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kaetic said:
MissBehave said:
I think it's more valuable to be able to see that your own reality isn't always the only reality.

EXACTLY!!!
It's called perspective, but apparently X disapproves.

And just as a sidenote about negative thoughts and feelings being reinforced your whole life. That's bullshit. You don't get a license to treat other people like crap just because bad stuff happened to you.

I don't get why you think he has treated you badly at all. 
Why you need others to have perspective. Just keep your own up and that's all that matters. That's all you can ever do. Just because you feel someone else don't have it doesn't mean you get to drop your own.
Seems to me that yall get agitated over something that isn't gonna do any good and end up treating others "badly" in order to protect the rep of not ALL women.
 
MissBehave said:
kaetic said:
MissBehave said:
I think it's more valuable to be able to see that your own reality isn't always the only reality.

EXACTLY!!!
It's called perspective, but apparently X disapproves.

And just as a sidenote about negative thoughts and feelings being reinforced your whole life. That's bullshit. You don't get a license to treat other people like crap just because bad stuff happened to you.

I don't get why you think he has treated you badly at all. 
Why you need others to have perspective. Just keep your own up and that's all that matters. That's all you can ever do. Just because you feel someone else don't have it doesn't mean you get to drop your own.
Seems to me that yall get agitated over something that isn't gonna do any good and end up treating others "badly" in order to protect the rep of not ALL women.

I take it you don't like it when others disagree with you.
And, I'm asking because that is difficult to read, are you suggesting that I'm in the wrong for sharing my view in the first place? Or maybe I shouldn't feel offended when they decide to honeysuckle all over it.

Or maybe my "agitation" is about them once again taking a post asking for actual help and hijacking it hoping to spread the same hate and bile that they always do.

The only thing you're right about is that this whole conversation isn't going to do any good.
 
No I don't mind disagreement at all. 
Just believe that he is entitled to say what he feels just like you are 💗
Everyone is so easily offended these days. 
But yeah. That's just my opinion.
 
kaetic said:
Mocking, ridiculing others isn't attractive...
And honesty is a hell of a lot more important than being witty.

Now smooth talking... I suppose that depends on what you mean. If you want to quote poetry, you can memorize some poems... If you want to tell jokes you can find jokes online, you want to keep a conversation going, listen to the other person. Ask questions, like what kind of stuff do you enjoy doing?

Now I don't have a lot of dating experience...
But the worst date I ever had, was also my first one. I was so nervous about how I was dressed, what I should order, what should I say, how should I act, and all the crap that I let people put in my head about what I should or shouldn't do that I couldn't keep track of what he was saying and took his joke seriously. I was so awkward and I didn't even have any feelings one way or the other for the guy. (that wasn't the worst thing that happened on that date but that's all I'm mentioning on this forum)
I guess my point is everyone gets nervous about this honeysuckle. Don't get so caught up in how you think you "ought to act" that you can't enjoy your date. Well, and listening is REALLY Important.
 
Guess that depends on what kind of persistence.
It is in general a good quality.

I am not a fan of ladies that goes around saying NO like it was some conquestpoint that needs to be won by men.
Don't like men who even think its ok to play that game either.
:p
 
Azariah said:
do women like persistence in men?

If the woman finds you attractive then definitely. It's part of the chase. Women want to know that they are worth much of your effort.

If the woman does NOT find you attractive then it's called harassment.

You have to figure out and understand the subtle clues that women launch back at you otherwise you'll miss an opportunity or you may get in trouble for sexual harassment.

The successful guys can read the clues like a book. It's taken me decades of experimenting to finally decipher the more obvious ones. I'm a more literal person. I like things spelled out for me. Sexual clues are anything but literal.

No means no! Well sometimes it does. Other times no means yes. It depends on a myriad of things. Well, unless the woman changes her mind after the fact. Then she'll say no meant no. 

So, in order to keep myself safe, I stop and leave the area immediately when I hear anything close to no. A few times I was asked why I ran off. Ooops, I mis-judged those. Oh well. It's better to be safe then sorry.
 
Azariah said:
do women like persistence in men?

Depends on what you mean....

persistence on being encouraging, supportive, etc....yes

trying to get with her....mostly no
 
Some still do like persistence when it comes with ‘getting with them’ and that’s one of the screwed up things about gender relations at the moment.
 
I hear yah Ardour. 
Women who do that are also the ones that end up cutting your cloths up, smashing your belongings, faking pregnancies and threatening suicide. 
Or, they haven't understood what they are really doing by using NO as a game. 
It's a huge red flag and no one should dip their junk in that without realizing that it might give you problems.
 
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Do women want a big wedding or a small wedding? Or does it depend on the person?
 
Azariah said:
What do married women think of their husband's going to strip club???

Not really any different than watching porn, only not as graphic. lol

Azariah said:
Do women want a big wedding or a small wedding? Or does it depend on the person?

Definitely depends on the person.  I had a big wedding.  Looking back (and not just because we aren't together anymore) I didn't really need all that.  If I ever get married again, it will just be a small one.
 
I'd like a big wedding but he'd like a small wedding because he's got to pay for it.
I had a Sikh friend many years ago that said he never had holidays,drove cheap cars ,continually saved money ,lived his whole life just to pay for his daughters weddings.I went to one he had hired a whole school and there must have been at least a thousand guests.
 
Azariah said:
What do married women think of their husband's going to strip club???

I don't think any of my exs ever went to a strip club while with me anyway, not many around here.  It's not much different to use girls seeing The Dreamboys taking their kit off on Hen Do's.


Azariah said:
Do women want a big wedding or a small wedding? Or does it depend on the person?

I had a medium ish wedding with my ex it was led by my mil so she got what she wanted.

I don't want to marry again, but if for some reason Jon Bon Jovi got divorced and wanted to marry me I would like to get married somewhere beautiful like a beach with flowers and candles, and a nice meal, and just me him and my kids and anyone who he was close to.
 
AmyTheTemperamental said:
I would go to the strip club, too.

I like the way you think! Ha! ha! I actually went to a male strip club because the girl I was interested in wanted me to go with her. I hoped she would picture the guys dancing when she looked at me later outside the club. Ha! Ha! I was kind of surprised how the club didn't want to let me inside. Really? honeysuckle, women are always welcome in a men's nuddy club.
 

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