EveWasFramed said:
Skorian:
WHy is that when mod calls you on passing insults, you say that they are disagreeing with your argument? Reading his post, Steel in NO WAY said he agreed or disagreed with anything that you said.
He said that he finds "comments about eugenics exceedingly distasteful, and labelling those whom disagree with you as "ignorant and dense" is nothing but an insult." This statement was in no way agreeing or disagreeing with anything. Yet your response, instead of acknowledging your behavior, was to go on about diabetes again! His purpose for posting was to warn you about insults, not to argue about diabetes. Are you really not getting that??
Steel said:
defending it with a zealot-like fervour is perhaps blinding you to the many good points your critics have raised.
I was basically just responding to that.
Sanal said:
Is diabetics by high blood sugar level?
Well then it can be cured with other medicines like Ayurvedic and stuff. I know a guy who had high blood sugar level and done some Ayurvedic treatment and probably got overdosed with it and after some months I heard he is admitted in hospital cos he fainted of "low" blood sugar level. I was like WTF
The problem here is that many, probably correctly, attach hypoglycemic sorts of illnesses as the precursor to diabetes. Now there are herbs that can do this, but they are not a solution to diabetes and are risky. For exactly the reason your friend found out they are.
Haven said:
My opinion on the topic after seeing the documentary I still cant see it as a cure. Its more like a different form of medication to me they still have the diabetes but they don't need the insulin. Honestly to brag about it being a cure is a little farfetched. Almost like false advertisement because instead getting rid of the problem they are simply repressing it. Hopefully you wont think of me as ignorant after see the this. Until a lot more professionals agree with this method of handling diabetes I wouldn't suggest to any one with diabetes to give it a try without a large majority of specailist or professionals to give guarantee of the raw foods diet.
This is one way to view it, sort of.
As far as professionals agreeing with it. This may not even happen in 1000 years.
There will never be a cure for diabetes that is better then the diet-based cure. I will explain why down below.
vertigo said:
Again just because we see something under a microscope and "see atoms" doesn't come close to being able to explain an illness.
This is completely false. There are fields that base their practice upon the ability to diagnose illnesses solely based upon looking at patient’s blood under a microscope. Ignoring viruses and bacteria at the moment. One means towards understanding a problem is by comparing healthy cells vers cells that contain an ailment. This works well in a great many cases. This is what was done here. Once a disease is recognized in this way the solution to the problem can be seen when you find a means to remove that difference. It is a straightforward and reliable means to treat illnesses.
As for diabetes, at the moment there is NO cure, only management options, which are limited. DMI requires insulin injections (no diet will do anything),
This would appear to not be the case. I had thought this myself. I would like to know more about what those behind this video have to say about the illness and why it is possible to treat those who are supposed to not be able to produce any insulin.
while proper diet and exercise can only MANAGE most DMII patients.
This does make a good point. It is a perspective based upon how you look at this.
Just in case you don’t know what a cure is, it means you can eat go out on a binge and eat whatever you want without having a diabetic incident.
Those on this diet can do this, but the question is how much and how often before their illness comes back. That I do not know. People are allowed to cheat a bit, but only after their bodies have healed sufficiently.
About your theory of cells being reborn and "fresh & new" i suggest you do some research about that. I'll help you out and direct you in the right path; cell turnover involves the replication of genetic material, meaning if there is a problem with the dna, the new cell will code for the same aberrant proteins as their parent cell. But don’t worry there’s a lot more to the story so I didn’t spoil it for you.
*rolls eyes* Well of course. The disease of diabetes is not purely based upon DNA however and this is where what you are saying goes wrong. I suppose this is a matter of opinion, but what can I say. What I meant by fresh and new did not mean with different DNA. There are more factors which affect the existence of cells then just their DNA. Many many more. A cell can be damaged without its DNA being changed.
VanillaCreme said:
Skorian, you don't need to tell me anything about diabetes. I know about it. Do you really feel the need to argue with people about things if they don't agree with you? There are certain diseases and ailments that can't be cured by cell reproduction. It's not that easy. It's not as simple as it dying and coming back healthy. No one can be so dense as to believe that it's that simple on something so complicated. There's more to it than just eating raw food. And while that may work on some people, it isn't the cure for it. It all depends on how a person's body is. It's not so cut-and-dry.
You just reduced this whole thread down to one post.... It is a combination of factors which all have to happen together which is why diet can cure diabetes. For one it is about changing the environment that your cells sit in so that they can regenerate. For another your cells use what materials are available to them. If you provide deficient materials that affects the quality of the cell. This is something that works in tandom with DNA. DNA does not just take materials from out of nowhere and produce cells exactly alike based upon the DNA. You can have two cells with the same DNA that are different. An example that you might understand would be to take two identical dogs that were born twins. One is fed premium dog food and the other random thrown away trash. The dogs DNA is the same, but the dogs themselves will be in total different states. Though I am not sure that dogs can be born twins. It should still be something you can mentally understand.
And now for nutrition 101. (the facts of life)
I would hope that everyone already really knows this, but I think sometimes people don't really understand it or take it to heart.
This is a list of most of the most well known substances one needs in their diet on a regular basis to sustain their cells. I am sure in years to come we will discover more. There are also many many more substances that can be found in food. One form of these are known as phytonutrients.
Carbohydrates, Fats, Protein, Vitamins, Minerals,
Vitamin's: A, B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B7, B9, B12, C, D, E, K
Mineral's: Potassium, Chloride, Sodium, Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, Iodine, Iron, Manganese, Copper, Chromium, Molbdenum, Vanadium, Silicon, Boron, Sulfur, Cobalt,
Amino Acid's: Alanine, Arginine, Aspartic Acid, Asparagine, Cystine, Glutamic Acid, Glutamine, Glycine, Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline, Serine, Threonine, Tryptophan, Tyrosine, Valine
Fatty Acid's: Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA), Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) Omega 3, Omega 6
These essential substances are recycled into the rest of the compounds we need to survive. Without a regular and large enough supply of these substances our body and mind will not operate properly. These are needed for everything from the production of energy to the replication of DNA. An inadequate supply will result in suffering in the form of diseases, and mental deterioration.
Any life style that attempts to circumvent these will result in suffering. There is no way around them. No cure, but to resolve their deficiencies. Nor will any disease caused by a deficiency ever be cured by anything, but what the body is lacking. Making the number one cure to the majority of lifes diseases, food. You don't like it, tough, these are the facts of life and what it means to have a body. You can eat well and life will be grand or eat poorly and pay the price.
Vegetables, fruits, nuts, and legumes carry the overall highest quality and best supply of these.
Meat of course is also a source of a host of nutrients, but due to its need to be cooked is not as essential. The act of cooking turns many of its substances into unhealthy compounds. If you can safely eat it raw great, if not then it won't be as high a quality source of nutrients.
Milk products are acceptable in moderation, but the milk of today is not comparable of what milk once used to be. We can survive perfectly fine with no dairy at all.
Grains are a good source of calories and a few nutrients, but on the whole are not as rich a source of nutrients as other sources. Highly refined grains are virtually worthless and over consumption can make people extremely sick.
And now some information from wikipedia
A nutrient is a chemical that an organism needs to live and grow or a substance used in an organism's metabolism which must be taken in from its environment. Nutrients are the substances that enrich the body. They build and repair tissues, give heat and energy, and regulate body processes.
Organic nutrients include carbohydrates, fats, proteins (or their building blocks, amino acids), and vitamins. Inorganic chemical compounds such as dietary minerals, water, and oxygen may also be considered nutrients. A nutrient is essential to an organism if it cannot be synthesized by the organism in sufficient quantities and must be obtained from an external source. Nutrients needed in relatively large quantities are called macronutrients and those needed in relatively small quantities are called micronutrients.
Macronutrients are defined in several different ways.
The chemical elements humans consume in the largest quantities are carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, and sulfur.
The classes of chemical compounds humans consume in the largest quantities and which provide bulk energy are carbohydrates, proteins, and fats. Water and atmospheric oxygen also must be consumed in large quantities, but are not always considered "food" or "nutrients".
Calcium, salt (sodium and chloride), magnesium, and potassium (along with phosphorus and sulfur) are sometimes added to the list of macronutrients because they are required in large quantities compared to other vitamins and minerals. They are sometimes referred to as the macrominerals.
The remaining vitamins, minerals, fats or elements, are called micronutrients because they are required in relatively small quantities.
Substances that provide energy
Carbohydrates are compounds made up of sugars. Carbohydrates are classified by their number of sugar units: monosaccharides (such as glucose and fructose), disaccharides (such as sucrose and lactose), oligosaccharides, and polysaccharides (such as starch, glycogen, and cellulose).
Proteins are organic compounds that consists of the amino acids joined by peptide bonds. The body cannot manufacture some of the amino acids (termed essential amino acids); the diet must supply these. In nutrition, proteins are broken down through digestion by proteases back into free amino acids.
Fats consist of a glycerin molecule with three fatty acids attached. Fatty acids are unbranched hydrocarbon chains, connected by single bonds alone (saturated fatty acids) or by both double and single bonds (unsaturated fatty acids). Fats are needed to keep cell membranes functioning properly, to insulate body organs against shock, to keep body temperature stable, and to maintain healthy skin and hair. The body does not manufacture certain fatty acids (termed essential fatty acids) and the diet must supply these..
Fat has an energy content of 9 kcal/g (~37.7 kJ/g); proteins and carbohydrates 4 kcal/g (~16.7 kJ/g). Ethanol (grain alcohol) has an energy content of 7 kcal/g (~29.3 kJ/g).[1]
Substances that support metabolism
Dietary minerals are generally trace elements, salts, or ions such as copper and iron. Some of these minerals are essential to human metabolism.
Vitamins are organic compounds essential to the body. They usually act as coenzymes or cofactors for various proteins in the body.
Water is an essential nutrient and is the solvent in which all the chemical reactions of life take place.
Vitamins are essential for the normal growth and development of a multicellular organism. Using the genetic blueprint inherited from its parents, a fetus begins to develop, at the moment of conception, from the nutrients it absorbs. It requires certain vitamins and minerals to be present at certain times. These nutrients facilitate the chemical reactions that produce among other things, skin, bone, and muscle. If there is serious deficiency in one or more of these nutrients, a child may develop a deficiency disease. Even minor deficiencies may cause permanent damage.
For the most part, vitamins are obtained with food, but a few are obtained by other means. For example, microorganisms in the intestine—commonly known as "gut flora"—produce vitamin K and biotin, while one form of vitamin D is synthesized in the skin with the help of the natural ultraviolet wavelength of sunlight. Humans can produce some vitamins from precursors they consume. Examples include vitamin A, produced from beta carotene, and niacin, from the amino acid tryptophan.
Once growth and development are completed, vitamins remain essential nutrients for the healthy maintenance of the cells, tissues, and organs that make up a multicellular organism; they also enable a multicellular life form to efficiently use chemical energy provided by food it eats, and to help process the proteins, carbohydrates, and fats required for respiration.
Deficiencies
Deficiencies of vitamins are classified as either primary or secondary. A primary deficiency occurs when an organism does not get enough of the vitamin in its food. A secondary deficiency may be due to an underlying disorder that prevents or limits the absorption or use of the vitamin, due to a “lifestyle factor”, such as smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, or the use of medications that interfere with the absorption or use of the vitamin. People who eat a varied diet are unlikely to develop a severe primary vitamin deficiency. In contrast, restrictive diets have the potential to cause prolonged vitamin deficits, which may result in often painful and potentially deadly diseases.
Because human bodies do not store most vitamins, humans must consume them regularly to avoid deficiency. Human bodily stores for different vitamins vary widely; vitamins A, D, and B12 are stored in significant amounts in the human body, mainly in the liver, and an adult human's diet may be deficient in vitamins A and B12 for many months before developing a deficiency condition. Vitamin B3 is not stored in the human body in significant amounts, so stores may only last a couple of weeks.
Well-known human vitamin deficiencies involve thiamine (beriberi), niacin (pellagra), vitamin C (scurvy) and vitamin D (rickets). In much of the developed world, such deficiencies are rare; this is due to an adequate supply of food; and the addition of vitamins and minerals to common foods, often called fortification.
Some evidence also suggests that there is a link between vitamin deficiency and mental disorders. (Personal edit: I personally believe this an outright fact. From my own experience and reading. The link is massive)
More information can be found here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrition
