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Hard to believe they get paid that much to deliver packages though, good for them.
In the UK an Amazon driver gets around £12.50 an hour, they're on zero hour contracts so aren't guaranteed to have work everyday. Most of Amazons deliveries are fulfilled by sub contractors who pay drivers as little as 20p a package and the driver uses his own vehicle and fuel.
 
I think globally we live in a badly developed anarchist situation in which the biggest gang has taken over and have declared that it is not an anarchist situation that it is a capitalist or a communist situation. As long as there are leaders / rulers I reckon any system will fail.
 
What do you guys think about a modern form of communism? Is it possible to make it work and have it be fair?
Sorry... it's a no from me. I think the worst thing about communism is it inhibits people who are willing to put all on the line to succeed.
 
Sorry... it's a no from me. I think the worst thing about communism is it inhibits people who are willing to put all on the line to succeed.

I think it's bad in the sense that it usually seems to turn into a dictatorship.

I think communism and capitalism are both bad, because both use coercion. The only difference is who is doing the coercing - the state, or the rich/market forces/people's own need for things like food and shelter and everything else? It's the use of force either way. And in both, the purpose of your life is determined for you - to be productive. You're not really free to determine your own purpose in life.

Then again, the question is, can everyone succeed? What if you weren't born smart? That's not really someone's "fault". It's hard for me to support something where some people are just screwed no matter what, and it doesn't matter what they do, because they just weren't born good enough. They say you're supposed to "make the best you can with what you have", but what happens when "the best you can" still sucks because of what you were born with? Or in most cases, what you were born without?

The thing I don't like about capitalism, is that it makes a lot of things into "faults", when that isn't necessarily the case - like the brains you were born with, or the interests or personality you have. In capitalism, there are "right" and "wrong" ways to be, despite them saying you have "freedom". I mean, technically yes, you have freedom. But when most of that "freedom" is only theoretical because following it only leads to misery, you're a lot less free in practice.

Now that I think about it, there's a lot of parallels, and overlap, between being the kind of person who succeeds at capitalism, and being "cool". And to some extent, attraction too, for that matter.

Another thing capitalism does, is make people follow whatever makes money, and not their true interests - or even to take the time to figure out what your true interests might be, or who you really are at all. So you wind up with a lot of people studying subjects that they never would if they really had the choice, just because they need money and this is what pays, even though they're not really good at it and not really interested in it. And they probably don't even do that well at it either, because it's hard to force yourself to study things that you aren't good at, and don't find interesting.

The way the world is now, STEM is pretty much the "right" answer. But what if you weren't born with a STEM brain? Or the interest in it?
That's not really a person's "fault". It's just how they are.
 
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I think it's bad in the sense that it usually seems to turn into a dictatorship.

But then again, the question is, can everyone succeed? What if you weren't born smart? That's not really someone's "fault".

The thing I don't like about capitalism, is that it makes a lot of things into "faults", when that isn't necessarily the case - like the brains you were born with, or the interests you have. In capitalism, there are "right" and "wrong" ways to be, despite them saying you have "freedom". I mean, technically yes, you have freedom. But when most of that "freedom" is only theoretical because following it only leads to misery, you're a lot less free in practice.

Like what if you weren't born with a STEM brain? Or the interest in it?
That's not really a person's "fault". It's just how they are.
Ska, it's no ones fault, it's just life... I need money to buy my groceries and I need someone to stock the shelves and tell me to have a good day when I leave. If ya know what I mean.
 
Ska, it's no ones fault, it's just life... I need money to buy my groceries and I need someone to stock the shelves and tell me to have a good day when I leave. If ya know what I mean.

Well, soon we'll have robots for that, along with anything else that's simple and repetitive.

But I know what you mean.

I guess...I just really don't believe in "life's not fair". I know that is the way it is, and it might have been the way it had to be when we didn't know any better and didn't have technology to put "knowing better" into practice. But I don't believe it's the way it still has to be.

I think the system of birth lottery is cruel, and there's got to be a better way.
 
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Well, soon we'll have robots for that, along with anything else that's simple and repetitive.

But I know what you mean.

I guess...I just really don't believe in "life's not fair". I know that is the way it is, and it might have been the way it had to be when we didn't know any better and didn't have technology to put "knowing better" into practice. But I don't believe it's the way it still has to be.
Ugh I hope im not hijacking but this is tooo interesting, I always wondered what will happen to working class as technology advances.
 
The thing I don't like about capitalism, is that it makes a lot of things into "faults", when that isn't necessarily the case - like the brains you were born with, or the interests you have. In capitalism, there are "right" and "wrong" ways to be, despite them saying you have "freedom". I mean, technically yes, you have freedom. But when most of that "freedom" is only theoretical because following it only leads to misery, you're a lot less free in practice.
Imo Capitalism perpetuates poverty as it prioritises the needs of individual companies over the needs of the workers ( wooh **** that sounds almost communist, I don't have much time for that ideology either. )
 
Ugh I hope im not hijacking but this is tooo interesting, I always wondered what will happen to working class as technology advances.

I think about that too.

I'm afraid that it's going to be "nothing good", unless society changes the way it thinks, radically.

I've wondered about that too - as technology gets better, and we need less and less people doing things, and the things that we still need people to do are going to be so complicated that only smart enough people can do it even if they could afford the tuition to learn how, what's going to happen? People's ability to work is their bargaining chip, but if society doesn't actually need people to work anymore because robots can do it better, I don't know what we'll do.

The other thing is, the whole game runs on people having money to buy things. The more people that have more money to buy more things, the healthier the economy is. But if only a few people have all the money, they can't prop up an entire economy on that. A few people can't do the consuming of a whole country. Lopsided societies tend to be more dysfunctional.

Once the top people have all the money, the game is over. But we kind of have to keep the game going, for life itself to keep going.

I don't know what to do - do we stop the advancement of technology, in order to preserve jobs so people can keep earning money? Stopping technology seems bad. But that seems like the only way to do it. And the trouble with that is, everyone has to agree to stop advancing technology too, and that's unlikely that everyone will agree to it.

Or, do we rethink the game entirely.
 
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Imo Capitalism perpetuates poverty as it prioritises the needs of individual companies over the needs of the workers ( wooh **** that sounds almost communist, I don't have much time for that ideology either. )

If "the needs of the workers" is too communist, maybe it's more like "it prioritizes the needs of individual companies, over the actual needs of humanity".
 
To whom do you think you are a disappointment?
Honestly my Mum and some friend's but it's a big whole anxiety thing that would be quite long and not really needed in this thread, I'll make a journal thing about it at some point if I remember/find the words... Just needed to vent out the current thought.
 
Honestly my Mum and some friend's but it's a big whole anxiety thing that would be quite long and not really needed in this thread, I'll make a journal thing about it at some point if I remember/find the words... Just needed to vent out the current thought.
Well, whatever it is, I'm sure you aren't really a disappointment to them.
 

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