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That sounds really mean that they said those things. And about the whole "not being ready" thing, I don't see why a guy can't just give it some time. Chances are they aren't really ready either, they just might be denying it in an attempt to be "cool" and macho, like I was saying, because you don't want to be a "loser"/"gay"/"a *****"/etc.
But if you're just not ready, it's like, you're not rejecting them, they just need to give you some time - which if they really respect you and like/care about you as a person, they should be willing to do.

With women it's like, you don't want to give it away too easily - otherwise that says you're "low value", if you don't make a guy prove himself through being strong enough for you.
With guys it's like, you want to get it as quickly as possible - otherwise THAT says you're "low value", too weak and powerless and ineffectual to get a woman to give you what you want.
These "value" power games are so insulting to everyone, the social hierarchy is f'ed up, I wish we could evolve out of it and it would go away and we could just be any way we wanted to.
Yeah must make guys crawl through hot lava to get even a glance from princess Ceno (i joke) but there ya go.
 
Sometimes I wonder if I'd have been better off sticking to video games, alcohol and other distractions. For someone at this point in life self improvement can worsen depression by drawing attention to everything that's already been missed.

What has this actually got me other than putting off of chronic health conditions for a few more years. Plenty more time to look back with regrets I guess while I'm surrounded by the young people. There's a world of difference between early 30s and 40s.

I've been thinking about similar things lately.

As a kid, it didn't bother me as much that I wasn't "cool"/"popular". I mean, I didn't love it, I felt insulted and humiliated that I wasn't considered "cool" and I felt like it was ******** that others were considered "better" than me, just because of the dumb luck of the bodies, brains, and money they were born with. But I thought women just like ******** when they're younger, just like guys just like hot girls when they're younger. And I thought they would grow out of it, and I thought I would become a professional because I was slightly above average at school which I thought meant I was a "smart person", and one day the knowledge would just "click", I would just "know" what to say and do to get someone to like me. That, or someone would just like me randomly. I thought the stuff that made people attractive back in high school, would stop mattering, and that eventually someone actually would like me because I was nice, because it would be a breath of fresh air from all the fake, corny guys putting on an act trying to be "cool". Either way I wasn't worried because I thought the problem would solve itself on its own. Some guys were lucky and got it naturally right away, but I felt like I was one of those who just had to wait my turn. I didn't think I was out altogether, just that I had to wait longer than "the cool guys". But again, while I didn't love it, I still didn't feel like it was that bad, because "waiting" isn't "never", and I thought most people don't know what they're doing at a young age anyway, that these relationships were just based on shallow things like looks and money, and not personality, and that they weren't even real relationships. I thought I shouldn't worry about it anyway, I should just have focused on schoolwork and enjoying being a kid while I still was one, and all the things I liked back then. I thought I could worry about *** and relationships later, after I grew up, after I finished the path of "stay in school, stay out of trouble, get good grades, go to college, get a professional job". I didn't realize that following that path could leave me with "no personality" which would leave me stuck in singledom, and I didn't understand what was really meant by "personality" when people said that eventually personality would matter more than looks, when we all grew up.

It also didn't bother me as much that I wasn't good at anything. I thought it was just another interest like anything else. I thought sure, it's nice to have, but I thought it was an extra. I didn't know that it was basically a requirement. I thought I just wasn't born with the right genes to be good at anything, but I wasn't bothered by it because I thought I just had different interests so I didn't think it really mattered. And also, I used to think that I would be OK with just being a fan of things that other people were doing, but not doing anything myself. Now I realize that being good at something is exactly what a guy is supposed to do, that being active at something, doing something instead of just liking things that other people make or do, is a big part of what gives you a masculine identity, especially if you aren't macho. And that if I don't, it's like I'll have no life, no personality, like there won't even be much of a "me", like I'll have been some kind of machine or zombie - and I'm still afraid I can't do it because I worry I wasn't born with the right genes to have potential at anything.

Both of these realizations - that attraction will not work out on its own, and that I have to be good at something to be interesting and attractive, and I don't know if it's even possible for me - mean that I can't just blissfully tune the world out anymore. I was just thinking the other day that as a kid I used to daydream about Star Wars all the time, I used to have all these battles between Jedi and Sith, X-Wings and TIE Fighters in my head while the other kids were playing sports, doing various art forms, doing the things that I thought I couldn't do because I thought I wasn't born with it. And I thought of fandom stuff, while other kids worried about popularity and attraction - again, out of thinking there's nothing I can do, I'm not the right kind of person, I have to wait. But I haven't done that in a long time. I still like the fandoms that I used to, but I can't get lost in it, immersed in it like it used to. It doesn't make up for not having a life, like it used to, because I no longer feel like my problems will work out on my own if I just wait, and I've realized how important being good at something is, that it's not optional like I thought it was, but that I still don't know if I can do it.

Alcohol still works. If I drink enough, I get numb, and I don't care about anything except the next drink. But I always come back down to reality eventually. I know it's not much of an answer. Also what keeps me from just diving into alcohol is that it makes you gain weight, and I put a lot of time and effort into losing the weight I lost in these last three years or so, and I'd hate for it to have been all for nothing.

Basically, yeah. Just wanted to say I relate.
 
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For someone at this point in life self improvement can worsen depression by drawing attention to everything that's already been missed.
Depends on how you look at it.

You could look at the self-improvement as a way to evolve, to transform into something better than what you are currently. The phrase: Turning over a new leaf in life - comes to mind. And most importantly, to raise your quality of life. While you're here - would you rather be happy or be miserable?

Or you could look at it, negatively, as always, and see the glass as half-empty, dwell and commiserate on all that you didn't do in life.

There's always a choice in life, turn over a new leaf or resort back to old tendencies where that ship has long sailed.

the choice of course is yours.. :unsure:
 
Many of my last posts has put me into a sullen mood. I'm thinking I should go do something else. I have a jig to make for a step. Those floating laminate floors don't match up to stairs very well. It takes some creative fabricating.
 
Many of my last posts has put me into a sullen mood. I'm thinking I should go do something else. I have a jig to make for a step. Those floating laminate floors don't match up to stairs very well. It takes some creative fabricating.
I agree, its time to do something else. Sorry for being a turd before. There's just so much I disagree with and I think it has put me in a mood. Got to get some good juju going. Im about to fiddle with some floors myself.
 
Depends on how you look at it.

You could look at the self-improvement as a way to evolve, to transform into something better than what you are currently. The phrase: Turning over a new leaf in life - comes to mind. And most importantly, to raise your quality of life. While you're here - would you rather be happy or be miserable?

Or you could look at it, negatively, as always, and see the glass as half-empty, dwell and commiserate on all that you didn't do in life.

There's always a choice in life, turn over a new leaf or resort back to old tendencies where that ship has long sailed.

the choice of course is yours.. :unsure:
I don’t have the necessary archive of experiences and memories to move on with life, but I've said all that before.

A lot of people my age are miserable; Most are sedentary, and a large percentage are heavy drinkers/alcoholics. In the 5 years I’ve been gyming it I’ve seen less than a dozen people over 35 working out.
 
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I just don’t think I have the necessary archive of experiences and memories, and going out and trying to get some experience invariably brings me into contact with young people: 20 something guys who might treat me like an older brother, or (shudder!) a father figure if I tried to push myself into their circles. Cute young women I’m not supposed to be noticing any more. All paraded in front of my eyes. Really hard to ignore that and search out the positives.

A lot of people my age are miserable; Most are sedentary, and a large percentage are heavy drinkers/alcoholics. In 5 years I’ve been gyming it I’ve seen less than a dozen people over 35 working out.
Why does everything revert back to age with you?

Why do you let it consume your entire life force? The fixation on age is unsettling and bordering on disturbing.

If you walk around with such anger and resentment all of the time, you won't find anyone who will want to be around you. That goes for 20,30,40,50 year olds and on and on and on we go.

Even the kindest of people, will tire of hearing the constant complaints and negativity.

It's your life, you have always have a choice on what you do with it/how you live. You can let the past fester away at you til doomsday or you could try and make the best out of what you have. Ya know look at the bright side? Do you ever look at the bright side of life or situations? I can give you some if you can't find any out of your last response, if you want.

You are able to go workout. You are able to get up everyday - go to the gym and work out. Waking up with air in your lungs everyday is a good way to start practicing being a little grateful. Having gratitude for what you do have versus what you don't have.

I know this will fall on deaf ears, but just trying to help.

..edit: and you went back in and edited half your reply away - after I replied back to you.. c'mon dude lol
 
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Why does everything revert back to age with you?

Why do you let it consume your entire life force? The fixation on age is unsettling and bordering on disturbing.

If you walk around with such anger and resentment all of the time, you won't find anyone who will want to be around you. That goes for 20,30,40,50 year olds and on and on and on we go.

Even the kindest of people, will tire of hearing the constant complaints and negativity.

It's your life, you have always have a choice on what you do with it/how you live. You can let the past fester away at you til doomsday or you could try and make the best out of what you have. Ya know look at the bright side? Do you ever look at the bright side of life or situations? I can give you some if you can't find any out of your last response, if you want.

You are able to go workout. You are able to get up everyday - go to the gym and work out. Waking up with air in your lungs everyday is a good way to start practicing being a little grateful. Having gratitude for what you do have versus what you don't have.

I know this will fall on deaf ears, but just trying to help.

..edit: and you went back in and edited half your reply away - after I replied back to you.. c'mon dude lol
Did you ever watch Dazed and Confused? Remember the creepy Wooderson character? I’m like this, but stuck psychologically in my 20s instead of my teens. The people I want to socialize with are way younger than me. The women I fantasize about are now inappropriately young. Age is the issue because it restricts my ability to get what I want. It’s not that complicated.
 
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It’s not that complicated.
Neither is getting over yourself and doing something instead of just always making the same old tired excuses. But hey, it is what it is.

..edit: and you went back in and edited half your reply away - after I replied back to you.. c'mon dude lol
He always does that. It's quite annoying, isn't it? He often edits out insults.
 
Why does it even matter what other people your age are doing or not doing. That shouldn't have anything to with what age group you are attracted to. I think you are too worried about how you will be perceived. People make fun of women my age riding motorcycles...**** 'em. Seriously my man, if you want it you have to get it for you, only you.
 
Why does it even matter what other people your age are doing or not doing. That shouldn't have anything to with what age group you are attracted to. I think you are too worried about how you will be perceived. People make fun of women my age riding motorcycles...**** 'em. Seriously my man, if you want it you have to get it for you, only you.
It's combination of factors leading me to take such a dim view of my age/age group. If I asked a 25 year old out I'd be judged as a dirty old *******. That is a fact. Can't really hang around those people either, despite them living the lifestyle I still dream about. What's the solution, change what I want; want something I currently don't want? It's bizarre, the idea that someone could just move on while missing all experiences that would allow them to.
 
It's combination of factors leading me to take such a negative attitude. If I asked a 25 year old out I'd be judged as a dirty old *******. That is a fact. Evidence for that being here^ Guys who admit this sort of thing get torn to bits. Can't really hang around those people either, despite them living the lifestyle I still dream about. What's the solution, change what I want; want something I currently don't want. Accept middle age? It's bizarre, the idea that someone could just move on while missing all experiences that would allow them to.

I mean, I have an idea where you're coming from, and I've never held your posts against you. I think that it's only the truth to say that we don't feel like being positive all the time, especially when you're in despair, and that sometimes we need to vent.

But I feel like I have to agree with those saying that I think you worry too much on how you will be perceived. I probably do that to some extent as well but I've managed to relax about that more. I think as long as you make yourself presentable and have something interesting to talk about and to do, I think you will do fine. Maybe some women will treat you in an arrogant, stuck-up way - but they are just mean, and they would be mean to anyone anyway, except the guys they've already made their minds up are the only ones they'd give time of day to. But that's not your fault.

And I think overworrying can become a self-fulfilling prophecy - like worrying too much about how you're perceived, could ironically get you perceived in exactly the way you don't want to be, because in your nervousness, you might slip up and make a mistake that causes a bad impression - one that didn't need to be, if you weren't as stressed out.

How do you know for sure, that it is a fact, that you will be judged as a dirty old *******?

I think that sure, there are some nasty judgmental people out there, but I also think you might be worrying a bit too much and it's causing the very thing you want to avoid.
 
Wish I knew what it was like to be a man, looks sooo fun watching you all on Mars from planet Venus.

No periods
No childbirth
No one calling you sluts
No random nipple pains
No one trying to sneak a peek up your skirts
Can walk around topless in peace
If you abandon your kids its simply “as expected”

I’m sure its just a grass is greener thing, but its like can you guys have the periods please? Like i’ll swap that with whatever you want 😂🙈
For the record. I'm damn glad that I'm a man. I would NOT want to be a woman. BTW you forgot to mention guys putting their things inside of you. YUCK!!!!! Did he clean that thing before we started?!?!?
 
I mean, I have an idea where you're coming from, and I've never held your posts against you. I think that it's only the truth to say that we don't feel like being positive all the time, especially when you're in despair, and that sometimes we need to vent.

But I feel like I have to agree with those saying that I think you worry too much on how you will be perceived. I probably do that to some extent as well but I've managed to relax about that more. I think as long as you make yourself presentable and have something interesting to talk about and to do, I think you will do fine. Maybe some women will treat you in an arrogant, stuck-up way - but they are just mean, and they would be mean to anyone anyway, except the guys they've already made their minds up are the only ones they'd give time of day to. But that's not your fault.

And I think overworrying can become a self-fulfilling prophecy - like worrying too much about how you're perceived, could ironically get you perceived in exactly the way you don't want to be, because in your nervousness, you might slip up and make a mistake that causes a bad impression - one that didn't need to be, if you weren't as stressed out.

How do you know for sure, that it is a fact, that you will be judged as a dirty old *******?

I think that sure, there are some nasty judgmental people out there, but I also think you might be worrying a bit too much and it's causing the very thing you want to avoid.
I mean, even I judged like that in the past whenever I saw a large age gap relationship. The real desire is to BE in that age group, not be some old dude trying to deal with his midlife crisis via a younger partner. Unless the rules of physics can be suspended and it's 2005 again I don’t see any way forward from this. Truth is I already knew what the issue was ten years ago just after the responsibility with family ended. Getting ‘out there’ and finding I couldn’t relate to anyone near my age just confirmed what I already knew.
 
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