So, I would normally pay the bill at a restaurant without asking the woman I was with. But, if she asked if she could pay half, I would ask are you sure? If she said yes then I would pay half and she would pay half. HOWEVER, I know you like to play games Cen. So, would you do something like that as a test to see if I would pay no matter what you said? And then fail me?

 

[CenotaphGirl]

So, I would normally pay the bill at a restaurant without asking the woman I was with. But, if she asked if she could pay half, I would ask are you sure? If she said yes then I would pay half and she would pay half. HOWEVER, I know you like to play games Cen. So, would you do something like that as a test to see if I would pay no matter what you said? And then fail me?

Probably, I like to know a man wouldn't be swayed by my foolish ideas lol

 

[Unsigned]

I wouldn't let a female pay if she put a gun to my head. Never.

 

[CenotaphGirl]

I wouldn't let a female pay if she put a gun to my head. Never.

a gun!! Loool now now what would you be doing with a violent woman such as that? lmaooo this cracked me up

 

[Unsigned]

a gun!! Loool now now what would you be doing with a violent woman such as that? lmaooo this cracked me up

No. Just an example of something we say here in the US.
Means that I would never let a female pay.
I did have an escort I saw regularly break a wine glass and put it to my throat once, though.
But that's a story for another day...

 

[MysteriousTelephone]

Honestly better life is debatable depends what life you want. The difference between “unattractive men” and “unattractive women” is men don't often obsess over their looks, have countless procedures, develop eating disorders statistically as much as women…being unattractive as a woman is like being the opposite of what you want to be, a man can fall back on money, status, power… women cant really fall back on that.

I would disagree on that one. Being a man, things you mentioned such as status, money, power etc, these are things that are not visible to anyone who doesn't know you. When I'm at a bar or club and a woman rejects me for being ugly, she has no idea what I do for a living, what car I have, wether I own my own house, it's a visceral reaction that simply amounts to "Ewww, no!" and the decision is already made. It's the same with online dating, I do my best to present the best photos of myself, and based on that alone it's a solid "no", without any consideration to anything else.

The sad fact is that a 'below average' woman still has options. She may not be particularly impressed with the options she has, but if she went out with intention of getting a date, she absolutely could. Below average men don't have that safety net.

 

[CenotaphGirl]

I would disagree on that one. Being a man, things you mentioned such as status, money, power etc, these are things that are not visible to anyone who doesn't know you. When I'm at a bar or club and a woman rejects me for being ugly, she has no idea what I do for a living, what car I have, wether I own my own house, it's a visceral reaction that simply amounts to "Ewww, no!" and the decision is already made. It's the same with online dating, I do my best to present the best photos of myself, and based on that alone it's a solid "no", without any consideration to anything else.

The sad fact is that a 'below average' woman still has options. She may not be particularly impressed with the options she has, but if she went out with intention of getting a date, she absolutely could. Below average men don't have that safety net.

Hmm I have to disagree statistics show otherwise, some men just have status and money, statistically it improves their chances, theres things you can do to show status. Even something as simple as a blue tick on instagram changes the dating market for men. Some men even lead with what they can do for me, the life they can offer me when courting. A man always has the option of building something, women do not. Our value is tied deeply with our looks and youth and you may think a below average man is a safety net, but thats thinking from a mans perspective. The argument cannot shift from a woman would rather be on food stamps and government assistance than be with a below average man, to thats some sort of safety net providing her a better life. There is nothing worse than being with a man you don't respect or want. Turns you cold, no woman wants that.

A womans perspective is not an "anything will do" perspective like most men, being isolated lowers a mans self-esteem however, if a man way below me wanted me, that would bruise my ego massively more so than being left alone the whole night. Hence why men wont even approach a woman unless he thought she was below him on the looks scale, something stops him, before they even say anything they know its a no.

The ones that dont understand this face walls and walls of rejection, even harsh rejections. I am a sweet person so I am kind but sometimes the humiliation I feel after is immense. A below average man cannot understand that...as they wish a 2 would skip over.

 

[MysteriousTelephone]

Hmm I have to disagree statistics show otherwise, some men just have status and money, statistically it improves their chances, theres things you can do to show status. Even something as simple as a blue tick on instagram changes the dating market for men. Some men even lead with what they can do for me, the life they can offer me when courting. A man always has the option of building something, women do not. Our value is tied deeply with our looks and youth and you may think a below average man is a safety net, but thats thinking from a mans perspective. The argument cannot shift from a woman would rather be on food stamps and government assistance than be with a below average man, to thats some sort of safety net providing her a better life. There is nothing worse than being with a man you don't respect or want. Turns you cold, no woman wants that.

A womans perspective is not an "anything will do" perspective like most men, being isolated lowers a mans self-esteem however, if a man way below me wanted me, that would bruise my ego massively more so than being left alone the whole night. Hence why men wont even approach a woman unless he thought she was below him on the looks scale, something stops him, before they even say anything they know its a no.

The ones that dont understand this face walls and walls of rejection, even harsh rejections. I am a sweet person so I am kind but sometimes the humiliation I feel after is immense. A below average man cannot understand that...as they wish a 2 would skip over.

I'm seeing a definite contradiction in your argument. You say that a below average man can fall back on status, money etc, but also that when below average men approach you it crushes you. Those two statements can't exist together.

When the below-average man approaches you in the bar, and you feel crushed, does him telling you that he's verified on Twitter really change your outlook on the situation? Are you willing to engage him in conversation to see that even though you can already see he's far behind in the looks department, he may have a decent job & house? Or is it more likely that any woman will already know there's one box he's not checking, and keep looking in search of someone who has the job, the house, and looks decent? This is my experience. Nobody in a social scenario knows what's in my account or where I live. Even when I've been speed dating recently, when people asked what I do, I tell them (mechanical engineer), and 10 out of 10 women ticked 'no'.

 

[CenotaphGirl]

I'm seeing a definite contradiction in your argument. You say that a below average man can fall back on status, money etc, but also that when below average men approach you it crushes you. Those two statements can't exist together.

When the below-average man approaches you in the bar, and you feel crushed, does him telling you that he's verified on Twitter really change your outlook on the situation? Are you willing to engage him in conversation to see that even though you can already see he's far behind in the looks department, he may have a decent job & house? Or is it more likely that any woman will already know there's one box he's not checking, and keep looking in search of someone who has the job, the house, and looks decent? This is my experience. Nobody in a social scenario knows what's in my account or where I live. Even when I've been speed dating recently, when people asked what I do, I tell them (mechanical engineer), and 10 out of 10 women ticked 'no'.

To me if the account and status is right he cant be below average if its simply just his looks then thats a hard one, men aren't all that attractive in general in my opinion so maybe its more their accent, they way they conceal their status, but dont get me wrong, some guys can just pull because they are hot but the reason we see rich old unattractive men with super models is because they have status and money.

I dont know you but I can say sometimes its a no because I felt the guy wanted me … like too much maybe you come off too keen? not sure if you think that could be a thing?