If your your an average guy, things suck, and theres nothing you can do

[TropicalStarfish]

It's certainly lacking discussions of greater intellectual value as of late.

Quite so.

 

[ardour]

So what you’re actually saying, like several other men in this forum would be, is that you’re not average at all, but below average. This whole thread was trying to say that the average guy hasn’t a chance to fix his sucky life, but in fact, it’s actually about guys who consider themselves below average and can’t seem to get what the “average” guys, or even above average guys get. Well, guess what? Life isn’t fair. You make the best of it the best way you can. If you’re desperate enough, you’ll make the compromises and changes you need to better your chances to acquire such things, but there are no guarantees in life except that you’ll eventually die, like I wish this thread would.

What he's actually saying is that what he assumes is his looksmatch doesn't want him. Bit different. You're straw manning, basically, to fit the statements into a preconceived idea.

Some of us are choosey though, correct.

 

[okidoke]

……You're straw manning, basically, to fit the statements into a preconceived idea……

I don’t think so.

 

[Adamridge79]

So much to read...but I'm at least average in some aspects. Maybe more. But, I just lack the confidence I had when younger. If I could find some of that again, I'm sure some females would like talking to me. It's on me, not them

 

[Rvanson]

A year later? Maybe she changed jobs.

Douthful. Most women who are doing a man's work are unlikely to move up in life. The young waitress at the small coffee shop gave me a look of compassion, after this woman dropped me like a hot rock. I'll never forget her sorrow at how I was rudely treated by this lying woman. When I went to get the delivery signed for, she could not even look me in the eyes, as she never expected to see me again.

 

[Rvanson]

lol, so now that women can fend for themselves, all those lowly men have a big sook about it. Yeah righto. How many of those well to do blokes back before 1960 chose “ugly” women who might have been good at keeping house, bearing children etc etc. A female’s worth is a lot more than her femininity dude.

Don't forget cooking. All the older women in my extended family were very good at cooking, including my own mother. Nowadays I've heard that young women cannot even do that, as well or at all.. My paternal grandmother could even make Ravioli from scratch. Meaning she knew what wives were expected to do, just as husbands were meant to bring home the bacon by working hard days making bread (money) to support the family.

 

[TropicalStarfish]

nm

 

[user 135671]

Look, this whole thread is trying to argue that average guys can't do anything about their sucky lives, which is a load of self-pitying bollocks.

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head fella, I'd say it's not just what this thread is about but the whole forum nowadays. It's a shame there were a load of good people here, there still are a few, most of them have either buggered off or post less and less.

 

[Unsigned]

You'd think this forum only had about 4 or so sexually frustrated men

Not sure if I am to be included in the group you define, but I would say I am emotionally frustrated.

And could use someone around for cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc.. too.

 

[Rvanson]

It is all cool. I spend much more time on my hidden, off-the-grid MGTOW forum. I also help out a certain brand of US automaker's owners, since I know a lot about how vehicles operate and I know how to repair them, as I studied to be an automotive technician years ago.

I will not ever marry a woman, as they have stabbed themselves in the back years ago with feminism 1, 2, 3, and now going on four. I am a man and if they don't like that fact, I could care less, as I love being born a man. I actually feel a bit of pity for the female gender, having to have periods; hot flashes; using makeup; hairstyles, and seductive body language just to attract a man.

I treat women fine, and I know that they have been inducted into a system that harms them, not helps them. If they wish to work, then work, but don't expect a husband who wanted children to like that very much, when the wife should be at home taking care of
the kids, not sending them to daycare. Be a real mother to your children, ladies.

They have made the courts believe everything they claim, often perjuring themselves. No woman will ever receive a dime from me as what they have between their legs no longer
matters to me at all, and I also know that "love" doesn't last all that long between the genders. I was harmed as a child by females. I am an adult now and that will never, ever
occur again.

I'd have made a good husband to a good woman, but they ended that long ago, and it's far too late now.

 

[TheRealCallie]

This thread was ridiculous when it started and it has only gotten worse. It is ENTIRELY about blaming others. Anyone else you want to blame for whatever issues you have? Actually, is there anyone else left to blame aside from yourselves?

 

[user 139760]

This thread was ridiculous when it started and it has only gotten worse. It is ENTIRELY about blaming others. Anyone else you want to blame for whatever issues you have? Actually, is there anyone else left to blame aside from yourselves?

Global warming.
If you really think about it, the rapid increases and decreases in temperatures have totally imbalanced women's hormonal levels, making them entitled and judgmental in not giving lower status men a chance and seeking the best suitable mates for them. Which they clearly shouldn't.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[TheRealCallie]

Global warming.

No, I think global warming was blamed in another thread. I could be wrong and don't feel like fact checking myself, but I believe it was blamed for lower testosterone...and obviously, no woman wants a guy with lower testosterone.

 

[user 139760]

No, I think global warming was blamed in another thread. I could be wrong and don't feel like fact checking myself, but I believe it was blamed for lower testosterone...and obviously, no woman wants a guy with lower testosterone.

A lower testosterone woman probably would, though.

 

[sub5male]

So much to read...but I'm at least average in some aspects. Maybe more. But, I just lack the confidence I had when younger. If I could find some of that again, I'm sure some females would like talking to me. It's on me, not them

The dating scene has radically changed in the past 5-10 years and the truth is that average men just lack sufficient heightfidence and/or faceinality. As the saying goes, in regards to men average is the new ugly.

 

[okidoke]

The dating scene has radically changed in the past 5-10 years and the truth is that average men just lack sufficient heightfidence and/or faceinality. As the saying goes, in regards to men average is the new ugly.

No! The below average man only!

 

[Unsigned]

Life sucks and we're going to die. Live a little.

I agree 100% with that.
Here's what did this weekend.

Saturday:
- booked a Chinese grad student/model/part time escort for 1 hour
- met 5 friends for dinner & drinks at one of Manhattan's best steak houses
- went to a couple of bars, where another of our friends joined us
- got home late

Sunday:
- rested & recovered from hangover

Monday (today - it's now a holiday for some reason):
- booked an extremely cute Japanese escort for 1 hour
- had late lunch and a large bottle of sake at a Korean restaurant (had the Gopchang Jjigae)
- stopped off for a Gin Martini at Cipriani's before catching the train home.

I "lived a little" this long weekend.
And I'll get up and workout early tomorrow morning.
Sake and 1 Martini will not lay me out.

 

[TropicalStarfish]

I agree 100% with that.
Here's what did this weekend.

Saturday:
- booked a Chinese grad student/model/part time escort for 1 hour
- met 5 friends for dinner & drinks at one of Manhattan's best steak houses
- went to a couple of bars, where another of our friends joined us
- got home late

Sunday:
- rested & recovered from hangover

Monday (today - it's now a holiday for some reason):
- booked an extremely cute Japanese escort for 1 hour
- had late lunch and a large bottle of sake at a Korean restaurant (had the Gopchang Jjigae)
- stopped off for a Gin Martini at Cipriani's before catching the train home.

I "lived a little" this long weekend.
And I'll get up and workout early tomorrow morning.
Sake and 1 Martini will not lay me out.

You lived a hell of a lot more than I do. I mostly just bullshit around on these forums and do this or that, around the house... heh.

I smoked some pot in my dreams last night though! Maybe that counts!? lol

Cheers mang.

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I talk a big game, on the forums; and, I do have experience behind certain areas of knowledge. But, the life and living part? I think for me, fear is the biggest hindrance; and I think it's the same for a lot of struggling men. I'm not one to do the following myself; but, it's easy to play off misfortune as being because, "I'm a nice guy and nice guys finish last." Or to get caught up in being, 'a victim of circumstance.' Men aren't nice, generally. Neither are women for that matter. We're all pretty cruel and unusual creatures at one point or another, hopefully not too often; but, we are. We have our good side and our bad side. But, we all generally have our, 'hang-ups,' and our, 'fears,' too. And we have the cards we are dealt, and we have how we play them. More on that later...

Quiet types, especially, will struggle. Because, a big part of what our culture represents to us as, 'living,' or, 'success,' is within the domain of the socio-sexual circuit. And within that domain, there is unavoidable competition, and unavoidable risk that must be taken. Getting up on stage to sing some drunk karaoke for example, takes a bit of gumption; but it's a lively, in the moment sort of thing (generally, within moderation). Luckily booze can help with that. Overcoming prejudices, preconceived notions, or small-mindedness, is tough too; luckily there are mind expanding drugs for that (though they are largely still frowned upon and illegal.) And besides those sorts of routes, you have the old, and worn paths of: mysticism, divination, prayer/meditation, religious/philosophical traditions, fasting, abstinence, or the hanging up-side-down from a tree branch for 12 hours, sort of weird places people will take themselves some times, counseling, therapy, psycho-analysis, and all that sort of thing, to reach a new level of consciousness and realization. And some times it's as simple as just having new and varied experiences, or physically being somewhere else for a while. That's why people go on, 'retreats,' and things of that nature, or, 'vacations,' or, 'backpacking through Europe,' or, 'moving to a new state/country, extended out of town stays, etc..) So, there are those aspects, and how they relate to hang-ups and the attempt to overcome them.

So, there are all sorts of things one can want out of life. And then there is the hand you are dealt. And then there is how you play it. I see poker players do it all the time, even good ones. They'll loose out big, and blame cheating, or call the player names, or really just act like total pricks (even if they are acting, as part of their deception ploy, to win; it's still in poor taste, and unnecessary, IMO. I'd rather loose, than have to put on a believable act that I'm an as*hole; but, that's me (though maybe I'm just bullsh*tting myself?)). When the truth, the majority of the time is: they lost to a worse player, because of luck. IMO, a truly good poker player, isn't necessarily the best at the game. A true player, is a gentleman, under all circumstances. That doesn't mean he's a push-over. It means, he's a (or she, etc..), a, 'good sport.' They know, "it's a game." They don't wager more than they can afford to lose, and if they do make that mistake, they own it, and work to get back to the good place. And they learn from the mistake, so they don't have to repeat it.

So, that's my bullsh*t talk. But, beyond the bullsh*t. I think a lot of us are afraid. So we come up with excuses, reasons, and rationalizations to not face those fears. It's really, really difficult, some times, for some people, to approach a member of the opposite sex and ask them out for coffee, or to tell a friend you have more than friendship feelings for them, or to leave a difficult relationship, or to change jobs, or to start all over again, or to get out there and dance, or to sing, or risk making a fool of yourself. That list could go on and on. And that's okay too, to a certain degree. It's part of the game. It's, 'the fox and the grapes.' We all bullsh*t others and ourselves, from time to time, to varying degrees.

But, don't confuse the bullsh*t for reality/Truth. Bullsh*t around sure; but, the point is, not to get so caught up in your own bullsh*t, you forget, or don't recognize it as bullsh*t anymore. It ain't gold and silver. It's poppycock. heh.

 

[Unsigned]

You lived a hell of a lot more than I do. I mostly just bullshit around on these forums and do this or that, around the house... heh.

I smoked some pot in my dreams last night though! Maybe that counts!? lol

Cheers mang.

----

I talk a big game, on the forums; and, I do have experience behind certain areas of knowledge. But, the life and living part? I think for me, fear is the biggest hindrance; and I think it's the same for a lot of struggling men. I'm not one to do the following myself; but, it's easy to play off misfortune as being because, "I'm a nice guy and nice guys finish last." Or to get caught up in being, 'a victim of circumstance.' Men aren't nice, generally. Neither are women for that matter. We're all pretty cruel and unusual creatures at one point or another, hopefully not too often; but, we are. We have our good side and our bad side. But, we all generally have our, 'hang-ups,' and our, 'fears,' too. And we have the cards we are dealt, and we have how we play them. More on that later...

Quiet types, especially, will struggle. Because, a big part of what our culture represents to us as, 'living,' or, 'success,' is within the domain of the socio-sexual circuit. And within that domain, there is unavoidable competition, and unavoidable risk that must be taken. Getting up on stage to sing some drunk karaoke for example, takes a bit of gumption; but it's a lively, in the moment sort of thing (generally, within moderation). Luckily booze can help with that. Overcoming prejudices, preconceived notions, or small-mindedness, is tough too; luckily there are mind expanding drugs for that (though they are largely still frowned upon and illegal.) And besides those sorts of routes, you have the old, and worn paths of: mysticism, divination, prayer/meditation, religious/philosophical traditions, fasting, abstinence, or the hanging up-side-down from a tree branch for 12 hours, sort of weird places people will take themselves some times, to reach a new level of consciousness and realization. And some times it's as simple as just having new and varied experiences, or physically being somewhere else for a while. That's why people go on, 'retreats,' and things of that nature, or, 'vacations,' or, 'backpacking through Europe,' or, 'moving to a new state/country, etc..) So, there are those aspects, and how they relate to hang-ups and the attempt to overcome them.

So, there are all sorts of things one can want out of life. And then there is the hand you are dealt. And then there is how you play it. I see poker players do it all the time, even good ones. They'll loose out big, and blame cheating, or call the player names, or really just act like total pricks (even if they are acting, as part of their deception ploy, to win; it's still in poor taste, and unnecessary, IMO. I'd rather loose, than have to put on a believable act that I'm an as*hole; but, that's me (though maybe I'm just bullsh*tting myself?)). When the truth, the majority of the time is: they lost to a worse player, because of luck. IMO, a truly good poker player, isn't necessarily the best at the game. A true player, is a gentleman, under all circumstances. That doesn't mean he's a push-over. It means, he's a (or she, etc..), a, 'good sport.' They know, "it's a game." They don't wager more than they can afford to lose, and if they do make that mistake, they own it, and work to get back to the good place. And they learn from the mistake, so they don't have to repeat it.

So, that's my bullsh*t talk. But, beyond the bullsh*t. I think a lot of us are afraid. So we come up with excuses, reasons, and rationalizations to not face those fears. And that's okay too, to a certain degree. It's part of the game. It's, 'the fox and the grapes.' We all bullsh*t others and ourselves, from time to time, to varying degrees.

But, don't confuse the bullsh*t for reality/Truth. Bullsh*t around sure; but, the point is, not to get so caught up in your own bullsh*t, you forget, or don't recognize it as bullsh*t anymore. It ain't gold and silver. It's poppycock. heh.

This is a great post and I agree.
I come here to complain about things. Often when I am drunk, or grouchy from a hangover.
And yeah, when one complains, one comes off as a complainer (or a "whinger" for our UK friends).
I posted a response here a week or two ago that stated the truth about my issues with loneliness.
I'm alone (without a permanent female companion) because I have a very narrow window regarding the females I am willing to consider.
And that's totally on me.
And when I am able to think clearly, I know that it's the way it has to be.
The alternative would mean me be resentful and nasty and making some poor woman miserable (as well as myself) because I really want someone else that matches my admittedly warped ideals.

Hey, the last 3 days weren't so bad.
Not much to complain about today.
Have a great week and try to do something that makes you happy tomorrow!

 

[TropicalStarfish]

This is a great post and I agree.
I come here to complain about things. Often when I am drunk, or grouchy from a hangover.
And yeah, when one complains, one comes off as a complainer (or a "whinger" for our UK friends).
I posted a response here a week or two ago that stated the truth about my issues with loneliness.
I'm alone (without a permanent female companion) because I have a very narrow window regarding the females I am willing to consider.
And that's totally on me.
And when I am able to think clearly, I know that it's the way it has to be.
The alternative would mean me be resentful and nasty and making some poor woman miserable (as well as myself) because I really want someone else that matches my admittedly warped ideals.

Hey, the last 3 days weren't so bad.
Not much to complain about today.
Have a great week and try to do something that makes you happy tomorrow!

Everyday is a new beginning, heh. Thnx, you too.