Morality of Cheating

[Lonesome Crow]

Im not implying anything....
Im just asking.

I just like to hear fucken theroy from
people that havnt had experience certain things first hand.

Before you make assumptions...

1. You must have a GF or WIFE first before someone can moo her away or she cheats on Ya.

2. Whatever Morals, eithic code a person ought to act like Kind da go out the door when a life throws you a fastball. A person mind can snap.
Everyone isnt go to react the sameway in any given situations..

Its not as if anyone of us gets trainned or have drill to handle such matters...such as natural emergency.
Even after extensive trainning or drill
for natural emergency...Some people still react or dont take corrective actions..

BWT..Im been on the recieiving end
of the stick serveral times on this Cheating or infidelity crap.

You dont know what I go through, feel, or think. Pain is not just a fucken 4 letter word. And you know what? That pain dosnt go away by itself or will ever go away. .I never saw life the same after that.

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Ive heard it from all angles from different people or entity..so that I may heal or unravel my mind.

Such as...she never belonged to me to begin with..even if she was my wife..she belongs to GOD.

To...shes just a stupid *** **** sucking ***** of a fucken whore. I deserve better..

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So...what fucken great life lessons may I gain from that??

Its fucken Karmma...from **** I did fucken 20 past life times ago?
Holi ****...try to wrap you head around that ****...

Or Life is just fucken Un the fucken fair...just get over it?

Geeese the fucken whizzzz

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So..before you assuming ...thats Its me.
I have poor taste in women...That I only pick slutty hot blondes pyscho *******.

1. These women come after me.They reject other men and asked me out.

2. They all are very free will, high class, will educated and very intelligent.

3 They all are very loving, very kind and all have the so call fucken good quality a person ought to have.

4 Non of them have psycho ***** stamp on their forhead...no matter how they look or thier especific personalitis or what they do for a living.
Anywhere from a social worker, the innocent church girl, high power business woman, to the wild free spirited.

 

[AFrozenSoul]

@blackhole: I follow what you are saying. However, I have not seen many relationships ever start out as trash. They generally start out as rare perfectly cut diamonds. Then over time they either stay brilliant or they slowly waste back into the carbon from which they came.

@Badjedidude: It makes it ok and right for the person doing it. In the end this is my life and my existence. If I like ruining marriages then I will do it. Because it makes me happy.

Closet homosexuals are the perfect example of people hiding their true desires. These people are never happy. They are always miserable living that lie day in and day out. If they just admitted to things in the first place then they would be happier.

Hell I know exactly what it is like to deny myself. I used to want to believe I was Asexual. I found the best way to believe the lie was to get angry, and secretly masterbate all the time. During this time I was angry, depressed, and hated everything. When I finally had a sex life I realized the truth and accepted it. I was much happier and more relaxed and life seemed livable.

I guess my ramblings are saying. I would rather live a short life experienceing my desires. Over living a long life repressing them. I won't say that in the view of society it is right. However, it is right for me.

 

[Equinox]

It makes it ok and right for the person doing it. In the end this is my life and my existence. If I like ruining marriages then I will do it. Because it makes me happy.

In that case you are a real and true ****, and all I can do is feel sorry for you. People who find pleasure in making other people unhappy, are the saddest kind of human specimen I can possibly imagine. If everyone were to just go around and do whatever the hell they wanted without consideration for anyone else, this world would be thoroughly horrible to live in.

Thank goodness most people are not like this. You talk about what's "right in the view of society", and you make your funny little metaphors, but it appears you have no compassion or respect for other people and their feelings. And that is the real issue here.

 

[TheSolitaryMan]

@blackhole: I follow what you are saying. However, I have not seen many relationships ever start out as trash. They generally start out as rare perfectly cut diamonds. Then over time they either stay brilliant or they slowly waste back into the carbon from which they came.

@Badjedidude: It makes it ok and right for the person doing it. In the end this is my life and my existence. If I like ruining marriages then I will do it. Because it makes me happy.

Closet homosexuals are the perfect example of people hiding their true desires. These people are never happy.

Sorry, but no. No, they are not the perfect example. It's a ******, irrelevant example that's been crudely twisted to fit your reasoning.

Hiding your sexuality for fear of society condemning it and taking a highly Egoist stance of "I can do whatever the hell I want" are two completely, utterly different scenarios.

The two can only be bridged in the absolute thinnest way by applying a huge, generalising assumption that the other person (in a marriage or whatever) is raging with desire for you but can't show it. That's literally the best and only comparison available.

Even then, it's a vacuous logical link that only serves to try to vindicate a selfish and pretty indefensible viewpoint.

The world is not based on hedonism, at least for most people. If you look at those who do only what brings them pleasure, or only what they feel like, you'll universally see drug addicts, dictators, sadists, criminals and people regarded as manipulative and devious.

What kind of civilisation would we have if people just did what "makes them happy" regardless of the morality of it? I can tell you now that ****, murder and theft would rise dramatically.

Sorry, but a cold and callous remark like that deserves some kind of response.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Henry Ford was fucken Nazi supporter..
He did whatever **** he wanted...
The father of industrializations...
A modern day slave driver...he didnt even allow workers to talk on the production line...If you didnt like it..U can get the **** out...there be millions to replace your ***..
Yet others veiw him as a fucken hero.

Rockerfellar famous quote..
" we dont need fucken citizens..we need slaves"...

Notice...even the wording use to discribe the USA general populations..
" CONSUMERS"


Get yourself a job, get a pretty wife,
buy a house, build a family...
The American Dream...

The rat race..Rats chasing the cheese.

Dreaming to be tide to the secheme of whomever the **** is doing whatever the **** they want liveing it up living the high life.

some poeple wake up in the moring sometimes saying or feeling..
"WHO move the fucken Cheese?"LMAO

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Frued was a fucken crack head
Heroin junkie....

Modern day society use his fucken
delusional theory as a base for or guideline as healthy psychology...

Then you wonder why...its kind da fuked up and dont make fucken sense..LMAO

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Errr...yeah
Jesus...turn more water into wine..man.LOL

 

[TheSolitaryMan]

Henry Ford was fucken Nazi supporter..
He did whatever **** he wanted...
The father of industrializations...
A modern day slave driver...he didnt even allow workers to talk on the production line...If you didnt like it..U can get the **** out...there be millions to replace your ***..
Yet others veiw him as a fucken hero.

Rockerfellar famous quote..
" we dont need fucken citizens..we need slaves"...

Notice...even the wording use to discribe the USA general populations..
" CONSUMERS"


Get yourself a job, get a pretty wife,
buy a house, build a family...
The American Dream...

The rat race..Rats chasing the cheese.

Dreaming to be tide to the secheme of whomever the **** is doing whatever the **** they want liveing it up living the high life.

some poeple wake up in the moring sometimes saying or feeling..
"WHO move the fucken Cheese?"LMAO

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Frued was a fucken crack head
Heroin junkie....

Modern day society use his fucken
delusional theory as a base for or guideline as healthy psychology...

Then you wonder why...its kind da fuked up and dont make fucken sense..LMAO

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Errr...yeah
Jesus...turn more water into wine..man.LOL

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So what's your stance then? Because that whole post seemed to be sitting on the fence and the quotes could have been interpreted any number of ways. Do you believe in egotistic hedonism and screw everyone else, or what?

Yeah, some famous (and successful) people have been renowned as selfish or manipulative. That doesn't mean it's morally justifiable to act like that.

As I mentioned in the previous post with dictators, I'm pretty sure people like Gaddafi are swimming in money because they're egotistic, hot-headed and selfish. Does that make it acceptable to torture people and rule a country with an iron fist?

It's a pretty baseline moral standard that you don't **** up other people's lives just because you stand to get personal gain out of it. People like Ford were running businesses in a time when human rights were not nearly as advanced as they are now.

That example is totally different to, say, stealing something because it benefits you, or breaking into someone's relationship to seduce them because you don't care about the hurt that causes.

If you want to challenge basic rules like that, you may as well start challenging why we live in societies in the first place, and don't just club each other to death with rocks.

To be honest, I think AFrozen simply got too carried away with the hypothetical rationalisation of everything, or at least I hope he doesn't regard people like that.

 

[SophiaGrace]

It makes it ok and right for the person doing it. In the end this is my life and my existence. If I like ruining marriages then I will do it. Because it makes me happy.

In that case you are a real and true ****, and all I can do is feel sorry for you. People who find pleasure in making other people unhappy, are the saddest kind of human specimen I can possibly imagine. If everyone were to just go around and do whatever the hell they wanted without consideration for anyone else, this world would be thoroughly horrible to live in.

Thank goodness most people are not like this. You talk about what's "right in the view of society", and you make your funny little metaphors, but it appears you have no compassion or respect for other people and their feelings. And that is the real issue here.

+1

 

[gypsytrip]

Look,

I am a bit of a romantic. And although I don't know about soulmates, I do believe that certain people are more right for each other.

Just because two people are in a relationship and placed in the "not-single" category, does not mean they are the right fit for one another. People date and begin relationships with others to get to know them and see if they are the special person they want to spend the rest of their lives with. In my opinion. And considering how many people there are in this world and how many relationships fail, this is a difficult quest.

I think cheating is wrong no matter what the circumstances. There is never any justification for it. But if SINGLE person Jim, believes taken person Lisa, is right for him, I think Jim has the right to "woo" Lisa.

People have personal morals and it is your OWN responsibility to uphold them. If Lisa wants no part in the woo-ing and has her heart set on her boyfriend Greg, then she can tell Jim to kindly leave her alone and that is that. But at least Jim tried.

This world is too short and too filled with confusion and pain to let such strong opinions get in the way of finding your happiness. Think in the grande scheme of things. If Lisa went with Jim, her resolve to stay with Greg was obviously not strong enough, meaning they were not meant to be. Maybe Jim and Lisa lived until they were 80 and had lovely grandkids and Greg went on to find Jill and they also lived until 80 with lovely grandkids.

It all depends on your own virtues and how far you are willing to take things. If Lisa CHEATED (and cheating in my opinion, is anything that you are adamant about hiding from your significant other, such as texts and outings), then she has low morale and does not deserve happiness. However if she realized her feelings for Jim were a little too strong and immediately broke it off with Greg, I see no problem.

PERSONAL thoughts. Time heals all wounds, and the failure of relationships only provides knowledge and possible success of future ones.

 

[AFrozenSoul]

@TheSolitaryMan: -_- well you know I have never met a person who has admitted they enjoy something weird or unaccepted. Such as admitting being homosexual. Then said "I wish I had never done that". People who are true to themselves and who they are tend to be happier than those who try and conform to what others want. That was my point.

Let me say this..... drug addicts, dictators, sadists, criminals. They are all much happier than the majority of people on this forum

@Equinox: Well like I said. I would rather, live a short happy life. Over living a long miserable, or even content life. I respect peoples ability to decide what is right and wrong. I have enough respect for them to admit they are a free thinking individual person. Unlike... well you, who forces feelings and decisions on them based upon titles. You say "Not single" means X, Y and Z. You make assumptions based upon what you want to believe the world is like. You see a boyfriend, not a man. I am at least willing to see people.

 

[floffyschneeman]

Look,

I am a bit of a romantic. And although I don't know about soulmates, I do believe that certain people are more right for each other.

Just because two people are in a relationship and placed in the "not-single" category, does not mean they are the right fit for one another. People date and begin relationships with others to get to know them and see if they are the special person they want to spend the rest of their lives with. In my opinion. And considering how many people there are in this world and how many relationships fail, this is a difficult quest.

I think cheating is wrong no matter what the circumstances. There is never any justification for it. But if SINGLE person Jim, believes taken person Lisa, is right for him, I think Jim has the right to "woo" Lisa.

People have personal morals and it is your OWN responsibility to uphold them. If Lisa wants no part in the woo-ing and has her heart set on her boyfriend Greg, then she can tell Jim to kindly leave her alone and that is that. But at least Jim tried.

This world is too short and too filled with confusion and pain to let such strong opinions get in the way of finding your happiness. Think in the grande scheme of things. If Lisa went with Jim, her resolve to stay with Greg was obviously not strong enough, meaning they were not meant to be. Maybe Jim and Lisa lived until they were 80 and had lovely grandkids and Greg went on to find Jill and they also lived until 80 with lovely grandkids.

It all depends on your own virtues and how far you are willing to take things. If Lisa CHEATED (and cheating in my opinion, is anything that you are adamant about hiding from your significant other, such as texts and outings), then she has low morale and does not deserve happiness. However if she realized her feelings for Jim were a little too strong and immediately broke it off with Greg, I see no problem.

PERSONAL thoughts. Time heals all wounds, and the failure of relationships only provides knowledge and possible success of future ones.

Of course, but then what if Jim tried to woo Lisa when Greg and her were having problems, as long term relationships are not always cake and candies. What if Lisa entertained Jim cos she has doubts her relationship with Greg wont last for long yet still doubting if Jim really wants her, kinda like paddling on two rivers.

I say, life is unpredictable. But we have to have respect for other people and their properties/relationships/stories. I think wooing a person despite of them being in a committed relationship is almost always an act of manipulating someone to leave their current so they can be with you leaving the current (now ex) feeling betrayed, the person you wooed feeling guilty and you feeling proud and happy for getting what you want. Besides, if Jim really think Greg is not the right fit for Lisa, he would also think they will eventually break up, by then, Lisa would be able to entertain him with less complications and emotional doubts and struggles.

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Open post:

There is no morality in cheating because it is an act of stealing someone from the other, depriving them of their chance to try out their life together, meddling in their relationship, and most often that not, emotionally manipulating them to get what you want regardless of your intentions.

However, there is you rationalizing or moralizing the wrong things you have done. There is you hiding on the stance of ''it is only what society dictates us to do''. There is you proving to people you are not wrong.

But like you said, as long as you don't think you are wrong and that you don't care what other people think of you, go ahead and do whatever you want til Karma, bad or good, bites you in the ***.

It is after all a human nature to always want to convince others and themselves they didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Nitramici]

@TheSolitaryMan: -_- well you know I have never met a person who has admitted they enjoy something weird or unaccepted. Such as admitting being homosexual. Then said "I wish I had never done that". People who are true to themselves and who they are tend to be happier than those who try and conform to what others want. That was my point.

Let me say this..... drug addicts, dictators, sadists, criminals. They are all much happier than the majority of people on this forum

Nobody's telling you to not be yourself. Trying to not harm others doesn't mean you can't be yourself. I'm not judging you, that's just what I think.

But aside from that, addicts of any kind are, in general, not happy at all. I can't see what brought you to think otherwise. I've known plenty, in a friendly community setting open to anyone, where they could not take any drugs. Those were their happiest moments, because they felt accepted, no matter who they were.

I knew a mother who suicided after her drug addiction finally got the better of her, leaving her kids behind. I know this sounds like a cheap appeal to emotions... but please reconsider your position on atleast this thing. There's no way addicts are "being true to themselves". They genuinely need help.

And ultimately, I think you have doubts yourself, or this thread wouldn't exist. Who are you really trying to convince? Do you really think you'd be happy after wooing a taken girl to your side? How long would that even last? Is it worth it? It sounds like a poisoned relationship from the start, in most cases.

 

[IgnoredOne]

Its not really a 'poisoned' relationship, in my experience, but it needs to be for the right reasons. I haven't really replied to this thread because honestly, it borders on complete irrationality and disconnect from reality than anything. I might actually try reading it sometime and writing something eventually, though.

 

[Nitramici]

Its not really a 'poisoned' relationship, in my experience, but it needs to be for the right reasons. I haven't really replied to this thread because honestly, it borders on complete irrationality and disconnect from reality than anything. I might actually try reading it sometime and writing something eventually, though.

If it's for the "right reasons", sure. That's vague enough to be trivially true. But I don't think it's usually for the right reasons.

 

[IgnoredOne]

Well, centrally, if someone isn't happy in a unhealthy relationship, they may be looking outside for options and the cheating would be a symptom of an already diseased/dying relationship rather than the cause of its death. It may be the final symptom and cause of death of the relationship, of course, but that doesn't mean that said relationship did not already have systemic issues before.

 

[Nitramici]

Well, centrally, if someone isn't happy in a unhealthy relationship, they may be looking outside for options and the cheating would be a symptom of an already diseased/dying relationship rather than the cause of its death. It may be the final symptom and cause of death of the relationship, of course, but that doesn't mean that said relationship did not already have systemic issues before.

That's already a lot clearer, thanks.

Is the single person really only going to go for it if he/she's aware of the true unhealthiness of the relationship though? While being sure it's not just a "rough" moment they're having? I think in most cases, the person is really only going for it because he wants to. Not to save the other from a "bad" relationship or anything. That's just what allows him to go for it.

Can it turn out better for all parties involved? Sure, sometimes. It can turn badly too. I don't think that changes whether the act was ultimately selfish or not, either way.

I just think it's too easy to pretend that, in general, single people who cheat are doing it to save the other from a bad relationship. Let's be honest, that's probably not what usually happens.

 

[IgnoredOne]

Can it turn out better for all parties involved? Sure, sometimes. It can turn badly too. I don't think that changes whether the act was ultimately selfish or not, either way.

How is that not true of everything though? And a lot of things start selfishly - most human actions, in my opinion, to be honest. Things still turn out reasonably well, all things considered.

I just think it's too easy to pretend that, in general, single people who cheat are doing it to save the other from a bad relationship. Let's be honest, that's probably not what usually happens.

Of course not. Selfishness in some form is central to most motivations, along with liberal doses of self-justification.

 

[Nitramici]

So basically, you're saying that single people who cheat usually act on this because they ultimately just want to and think the timing allows them to go for it. They merely hope for the best, while trying to justify their conduct with false reasoning ("I want to save them from their failed relationship!").

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I said last post, and you seemingly agreed with it. I said the person only goes for it because he wants to, wether the relationship of the other really is bad or merely going through a bump. Then I said the person tries to justify himself with reasons that don't hold, just so he can feel good about himself.

That doesn't sound too moral to me, but it depends on your definition of morality. I don't think it's "the worst thing evar" or anything, but it's definitely not moral to me.

 

[IgnoredOne]

Well, I suppose that we agree though I think that the reasoning may be equally possible to be true. Its self-justifying, sure, but its often that the cracks have already appeared that let them in.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

Well...dudes

Its like...theres still parts in this world that men have wives by the Waazoooo.lol Its morallity andcuturrely acceptiable. And its still morally acceptiable to stone women to death.

And theres still arrange marriages.
Forcing someone to marry someone
they dont love...
It would be toallly cool...you can slapp her *** super duper hard and she wont be able to divoirce you ***..
IF get itred of spaning her ***...you just demote her into the fucken kitchem for clean up duties.lol
Marrry another wife to lighten thier loads...The hot young one in the bedroom...the torn up one in the kicten.LOL

Many of you dudes and gals
with challenge getting dates wishes you live in that society....Your pursuit of that first kiss or date would be resolved. LMAO

 

[blackhole]

Well...dudes

Its like...theres still parts in this world that men have wives by the Waazoooo.lol Its morallity andcuturrely acceptiable. And its still morally acceptiable to stone women to death.

And theres still arrange marriages.
Forcing someone to marry someone
they dont love...
It would be toallly cool...you can slapp her *** super duper hard and she wont be able to divoirce you ***..
IF get itred of spaning her ***...you just demote her into the fucken kitchem for clean up duties.lol
Marrry another wife to lighten thier loads...The hot young one in the bedroom...the torn up one in the kicten.LOL

Many of you dudes and gals
with challenge getting dates wishes you live in that society....Your pursuit of that first kiss or date would be resolved. LMAO

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