VanillaCreme
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I don't get the whole feminist thing. What's that about? People can't ask women out nowdays or what?
VanillaCreme said:I don't get the whole feminist thing. What's that about? People can't ask women out nowdays or what?
VanillaCreme said:We're not supposed to get in life just because we're "nice" ... You do right in life, and do what you feel is right, and do for others because it's the right thing to do. Not because you expect something for it. Perhaps it's because I don't have jealousy in me, but I really don't understand it. And what I don't get even more are those people who try to intentionally make you envy something they have or that someone else has. Nothing's guaranteed to us. But just because you don't get something in the time frame you thought, doesn't mean it will never happen.
I don't think you should be anyone or anything but yourself, but at the same time, don't expect all your dreams to come true because of it. Definitely work on yourself for you, and not for the ideal that someone will be guaranteed to you. I think we'd be better off if we concentrated on ourselves more, over worrying about how others think of us.
VanillaCreme said:I don't get the whole feminist thing. What's that about? People can't ask women out nowdays or what?
Red_Wedding_Casualty said:I get that approaching the opposite *** is just as terrifying for women. Even more so, from what I've seen. A while ago, made a fake female profile on OKcupid. I never had time to finish the profile. Not even a minute after uploading a few pictures, I had 8 likes, 2 messages. Within an hour, 40 likes, 15 messages. In 24 hours, 50 messages. 240 likes. I deleted the profile soon afterwards. Even as a guy. The overbearing attention my profile got from overbearing men actually made me feel uncomfortable. But I can imagine how frightening it must be for an actual female to face this down on the daily. Which is why I've resolved to follow the feminist guidelines. If I keep myself in a state of constant stoicism, and keep my desires suppressed, then maybe I might appear to be less terrifying, and more approachable. Hell, it worked for my workmate. And he didn't need to embark on the journey of self-improvement that I did.
Red_Wedding_Casualty said:Well, like Paraiyar said: Going into detail might get somebody into trouble. Hell, I'm surprised I don't have a warning level just for mentioning it in my opening post. I'll say this though. I've always been afraid of approaching women. Most likely, I always will be. Everyone has that one insurmountable hurdle in their lives. For me, this is one of them. As far as the feminist angle goes, there is a large movement that would have guys just shut up and stand aside. That movement is growing larger. Given what I (think) I've learnt about people and the world, maybe I might do some good by complying. Or at least, I'll prevent myself from doing wrong.
ardour said:We're considered responsible for our own happiness in this area; women don’t need to be to the same degree because there’s usually so many ‘takers’ willing to accept their foibles ( an admittedly a large number of creeps they have to deal with).
VanillaCreme said:Women aren't better off just because of **** and ******s.
AmytheTemperamental said:VanillaCreme said:Women aren't better off just because of **** and ******s.
I disagree. My ****** hurting has never made me fall over and made me want to throw up.
ardour said:I’m sort similar in this attitude. It’s fine if you’re looking for more friends, not that that’s worthless, actually it’s welcome, but it doesn’t mean they’ll be attracted to you after growing more comfortable. And with acquaintances, unless the interest is somehow clear, which it never is, there’s the predicament: say something which will very likely make her uncomfortable and risk being viewed a certain way… or don’t and be dismissed as a coward. If by small chance they might have been interested you’ll probably have already been judged for having ‘waited too long’ (wanting to know someone first relegates one to the ranks of insidious Nice Guys).
We're considered responsible for our own happiness in this area; women don’t need to be to the same degree because there’s usually so many ‘takers’ willing to accept their foibles ( an admittedly a large number of creeps they have to deal with).
No offence intended but at a guess, like me, you might not be all that much to look at, so the only advice I have is to do some self-improvement there as much as it’s possible.
VanillaCreme said:It's not a game. I think that's mistake number one for many people.
Red_Wedding_Casualty said:VanillaCreme said:It's not a game. I think that's mistake number one for many people.
How exactly would you have me view it then? Because as it is, viewing the whole courting and dating process as a game has made it easy for me to swallow that cement and take myself away from the equation?
Most of the time that is.
AmytheTemperamental said:Not even if you realized they were dull, had nothing in common with you and seemed desperate and stalkerish?
Serenia said:If you are playing it as a game, you surely can't be being yourself. So then women may feel they are picking up a strange vibe that something is not quite right.
TheRealCallie said:It's not really rocket science. If you're interested in something, you inquire about it politely. That's true for anything, whether it's dating or the car with a for sale sign in it down the street. In dating, you ask them out, they say yes or no, you move on accordingly, depending on the answer.
People have to throw in all this ******** into dating that doesn't belong there. There are no leagues, there are no games for the majority of people. The only time leagues come into play is when someone has low self esteem or a big *** ******* ego and they think they are better than other people (which they aren't). The only time games come into play is again the big *** ego or *******/*********s.
Red_Wedding_Casualty said:TheRealCallie said:It's not really rocket science. If you're interested in something, you inquire about it politely. That's true for anything, whether it's dating or the car with a for sale sign in it down the street. In dating, you ask them out, they say yes or no, you move on accordingly, depending on the answer.
People have to throw in all this ******** into dating that doesn't belong there. There are no leagues, there are no games for the majority of people. The only time leagues come into play is when someone has low self esteem or a big *** ******* ego and they think they are better than other people (which they aren't). The only time games come into play is again the big *** ego or *******/*********s.
I've been clicking my fingers as I try and comprehend how the concept of dating can be as simple as the act of a finger snap. I've clicked my fingers raw, and you know what? I can't do it. For 10 years, I've taught myself to think in leagues and games as far as the concept of dating goes. I've thankfully never acted on any of this, so maybe I have my restraint going for me. Still, like you said: People that think like that either have horrible self esteem, or are egotistical *********s. I guess, after all is considered, I'm a ********* with bad self esteem?
But give me alittle credit though. At least I'm a self-aware *********. And one that's getting exactly what he deserves.......
TheRealCallie said:I don't know you well enough to say whether you are a ********* or not, perhaps you are, but I don't know that and wasn't saying that at all. If you feel there are leagues, perhaps you just have low self esteem.
Very few things in life are simple. Of course dating and relationships aren't simple, however, if you don't try, you will most likely not get anything/anyone. It's your life, it's your beliefs, do what you feel is right for you and your ideologies. I'm just saying what I think about the matter.
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