Anyone here seen prostitutes/escorts

[Batman55]

There has to be a different way, a better way.

If a different, better way to you is remaining painfully shy, virginal, and lacking any experience of physical intimacy.. then unfortunately, I think many (shy and inexperienced) men would differ.

Before anyone thinks I fully advocate this path, in actuality I see both sides of the coin. But also.. at a certain point, at a certain age.. it's hard for me to really think that blind optimism will work, anymore.

Going by what I've read from several posters here, and what I've heard in general... there does appear to be a general consensus of "enhanced confidence"... we can look at that as realists, or moral optimists... I wouldn't judge either choice... but let us acknowledge the latter position does, unfortunately, begin to lose sway with age.

 

[TheSkaFish]

If a different, better way to you is remaining painfully shy, virginal, and lacking any experience of physical intimacy.. then unfortunately, I think many (shy and inexperienced) men would differ.

That's not what I mean. I mentioned the better way in my post:

What about instead of going to prostitutes and risking getting a terrible disease and giving money ultimately to criminals, or instead of going to strip clubs and going home with no further understanding of how to get a girlfriend, you take that same money you are already willing to spend and hire a men's life coach or a dating expert?

There are lots of men's coaches and dating experts out there who genuinely want to help men learn how to become confident. Unlike prostitutes or strippers, they're not just in it to take your money. They want to help. It's worth a try, several in fact, before going to this terrible extreme. You can do your research and find one that clicks with you.

Also, you can start to help yourself with meditation. I don't mean in some kind of hippie way, I mean just sitting in a chair or laying down on a couch and just thinking about nothing for a while. Maybe you can start to work through your own issues there.

Before anyone thinks I fully advocate this path, in actuality I see both sides of the coin. But also.. at a certain point, at a certain age.. it's hard for me to really think that blind optimism will work, anymore.

Going by what I've read from several posters here, and what I've heard in general... there does appear to be a general consensus of "enhanced confidence"... we can look at that as realists, or moral optimists... I wouldn't judge either choice... but let us acknowledge the latter position does, unfortunately, begin to lose sway with age.

But the optimistic case doesn't have to lose sway. You only decide it does. I'm almost 30 and still a virgin and man, do I ever get lonely for a woman. That's really the only sense in which I am lonely. But I will never hire a prostitute and risk throwing my life away all because I gave up trying to figure my problems out, because I gave up trying to figure out how to be the person I want to be.

 

[RodMark]

I've thought about it. But the one time I had sex was with a friend of mine out of nowhere, when we both got completely wasted one night. It was nice and I don't regret it at all, but it really didn't change much about me as it didn't lead to a relationship and it was 100% alcohol fueled. It wasn't the cathartic event you might imagine it to be nor did it really improve my confidence. I still would say I relate better to "older" virgins than I do to others when it comes to sex and relationships. So I can't imagine for me that seeing an escort for any reason is going to be any different from that. Intimacy with a person with a sense of obligation to be that way vs a person who actually just likes you I don't think can blend together in my head. So for me it's not worth the money.

It depends on the person I guess, as to whether it would help you. If you think the motions themselves are what kills your confidence then I'd say go for it. I wouldn't even worry about 'saving the first time' for a girl that actually likes me. If it's a genuine relationship it won't matter whether it's the first time or the ten thousandth time, at least in my view. Just be safe.

 

[Triple Bogey]

By the time I got to 29 I realized that it wasn't going to happen the normal way.
For whatever reason women didn't find me attractive.
And I wanted to experience it. Why should I miss out ?
Of course after the first time I couldn't wait to go back.
It's never been a problem though. I have never got addicted. Once a month was my average.
I go less now. In fact I am not sure I will ever go back again.
The girls tend to barter for work saying things like 'I haven't seen you for awhile' which I don't particular like.

 

[Batman55]

By the time I got to 29 I realized that it wasn't going to happen the normal way.
For whatever reason women didn't find me attractive.
And I wanted to experience it. Why should I miss out ?

^ More or less what I'm getting at.

SkaFish: Believe me, I do think self-improvement is ideal.

But.. so many things that give me second thoughts about that path. In my case it is the relentless shyness and social awkwardness. All of this can be seen in posture and facial expression. In fact I think my body language is still "tense" even in situations where I'm relaxed and being myself. Apparently it even shows in the very best photos of myself that I've had taken, because I've had it pointed out.

An incorrect posture, tension, etc. *is* unfortunately picked up very quickly by women. And yet.. it's my default state. I question whether it's fixable. How you change the posture/state you've been in your entire life? This is exactly the kind of thing that, whenever I've tried to improve myself, I just tend to stop and think that I can't beat my innate nature as a perpetually tense and hyper-alert, kind of guy.

Nonetheless if you do have some suggestion for "fixing" or "disguising" a bad posture/facial expression, I'd be open to hearing it.

 

[Noibe]

Well I'll tell you one thing everyone who's reading. Not a lot of people can live a day to day like us and survive like us. That I assure you. That it self is a positive if you really take a moment to see that.

 

[kinzeUK]

So, I was wondering...has anyone here seen escorts? And if you have, do you feel the physical actions emulate a girlfriend. Do they typically allow you to just lay in bed and embrace? And how did you go about getting one (off the street, the internet, a friend referral, etc.)[/b][/color]

Hi RL - I paid for an escort out of our local paper back when I got my first flat (apartment) and I was 27 at the time. I was still a virgin and miserable because like you, I wanted a girlfriend and have always wanted to just meet someone (not necessarily get married or have kids) but it just never happened for me. The lady in question was not exactly 'classy' and she said she had a driver waiting out front counting the minutes (30). I won't go into too much detail but suffice to say, I just couldn't perform. It was so cold and clinical and rushed/matter of fact on her part with the most "just get on with it already" attitude about her (not to mention the 'strictly no kissing' that really killed it for me). I might as well have drilled my mattress for crying out loud.

I know it's typical that it's usually the woman who is supposed to feel like she's nothing or a piece of meat (take your average anti-**** feminist arguments) but I'm telling you that it is just as much the guys who are exploited here. Any fantasies I had in my head about what this would be likely were very quickly crushed. All I could mostly think about was that I had to pay for this and I couldn't even maintain an erection long enough to get off. I felt truly ashamed.

Is it any wonder at all why I and many men like myself, retreated even further into ****ography as our only sexual outlet?

After about 5 minutes or so, I asked the woman if she would just mind cuddling for the rest of the time to which she agreed but she was clearly bored/counting off the remaining minutes on my wall clock. I told her she could leave if she wanted to and she was off and out the door. I can't tell you how literally deflated and miserable I felt. I thought that I could have at least lost my virginity even if it wasn't with someone who actually wanted me and obviously wasn't charging by the half hour. It wasn't until I saw someone for a short while nearly a year later who I had sex with and managed to both perform and enjoy it (as did she) like sex is SUPPOSED to be about, that I truly felt like I lost my virginity then.

Anyway, I've certainly got no problem with anyone who wishes to pay for it or visits strip clubs or whatever. I think if it works for you GREAT. I've never been to a strip bar myself and neither would I either. Just watching footage of those places makes me uncomfortable and I'm just not the sort of guy to whoop it up leering at women sliding around poles and thrusting their bits in my face for me to stick money in (if you pardon the phrasing there). And that goes double for lap dancing. As if having constant blue balls as it is needs to be exacerbated with all that carry on

 

[Triple Bogey]

So, I was wondering...has anyone here seen escorts? And if you have, do you feel the physical actions emulate a girlfriend. Do they typically allow you to just lay in bed and embrace? And how did you go about getting one (off the street, the internet, a friend referral, etc.)[/b][/color]

Hi RL - I paid for an escort out of our local paper back when I got my first flat (apartment) and I was 27 at the time. I was still a virgin and miserable because like you, I wanted a girlfriend and have always wanted to just meet someone (not necessarily get married or have kids) but it just never happened for me. The lady in question was not exactly 'classy' and she said she had a driver waiting out front counting the minutes (30). I won't go into too much detail but suffice to say, I just couldn't perform. It was so cold and clinical and rushed/matter of fact on her part with the most "just get on with it already" attitude about her (not to mention the 'strictly no kissing' that really killed it for me). I might as well have drilled my mattress for crying out loud.

I know it's typical that it's usually the woman who is supposed to feel like she's nothing or a piece of meat (take your average anti-**** feminist arguments) but I'm telling you that it is just as much the guys who are exploited here. Any fantasies I had in my head about what this would be likely were very quickly crushed. All I could mostly think about was that I had to pay for this and I couldn't even maintain an erection long enough to get off. I felt truly ashamed.

Is it any wonder at all why I and many men like myself, retreated even further into ****ography as our only sexual outlet?

After about 5 minutes or so, I asked the woman if she would just mind cuddling for the rest of the time to which she agreed but she was clearly bored/counting off the remaining minutes on my wall clock. I told her she could leave if she wanted to and she was off and out the door. I can't tell you how literally deflated and miserable I felt. I thought that I could have at least lost my virginity even if it wasn't with someone who actually wanted me and obviously wasn't charging by the half hour. It wasn't until I saw someone for a short while nearly a year later who I had sex with and managed to both perform and enjoy it (as did she) like sex is SUPPOSED to be about, that I truly felt like I lost my virginity then.

Anyway, I've certainly got no problem with anyone who wishes to pay for it or visits strip clubs or whatever. I think if it works for you GREAT. I've never been to a strip bar myself and neither would I either. Just watching footage of those places makes me uncomfortable and I'm just not the sort of guy to whoop it up leering at women sliding around poles and thrusting their bits in my face for me to stick money in (if you pardon the phrasing there). And that goes double for lap dancing. As if having constant blue balls as it is needs to be exacerbated with all that carry on

When choosing an escort it's best to do some research on the internet beforehand. Find out if she's good at her job, what she does, what she doesn't do etc. It's your money, any doubts then call the thing off. The thing is they want you to come back. Most of the women are brilliant actors. They talk, they seem to care, they are good at what they do. I've also seen some women who have wanted it more than me and literally jumped on top without me even saying what I wanted !

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By the time I got to 29 I realized that it wasn't going to happen the normal way.
For whatever reason women didn't find me attractive.
And I wanted to experience it. Why should I miss out ?

^ More or less what I'm getting at.

SkaFish: Believe me, I do think self-improvement is ideal.

But.. so many things that give me second thoughts about that path. In my case it is the relentless shyness and social awkwardness. All of this can be seen in posture and facial expression. In fact I think my body language is still "tense" even in situations where I'm relaxed and being myself. Apparently it even shows in the very best photos of myself that I've had taken, because I've had it pointed out.

An incorrect posture, tension, etc. *is* unfortunately picked up very quickly by women. And yet.. it's my default state. I question whether it's fixable. How you change the posture/state you've been in your entire life? This is exactly the kind of thing that, whenever I've tried to improve myself, I just tend to stop and think that I can't beat my innate nature as a perpetually tense and hyper-alert, kind of guy.

Nonetheless if you do have some suggestion for "fixing" or "disguising" a bad posture/facial expression, I'd be open to hearing it.

I know what you mean Batman.
I have all kinds of things wrong with me. At first I thought it was maybe me pulling a daft face in a photograph, a random moment. But I have seen it so many times. When I see a reflection of myself in a window or if I have videoed myself playing golf - I am shocked how I appear. People / women will see this.

Lets recap.

Unattractive face with little hair and unusual head shape.

A permanent frown on my face unless I am smiling or laughing. My default expression is a frown. People tell me to cheer up and I have no idea what they are talking about !

Unusual body shape, looks silly, long arms, little legs.

Funny walk.

Funny / miserable sounding voice. I sound cheesed off, depressed. People laugh at the way I speak. I sound deadpan. I can't help it though, it's just the way I talk. The **** I have had at work when they send mystery shoppers in who mark me down saying I was polite but sounded miserable.

A slouch, the way I stand, I look miserable, bored, fed up.

So I have all this to deal with and people say 'just ask' or be 'confident' or 'just get out there' - these people have no idea !

 

[TheSkaFish]

By the time I got to 29 I realized that it wasn't going to happen the normal way.
For whatever reason women didn't find me attractive.
And I wanted to experience it. Why should I miss out ?

^ More or less what I'm getting at.

Because you are taking a very real and very unnecessary risk at becoming fatally sick. You CAN get sex and love the regular way, you just might have to work harder for it than most.

Because you are giving money, ultimately, to pimps who more than likely have their hands in hard drug dealing, gunrunning, human trafficking, and all sorts of terrible crimes. They profit by hurting people. They are firmly on the side of what is wrong with the world.

SkaFish: Believe me, I do think self-improvement is ideal.

But.. so many things that give me second thoughts about that path. In my case it is the relentless shyness and social awkwardness......

Nonetheless if you do have some suggestion for "fixing" or "disguising" a bad posture/facial expression, I'd be open to hearing it.

Yeah, but at least trying is a hell of a lot better than getting a terminal illness, especially one that was entirely in your power to avoid. Someone on this thread earlier said, "you only live once". But see, I don't think that's a justification for reckless behavior. I think that says, play it smart and make the life you want because you only get one shot at life and if you screw up big time, there are no do-overs.

Again - if you, or the OP, or whoever is already willing to spend money, then why not hire a dating expert or a men's coach? I'm sure they even do 1 on 1 sessions, so you don't have to worry about being shy in front of other clients. These people are experts in fixing shyness and social awkwardness. It's their job. That is my suggestion.

I don't mean to condescend to you guys. I am in the same boat as you. The difference is I am not willing to go to this extreme because I know there must be another way out, and I know it because people have been where we've been and got better.

I don't mean to be rude, but I must leave it at this. I have battles of my own to fight. All I can say is, before you do anything you might come to regret, please consider the consequences and the alternatives. There IS another way, but you must be willing to work for it.

 

[Triple Bogey]

By the time I got to 29 I realized that it wasn't going to happen the normal way.
For whatever reason women didn't find me attractive.
And I wanted to experience it. Why should I miss out ?

^ More or less what I'm getting at.

Because you are taking a very real and very unnecessary risk at becoming fatally sick. You CAN get sex and love the regular way, you just might have to work harder for it than most.

Because you are giving money, ultimately, to pimps who more than likely have their hands in hard drug dealing, gunrunning, human trafficking, and all sorts of terrible crimes. They profit by hurting people. They are firmly on the side of what is wrong with the world.


Sorry but you have no idea what you are taking about. No pimps, no drugs, no human trafficking. Massage parlours, clean, tidy places run by decent people. For guys who don't get the chance.

SkaFish: Believe me, I do think self-improvement is ideal.

But.. so many things that give me second thoughts about that path. In my case it is the relentless shyness and social awkwardness......

Nonetheless if you do have some suggestion for "fixing" or "disguising" a bad posture/facial expression, I'd be open to hearing it.

Yeah, but at least trying is a hell of a lot better than getting a terminal illness, especially one that was entirely in your power to avoid. Someone on this thread earlier said, "you only live once". But see, I don't think that's a justification for reckless behavior. I think that says, play it smart and make the life you want because you only get one shot at life and if you screw up big time, there are no do-overs.

Again - if you, or the OP, or whoever is already willing to spend money, then why not hire a dating expert or a men's coach? I'm sure they even do 1 on 1 sessions, so you don't have to worry about being shy in front of other clients. These people are experts in fixing shyness and social awkwardness. It's their job. That is my suggestion.

I don't mean to condescend to you guys. I am in the same boat as you. The difference is I am not willing to go to this extreme because I know there must be another way out, and I know it because people have been where we've been and got better.

I don't mean to be rude, but I must leave it at this. I have battles of my own to fight. All I can say is, before you do anything you might come to regret, please consider the consequences and the alternatives. There IS another way, but you must be willing to work for it.

 

[Mr. M]

Sadly, the need for love and sexual satisfaction is hard coded into us all. This is hurting mankind in more ways than one. Lonely people usually lack opportunities to be satisfied emotionally and sexually in the...normal, I suppose....way. You shouldn't feel bad about artificially simulating a Partner experience with a paid professional, besides, a relationship takes an awful lot of effort to sustain, and is pretty much bound to expire at some point, not to mention that you have significantly reduced control over your actions and decisions while in a romantic relationship. At the end of the day, you’re helping this anyway doomed world die off a few minutes slower. Overpopulation is overburdening this world with an exponentially increasing rate, and there's nothing we can do about it.

I hope I didn't offend anyone, with my views, and perhaps i indeed did get carried away.

 

[Batman55]

I know what you mean Batman.
I have all kinds of things wrong with me. At first I thought it was maybe me pulling a daft face in a photograph, a random moment. But I have seen it so many times. When I see a reflection of myself in a window or if I have videoed myself playing golf - I am shocked how I appear. People / women will see this.

Lets recap.

Unattractive face with little hair and unusual head shape.

A permanent frown on my face unless I am smiling or laughing. My default expression is a frown. People tell me to cheer up and I have no idea what they are talking about !

Unusual body shape, looks silly, long arms, little legs.

Funny walk.

Funny / miserable sounding voice. I sound cheesed off, depressed. People laugh at the way I speak. I sound deadpan. I can't help it though, it's just the way I talk. The **** I have had at work when they send mystery shoppers in who mark me down saying I was polite but sounded miserable.

A slouch, the way I stand, I look miserable, bored, fed up.

So I have all this to deal with and people say 'just ask' or be 'confident' or 'just get out there' - these people have no idea !

Well if that's really what you're dealing with there, then maybe I shouldn't complain as much. Or, it's also possible you're being ridiculously hard on yourself.

In my case it is the posture/facial expression... not so much looking "strange" but tense or stiff, or cold. Somehow I have to work on this. But I just don't know how.

 

[Triple Bogey]

I know what you mean Batman.
I have all kinds of things wrong with me. At first I thought it was maybe me pulling a daft face in a photograph, a random moment. But I have seen it so many times. When I see a reflection of myself in a window or if I have videoed myself playing golf - I am shocked how I appear. People / women will see this.

Lets recap.

Unattractive face with little hair and unusual head shape.

A permanent frown on my face unless I am smiling or laughing. My default expression is a frown. People tell me to cheer up and I have no idea what they are talking about !

Unusual body shape, looks silly, long arms, little legs.

Funny walk.

Funny / miserable sounding voice. I sound cheesed off, depressed. People laugh at the way I speak. I sound deadpan. I can't help it though, it's just the way I talk. The **** I have had at work when they send mystery shoppers in who mark me down saying I was polite but sounded miserable.

A slouch, the way I stand, I look miserable, bored, fed up.

So I have all this to deal with and people say 'just ask' or be 'confident' or 'just get out there' - these people have no idea !

Well if that's really what you're dealing with there, then maybe I shouldn't complain as much. Or, it's also possible you're being ridiculously hard on yourself.

In my case it is the posture/facial expression... not so much looking "strange" but tense or stiff, or cold. Somehow I have to work on this. But I just don't know how.

You would understand if you saw me.
Facial expressions are hard to change. Smile more ? Sounds lame.

 

[Rainbows]

You talk as if only escorts have STD's. Not all of them have STD's, y'no? Condoms have a 99% safety rate. But guess what, your next girlfriend could just as easily have a STD as that prostitute you're calling a criminal.

 

[TheRealCallie]

You talk as if only escorts have STD's. Not all of them have STD's, y'no? Condoms have a 99% safety rate. But guess what, your next girlfriend could just as easily have a STD as that prostitute you're calling a criminal.

This, but condoms don't protect against STDs.

Also, unless you are going to some dirty heroin addicted hooker on the corner, most professional prostitutes and escorts are REGULARLY tested to make sure they don't have any diseases.

My advice to anyone thinking about going down this road is to do your research and don't just hire the first one you find.

 

[Triple Bogey]

You talk as if only escorts have STD's. Not all of them have STD's, y'no? Condoms have a 99% safety rate. But guess what, your next girlfriend could just as easily have a STD as that prostitute you're calling a criminal.

This, but condoms don't protect against STDs.

Also, unless you are going to some dirty heroin addicted hooker on the corner, most professional prostitutes and escorts are REGULARLY tested to make sure they don't have any diseases.

My advice to anyone thinking about going down this road is to do your research and don't just hire the first one you find.

Exactly. Obviously don't try and pick up some woman hanging around a street corner.

 

[TheSkaFish]

You talk as if only escorts have STD's. Not all of them have STD's, y'no? Condoms have a 99% safety rate. But guess what, your next girlfriend could just as easily have a STD as that prostitute you're calling a criminal.

I am not saying what I say because I hate prostitutes or women. I'm saying it because I don't want to see the people here get deathly ill, when it could have been avoided. Prostitution is illegal in many parts of the world. Therefore, a prostitute is by definition a criminal. But that's not even who I was referring to when I said "you are giving money to criminals". I was referring to the pimps, which is where some, possibly the majority, of your money goes. And I'm sure a lot of pimps also take part in other illegal businesses, such as the ones I mentioned. They are not friendly hippies selling weed and mushrooms to music fans. They are people who are likely to be involved in violent crime, or in other things that are a blight on humanity.

Just because one does not see any pimps in the massage parlours doesn't mean that a pimp isn't running things from behind the scenes, taking a cut of the women's money. Simply going there and using their "services" is just the tip of the iceberg. You don't know if it ends there or goes further into organized crime.

I still feel that "oh, just hire an escort bro, it doesn't matter, YOLO" is the wrong message to send to men, especially men who are down and out. And I still haven't seen anyone give a good reason why they should see an escort, but not a dating expert or a men's coach. I could understand if it was money but if you are going to escorts and strippers then the problem isn't money. So what is in the way? These experts could help you solve this problem before it's too late.

Why be so quick to take the riskier path, which yields less return? Especially to those of you who tried escorts already and still aren't confident and still aren't getting dates? You owe it to yourselves to at least try an alternative.

 

[TheRealCallie]

You talk as if only escorts have STD's. Not all of them have STD's, y'no? Condoms have a 99% safety rate. But guess what, your next girlfriend could just as easily have a STD as that prostitute you're calling a criminal.

I am not saying what I say because I hate prostitutes or women. I'm saying it because I don't want to see the people here get deathly ill, when it could have been avoided. Prostitution is illegal in many parts of the world. Therefore, a prostitute is by definition a criminal. But that's not even who I was referring to when I said "you are giving money to criminals". I was referring to the pimps, which is where some, possibly the majority, of your money goes. And I'm sure a lot of pimps also take part in other illegal businesses, such as the ones I mentioned. They are not friendly hippies selling weed and mushrooms to music fans. They are people who are likely to be involved in violent crime, or in other things that are a blight on humanity.

Just because one does not see any pimps in the massage parlours doesn't mean that a pimp isn't running things from behind the scenes, taking a cut of the women's money. Simply going there and using their "services" is just the tip of the iceberg. You don't know if it ends there or goes further into organized crime.

I still feel that "oh, just hire an escort bro, it doesn't matter, YOLO" is the wrong message to send to men, especially men who are down and out. And I still haven't seen anyone give a good reason why they should see an escort, but not a dating expert or a men's coach. I could understand if it was money but if you are going to escorts and strippers then the problem isn't money. So what is in the way? These experts could help you solve this problem before it's too late.

Why be so quick to take the riskier path, which yields less return? Especially to those of you who tried escorts already and still aren't confident and still aren't getting dates? You owe it to yourselves to at least try an alternative.

OMG dude, do you hear anything anyone is saying? Not every damn prostitute and escort has a pimp. Not every damn escort and prostitute has STDs. Usually, only the dirty ones have them. I think you are confusing dirty whores with professional escorts.

Oh hey, and guess what, I know a few people who have gotten STDs that have never even met an escort or prostitute. Do you even know how the whole thing works?
MOST ESCORTS AND PROSTITUTES GET TESTED REGULARLY FOR STDs. Also, most STDs will not make you DEATHLY ill. :rolleyes2:

 

[TheSkaFish]

OMG dude, do you hear anything anyone is saying? Not every damn prostitute and escort has a pimp. Not every damn escort and prostitute has STDs. Usually, only the dirty ones have them. I think you are confusing dirty whores with professional escorts.

Oh hey, and guess what, I know a few people who have gotten STDs that have never even met an escort or prostitute. Do you even know how the whole thing works?
MOST ESCORTS AND PROSTITUTES GET TESTED REGULARLY FOR STDs. Also, most STDs will not make you DEATHLY ill. :rolleyes2:

Yes, I hear what everyone is saying. No, I still don't think it's a good idea, for the reasons I've already mentioned. More importantly, I still don't hear anyone come up with a good reason why they will not consider a dating expert or a men's coach.

I'm not saying a person should take NO risk and spend their whole life in bed. I'm saying, take risks that matter. Take risks that have meaning, don't just have a cavalier attitude with your one life.

The sets of ideas we subscribe to are pretty much polar opposites, so I feel that continuing to debate is unwise and counter-productive.

 

[TheRealCallie]

OMG dude, do you hear anything anyone is saying? Not every damn prostitute and escort has a pimp. Not every damn escort and prostitute has STDs. Usually, only the dirty ones have them. I think you are confusing dirty whores with professional escorts.

Oh hey, and guess what, I know a few people who have gotten STDs that have never even met an escort or prostitute. Do you even know how the whole thing works?
MOST ESCORTS AND PROSTITUTES GET TESTED REGULARLY FOR STDs. Also, most STDs will not make you DEATHLY ill. :rolleyes2:

Yes, I hear what everyone is saying. No, I still don't think it's a good idea, for the reasons I've already mentioned. More importantly, I still don't hear anyone come up with a good reason why they will not consider a dating expert or a men's coach.

I'm not saying a person should take NO risk and spend their whole life in bed. I'm saying, take risks that matter. Take risks that have meaning, don't just have a cavalier attitude with your one life.

The sets of ideas we subscribe to are pretty much polar opposites, so I don't think continuing to debate is a good idea.

I'm not faulting you for saying that you don't think it's a good idea. Personally, I don't think it is either, but to each their own.

BUT, what I have an issue with is that you basically keep insisting that if you go to an escort, you will get a disease. This is not true. Aside from that, you can get a disease from anyone. Honestly, someone could get a disease from YOU (generalized you, not saying you have an STD here), unless you have been tested for everything. There are some STDs, such as HPV, that don't often show symptoms for men, but if a woman gets it, it could and likely does cause a lot of problems, such as cancer. This is what happened to my cousin.

As for a dating coach, IMO, it's not really any different from therapy. Dating coaches can teach you how to ask and all that ****, but what mostly comes from that is gaining higher confidence and self esteem, which everyone has, they just have to figure out how to cut out the negative and tap into it.
So, personally, if you have confidence and self esteem problems, the better method would be to get help for that and observe people (not in a creepy way, of course) and see what happens in day to day life for people who aren't so shy and lacking self esteem.