EveWasFramed said:
OK...everyone settle down.
Is the thread lock coming? A banning perhaps? Mmm...
Locke said:
I have plenty to contribute. Everything I've said is based on your posts. You don't deny that you are sexist, cowardly and have sociopathic leanings. These are all things you admitted yourself before I posted here. I believe you are unintelligent, because your views are.
That's an assessment of me, not relevant to the topic of discussion.
Locke said:
Rating people based on what they look like is shallow, and saying as much is contributing to the conversation.
I'm a nihilist - I don't believe in objective values. Also, I am willing to take just about any female as a lover. Also, I sympathize with those whom were handed the short end of the genetic stick (I am one of them myself). Also, I don't posit that people judge each other entirely on appearance, but merely that it is part of the assessment.
This thread is about judging people in context of whom you would want to be in a relationship with. If we didn't judge each other, any other person would be suitable for a relationship. It is subjective, yes - but it would be difficult to deny some qualities are typically seen as appealing while others are not.
I am sorry you find this thread, and myself, so infuriating - but you've made your point. It is not I alone who assume this human value judgement phenomena to be true, by the way, but many others whom posted in this topic as well.
I started this thread with a purpose, not to make people feel bad, but for people to realistically assess themselves and what they look for in another person. I thought it may prove useful for people whom are unable to find a relationship and may be searching for reasons.
Locke said:
If you take these statements as an insult even though you said most of them first, that's really your problem, not mine. I do find it hilarious that even knowing all of this about yourself, you still don't understand why people hate you.
I don't feel insulted in the slightest. You don't like me, I get it (even though you don't know me). Can we move on?
I don't understand why people hate me. My views may be different, even unpopular, but I do not resort to personal attacks or go out of my way to offend others. In fact, I try to be polite and considerate of others.
MrE1986 said:
In the last hour i might have said some pretty stupid things, but were you asking people to value their entire worth out of ten or have i misread this?
Partly, yes. I wanted people to assess their
desirability on a scale from one to ten, and maybe discuss how they came to that conclusion.
I have not been successful in my romantic endeavors... Now why is that? Can you not see the use, or at least relevancy, of such a discussion?
a lonely person said:
Dude determinism has no practical aplication for anything, of course the article has to asume you make your own destiny. If someone reads it it may help him look at the things more objectively and to know where his/her problems are, and then maybe do something to improve his life. If that person believes in destiny maybe he wont even try. But either if destiny is or isnt a thing, both cases can still occur, the person in the first case can still benefit, weather he feely choses to change his attitude, or it was just a consequence of all his past experiences + reading the article, is irrelevant.
I would have to disagree that "determinism has no practical aplication for anything". If we do not have free-will, we are not responsible for any of our actions. That means that both guilt and pride are illogical, and no one can be held morally accountable for anything. With this knowledge the idea of "justice" takes on a different meaning. Is our goal to hurt those who hurt others, even though it was not their fault to begin with, or are we merely trying to discourage and hopefully rehabilitate social deviants?
It's the difference between stating "this person is bad" or "this person's actions caused others pain".
Also, we cannot hold those whom are unsuccessful responsible for their plight. If two people want to be successful, and one succeeds and one does not - what is our conclusion? That the first one "deserved" it more?
Determinism doesn't play a huge part in my distaste for the judgmental tone of the article. Rather this: if a mentally-disabled person fails to become a quantum physicist, do we tell them to "pull yourself up by your own boot-straps"? Likewise, someone with other, less obvious, difficulties may have to temper their expectations of themselves. This article does not acknowledge that success comes far easier to some than it does to others, or that success may even be
unattainable for some people.
Basically, this article is kicking people while they are down. "You are a failure? Well it's your fault. You didn't work hard enough for it." I personally find that sentiment offensive, and incorrect.